Noah Evslin and Dan Rutstein
Screaming into the Hollywood Abyss
Behind the glitz and glamor, Hollywood can be brutal. For every success, there are many more rejections and failures. Screaming into the Hollywood Abyss explores that world and each week a new guest will talk about dealing with rejection, failure and adversity in the entertainment industry. Writer Noah Evslin and podcaster Dan Rutstein ask the questions.
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Noah Evslin and Dan Rutstein
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Jul 9, 2026
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Episodes
Take 155 - Executive producer, director Minkie Spiro, All Her Fault, 3 Body Problem, Rat Women 09.07.2026 49:22
We have the remarkable Minkie Spiro on the show. Heavily Emmy nominated for All Her Fault, she talks about her start in documentaries, the family disapproval of her career choices and what she learned on Holby City. We talk about being pissed on by rats and what that teaches you about life, she uses some great British phrases and we discuss award shows. We talk Downton Abbey, 3 Body Problem and sh...
Take 154 - Showrunner and Creator Craig Gerber, Sofia the First, Elena of Avalor 22.05.2026 44:44
A true fairytale today as we talk to Craig Gerber, creator of Disney princess shows galore. He tells us his fascinating tale of fairies that led him to create Sofia the First while stuck in a traffic jam, the joy of working at Disney and presentation and diversity in writing rooms. He talks about his early career struggles, creating the new Sofia the First: Royal Magic show and what next for his w...
Take 153 - Showrunners and Writers Kristin Robinson and Ian Deitchman, It’s Not Like That 14.05.2026 47:54
We welcome the dynamic writing duo of Ian Deitchman and Kristin Robinson to the show. We talk about celebrating wins together, the mechanics of a writing pair and their new show It’s Not Like That. They tell us why they have a shared inbox, being mistaken for a couple couple and the changing dynamics of writing rooms. A deep dive into the world of writing partners navigating today’s TV landscape.
Take 152 - Writer, producer, director Thom Harp, Home Delivery, The Donor Party 17.04.2026 41:54
What a nice man! We have Thom Harp on the show to talk movies, pitches and being nice. We talk persistence, writing what you know and getting the best out of your team. Thom describes the frustrations of years of pushing, how he made the most of the Covid opportunity by listening to sensible advice and the joy of working in a job you love. A really fun, informative and engaging chat.
Take 151 - Showrunner, Writer Courtney Lilly, Black-ish, Everyone Hates Chris 10.04.2026 51:06
We have the impressive Courtney Lilly on the show. He talks about the state of Hollywood, being in the same storm but a different boat and the luck it takes to succeed. We hear about his start as a journalist, showrunning on a show created by someone else and the importance of Morpheus. Why Black-ish was a success, talented actors over good writing and the importance and value of diversity. A fasc...
Take 150 - Writer, Director David Zucker - Airplane, Top Secret, The Naked Gun 19.02.2026 42:13
Episode 150 and we have a legend on. It’s David Zucker, he of The Naked Gun and Airplane fame. He is as funny and witty and irreverent as you would hope he would be. David tells us the story of how he got Airplane made, we talk about the puns of it all and why he doesn’t like the new Naked Gun movie. He talks about spoofs, his new project the Star of Malta and the self-confidence to move to Holly...
Take 149 - Writer Gary Whitta, Rogue One, See you in Hell 15.01.2026 48:18
Rogue One writer Gary Whitta returns to the podcast and we talk…podcasts. The British writer explains why he decided he needed to make a scripted podcast, casting Jon Boyega and how bad Hollywood is at the moment. He talks us through where he sees the industry, the process of pitching this show and his views on taking notes. In his usual witty, sardonic style, we also cover advice for writers, the...
Take 148 - Showrunner and Novelist Craig Thomas, How I Met Your Mother and That’s Not How It Happened 11.12.2025 46:52
The magical Craig Thomas returns to the podcast. The How I Met Your Mother co-creator comes on to talk about his heart-warming novel That’s Not How It Happened. Craig talks about why he wrote the book, disability in Hollywood and the tortuous process of writing a novel. He explains his personal journey with his son’s rare disability, why it was so important to write this book and how he used his t...
Take 147 - Special Episode. Martyn Robertson and Gordon Mackay. Make it to Munich. 06.09.2025 39:59
We talk to filmmaker Martyn Robertson and sports surgeon Gordon Mackay about the inspiring feature doc Make it to Munich. In a crossover episode we talk Hollywood and whisky, pioneering surgeries and telling stories with heart. They explain how the extraordinary story of a young man’s courage to overcome life-changing injuries has ended up at the Chinese Theatre in Hollywood - the adventures they...
Take 146 - Director, Producer, Writer Nick Verso, Boys in the Trees, Invisible Boys 04.09.2025 42:37
He was told he had no future in the entertainment business and yet Australian Nick Verso has gone on to have a stellar career. In this episode we talk about dealing with such raw rejection, how he found his place in the business and also the other early project that was turned down - and the apologies he has had about that since. We talk about why he started directing, how we got good at writing a...
Take 145 - Story Editor (Head Writer) James Eason-Garcia, Ironman and his Awesome Friends, Star Wars Young Jedi Adventures 07.08.2025 47:34
We talk to the incredible, passionate and enthusiastic James Eason-Garcia, co-EP of Ironman and his Awesome Friends. Noah and I geek out a little and cover both James' career while also asking superhero and Jedi questions of a man who has special access to both of those worlds. We talk about his journey from fan to working on these projects, the excitement of actually of walking through the d...
