Secrets of the Better Halves

Minutes after completing this episode, our hosts entered our virtual "Green Room" and reflected on what they said, what they learned, and how they felt about the episode. We invite you to share our podcast, click "follow" so you don't miss an episode, and follow us on social media. For more information about our hosts and this podcast, visit www. SecretsoftheBetterHalves.com

You don't just wake up one day and become a better half. Partners face tough choices and compromises, with feelings of both regret and blessings. In their 38 years together, Jennifer Granholm and our co-host Dan Mulhern have lived an extraordinary life together. On their first date, Jennifer brought a list of questions to learn if a relationship with Dan was worth pursuing. Needless to say, Dan pa...

Minutes after completing this episode, our hosts entered our virtual "Green Room" and reflected on what they said, what they learned, and how they felt about the episode. We invite you to share our podcast, click "follow" so you don't miss an episode, and follow us on social media. For more information about our hosts and this podcast, visit www. SecretsoftheBetterHalves.com

On Election Night 2016, Dan Mulhern and Markos Kounalakis had a chance encounter on a New York City rooftop. There, they discovered their commonalities and made a connection. Both are married to prominent political wives, Jennifer Granholm and Eleni Kounalakis, and both share the unique position of being the "number two" to wives who are out-front in the public eye. In this episode, we pull back t...

What happens when you find your better half, work with them, fall in love, and then suddenly a bomb strikes? That's what happened to one of our co-hosts, Debbie Phillips. In this episode, Debbie shares her journey of finding, working with, loving, and losing her better half with co-hosts Dan Mulhern and Markos Kounalakis. We invite you to share our podcast, click "follow" so you don't miss an epis...

"The After Show" is where we go to exhale after interviewing our guests. Hear what our hosts felt about the conversation, what surprised them the most, and what's their biggest takeaway.

Doctors John and Judy Gottman wrote the book on marriage, literally dozens of them! The world-renowned marriage therapists lead The Gottman Institute, whose mission is to help people create and maintain greater love and health in their relationships. In this episode, we put the Gottman's in the patient's chair and see how they make their own relationship work. What is the secret to a long lasting...

"The After Show" is where we go to exhale after interviewing our guests. Hear what our hosts felt about the conversation, what surprised them the most, and what's their biggest takeaway.

Our podcast is all about partnerships and how those in the public eye make their partnership work. Jennifer Siebel Newsom carries many titles: the First Partner of California, award-winning filmmaker, advocate, and mother. Jennifer admits life is "a dance." So we were curious, how does she take on all those roles and manage to be a better half to California Governor Gavin Newsom? In this episode,...

"The After Show" is where we go to exhale after interviewing our guests. Hear what our hosts felt about the conversation, what surprised them the most, and what's their biggest takeaway.

It's an episode of firsts. Our first podcast, with the first Second Gentleman of the United States, who's the spouse of the first woman vice president of the U.S. Doug Emhoff has an important yet unique role, from supporting his partner in her job, sharing the priorities of the Biden-Harris Administration, to championing issues that are close to his heart.  In this episode, we pull back the curtai...

About Our Hosts Dan Mulhern is an author, professor and executive coach, who helps his clients lead their organizations and each other, as better halves. Dan’s better half is Jennifer Granholm, former two-term Governor of Michigan and now U.S. Energy Secretary. Debbie Phillips is a pioneering life and executive coach who founded Women on Fire to support women leaders. She lost her better half, Rob...