Luke Pighetti and Casey Rogers
Ship Fam - Indie Enterpeneurship, App Dev, Flutter and more!
Luke is a professional frontend engineer building a portfolio of indie apps and developer tools. Casey is an ex Google/Firebase backend engineer breaking into indie app development with the viral sports trivia app "Dribble Game Trivia". Each episode we bring on a new guest from the Build In Public community to learn from their bootstrap journey! We cover everything from TikTok content strategies to ASO to building an algorithmic newsfeed on serverless SAAS.Join us on our journey and learn along with us as we bootstrap and ship our way to financial freedom with Flutter and friends!
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Luke Pighetti and Casey Rogers
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Dec 5, 2025
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Episodes
Ship Fam: Return Of The Fam 05.12.2025 55:45
We're back! And we're off the cuff. Luke visited me in NYC and we recorded an off the cuff in person episode. It's like we never left! Topics: - React Native vs Flutter pros and cons - Is Flutter cooked? - New York homeless and Hot Pot - Rivers Cuomo Link outs: ZenRouter https://www.youtube.com/@MarcusNg
Update Episode - Coming Back BETTER, FASTER, STRONGER 04.10.2024 1:44
Hey all! Sorry for the long gap between episodes. This is a quick update letting you know what Luke and I are planning for the pod. Here's the TLDR: We're taking a long break while I move out to New York and take a Senior Flutter Engineer position with Betterment, but we'll be back next month. We're going to be coming back in the same feed (so stay subscribed!) but with a rebrand and production va...
Luke's Crack App 21.08.2024 45:11
Luke challenged himself to build an app for his young nieces over a family reunion. Hear about what he built and how it was so addicting his extended family dubbed it "Luke's Crack App"! https://kidmoji.app/ https://x.com/luke_pighetti https://x.com/caseycrogers
Is Flutter Web Viable Now? and Luke's PWA "Vibe Check" Projects 06.08.2024 34:34
This episode is a Luke update where he talks about the Flutter WASM based PWAs (Progressive Web App) he's been building to "vibe check" ideas that come to him and the new ultra-lightweight analytics service he built (and has now published)! Check out the projects mentioned: https://struggleswitch.com/ https://unfck.app/ https://lukehog.com/
Outdoors Apps with Coding Marine 01.08.2024 50:40
Luke and I talk to Mike Jones (AKA CodingMarine) about his set of outdoors focused Flutter apps! https://dontforgetthespoon.com/ https://www.dontforgettheweather.com/ https://twitter.com/codingMarine
Anatomy of a Banger App (Umax case study) 30.07.2024 48:35
Luke walks through his methodology for analyzing successful consumer apps and applies to the viral multi-million ARR "Umax" looks maxing app! https://apps.apple.com/us/app/umax-become-hot/id6471026798 https://www.hf0.com/ https://twitter.com/caseycrogers https://twitter.com/luke_pighetti/
What Feels "Native"? - Interview With Matan on Flutter Rendering 19.07.2024 57:21
We interviewed Matan Lurey-and Engineer working on Impeller on the Flutter team! We talked to him about the decisions and underlying mechanics driving Flutter, the current state of Flutter shader development, what makes Flutter feel more or less "native", and more! Links: https://x.com/MatanLurey https://x.com/algebrandon (Flutter 3D shader demos) https://docs.flutter.dev/ui/design/graph...
Interview With Sebastian, the Indie Hacker Behind HabitKit! 10.07.2024 35:42
On today's episode, we bring on Sebastian and talk about his indie journey from new grad to six figure ARR with HabitKit! Links: https://x.com/SebastianRoehl https://www.habitkit.app/
Flutter Leadership and Package Ecosystem 05.07.2024 41:14
Luke and Casey discuss The Dart/Flutter package ecosystem and Flutter's seeming lack of top down leadership or publicly communicated vision. Flutter Packages: https://pub.dev/packages/hotspot https://pub.dev/packages/salomon_bottom_bar https://pub.dev/packages/flutter_gutter Kevmoo's Pure Drat Listenable/ValueNotifier initiative: https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/149466
Stories From the Trenches: Software Engineering Interviews 27.06.2024 34:02
Casey and Luke swap their software engineering interview stories! https://x.com/luke_pighetti https://x.com/caseycrogers
Counterintuitive App Dev Tricks THEY Don't Want You To Know 12.06.2024 40:14
Luke and I discuss why and how engineers are so bad at predicting user behavior and share some counterintuitive tips and tricks we've learned for predicting user behavior and making money off indie apps! https://x.com/caseycrogers https://x.com/luke_pighetti
Casey Is Selling Out (Dribble Game Pt 3, EU/Acc, and the CEO of RIzz) 22.05.2024 56:48
One month ago we set goals for Casey's viral NBA trivia app "Dribble Game". Through ASO and funnel optimization, we were going to 5x it from $100 daily revenue to $500. Hear how it went! Spoiler alert: Casey is now job hunting. We also chat about viral Zoomer social apps, the CEO of RIzz, LevelsIO's "EU acceleration" and more! There's a whole heck of a lot packed in...
"eXtreme Go Horse" and Why Experienced Engineers Do Everything Wrong (TM) 30.04.2024 35:36
Luke and I riff on "eXtreme Go Horse", a Brazilian coding style we discovered through a youtube video by the Primeagen. We discuss how experienced engineers so often engage in "bad" practices that beginner engineers are trained to avoid and share instructive and entertaining stories from our respective careers in tech. Extreme Go Horse: https://medium.com/@dekaah/22-axioms-of-t...
Luke Solo Ep - Thenics Pro Status update 16.04.2024 15:20
Casey is traveling back from Europe to the land of the free and the home of the brave so this week's episode is a solo episode with Luke giving a status update on his newly launched calisthenics app "Thenics Pro". Hear about App Store app pre-orders, ads for ASO and gauging product-market fit. https://thenicspro.com/ https://twitter.com/luke_pighetti
Luke walks away from his six figure salary 11.04.2024 42:32
Luke talks about: the solar eclipse, quitting his job at tonal, and the "Waffle House" top-of-funnel experiment that he's currently running with this new exercise app, Thenics Pro. Download Thenics Pro: https://thenicspro.com/ Follow Luke and Casey on Twitter: https://twitter.com/luke_pighetti https://twitter.com/caseycrogers
Dart Code Metrics - Monetizing Client Side Tools and The Downsides of Open Source Software 05.04.2024 37:19
We brought on Dmitry Zhifarsky to talk about his premium Dart/Flutter analysis tool "Dart Code Metrics". We focus on the downsides to open source software and the challenges of monetizing client-side software. Check out DCM and Dmitry's Twitter here: https://dcm.dev/ https://twitter.com/_incendial Follow Luke and Casey on Twitter: https://twitter.com/luke_pighetti https://twitter.com...
Dribble Game and Financial Independence - pt 2. 28.03.2024 50:45
This is a follow up to last week's episode on Dribble Game-Casey's viral NBA trivia app. This week's episode focuses on ASO and paywall optimization strategies that Casey got from an app audit with Steve Young from the app consultant firm App Masters. Over the next month Casey intends to implement these ideas and 5-10x Dribble Game's revenue. We'll have a followup episode in Ma...
A Viral Trivia App and Financial Independence - pt 1. 21.03.2024 37:10
Casey talks about Dribble Game Trivia, the viral basketball trivia app he built in Flutter with Taylor Stein. The app reached #23 for Trivia on the App Store and has taken Casey 20% of the way to "ramen profitable". Listen to this episode to hear about how he's gotten there and then tune in to part 2 next week to hear about the ASO and monetization audit AppMasters did on Dribble and...
Building a Privacy First Budgeting App with Brandon Trautmann 13.03.2024 48:00
Luke and Casey talk to Brandon Trautmann, a Flutter engineer at personal finance startup Betterment. Inspired by #buildinpublic on Twitter, Brandon launched "Lumy", a data-centric companion for the home budgeting app "YNAB". He talks about launching his first indie app, building an all-local privacy first Flutter stack, and more! You can check out Lumy and Brandon here: https:/...
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