Take 144 - Showrunner, Writer Tony Ayres, The Slap, The Survivors 19.06.2025 44:19
We talked to Australian showrunner and writer Tony Ayres. He talks about his Netflix show The Survivors, comparing himself to others and the balance between commerce and art. We explore his Chinese-Australian roots, the benefits and disbenefits of being niche and how Australia sees Hollywood and Hollywood sees Australian. We also cover the changing language of Hollywood, how he has changed to adap...
Take 143 - Writer Daniel Casey, 10 Cloverfield Lane, F9 15.05.2025 47:07
We bring on the fascinating Daniel Casey. He tells us his Hollywood origin story, giving up directing to get a script moving, his route to F9 and the excitement of working on a serious franchise. Daniel talks about the exciting of being on the set of a $250m movie, how nice Fast and Furious fans were and how close he came to running out of money and giving up. He talked about some huge projects -...
Take 142 - Actor, Writer, Director, Author, Producer Eriq La Salle, Coming to America, On Call 08.05.2025 47:34
We are delighted to have the legendary Eriq La Salle on the show. The talented actor, writer, producer, director and novelist joins us to talk about his illustrious career, the power of storytelling and his love of acting but not necessarily some of the business of acting. We talk about a writing rejection leading to acting, an acting rejection leading to directing and frustrations about pay dispa...
Take 141 - Arika Lisanne Mittman, Writer, Showrunner, Timeless, La Brea, The Irrational 27.03.2025 48:29
We talk to The Irrational Showrunner Arika Lisanne Mittman. She talks about her ten years as an assistant, finally getting her break and what she learned along the way. We discuss the rise and fall of network television, what the industry learned from the strike and whether she's any good at firing people (she's not!). Arika talks about her strengths and weaknesses as a showrunner, gives...
Take 140 - Showrunner Joe Wilson, The Equalizer 20.03.2025 47:17
We talk to Equalizer showrunner Joe Wilson. In one of our most candid episodes so far, he talks about his journey from East Cleveland to Hollywood, the tough days at the start and even sleeping in his car. He explains how he got his break, how he is treated when he goes home and what sort of showrunner he aspires to be. We talk cool Hollywood moments, his strengths and weaknesses and the show abou...
Take 139 - Co-Creators Tim Walsh and Elliot Wolf, On Call 13.03.2025 52:45
It's always fun we have two guests on, particularly when they are talking about Wolf Productions first go at a streaming platform. We talk to showrunner Tim Walsh and co-creator Elliot Wolf about their new show On Call, making the most of the freedom of a streamer, whether the police in Long Beach still like them and how hard the industry is right now. Elliot talks about the Wolf legacy, tryi...
Take 138 - Showrunner, Writer Sally Bradford Mckenna, Will & Grace, Laid 06.03.2025 47:24
We talk to Sally Bradford Mckenna, co-showrunner of the new Peacock show Laid. She explains how she first got her break, reluctantly, on Will & Grace, how her father's career helped shaped hers and why every show needs two showrunners. She talks about the evolution of comedy writing, difficult rooms early in her career and being brought in to solve problems on shows, and how that didn&apo...
Take 137 - Showrunner JJ Bailey, The Hunting Party 27.02.2025 42:38
We talk to showrunner JJ Bailey. He talks about his new show The Hunting Party, finding a new angle for a procedural and the excitement of getting a new network show on air. We hear about the complexity of the showrunner role, learning a way round a writers room and whether you should write about your hobbies. Great insight from a man who seems too nice to be successful in Hollywood.
Take 136 - Writer Matthew Aldrich, Coco, Cleaner 20.02.2025 47:17
We're back after our New Year and fire break and have a great oe, Coco and Cleaner writer Matthew Aldrich. He talks about the power of spec scripts, why he never celebrates his wins and the pressure and intensity of working with Pixar. He tells about sourcing ideas from news articles, how prior success has meant nothing for future success and the state of Hollywood today. We also cover not li...
Take 135 - Executive and Producer Sue Naegle, Day of the Jackal, Game of Thrones 19.12.2024 44:41
We talk to former HBO President and now producer Sue Naegle. A fascinating insight from the top of Hollywood about how Game of Thrones nearly didn’t get made, working with Eddie Redmayne and the art of saying no. Sue talks about producing multiple shows at the same time, the projects that got away and the fear of where the next deal is coming from. We also talk about Hollywood coming out of its da...
Take 134 - Writer and Showrunner Kevin Abbott, Roseanne, Golden Girls, Happy’s Place 06.12.2024 50:12
We talk to comedy writing legend Kevin Abbott. He talks about the drinking, drugs and smoking of his first comedy rooms, how he got his break in the business and working through the night. Pitching while an exec was peeing, why writers are all miserable and the behaviours that are no longer acceptable. Kevin explains that Hollywood is in its worst possible spot, why creatives are not valued and ho...
Take 133 - Producer Michael Costigan, Brokeback Mountain, Based on a True Story 21.11.2024 41:53
We talk to the magnificent Michael Costigan, producer of such hits as Brokeback Mountain, Robin Hood and Hit Man, among many others joins the show. He talks about his new TV series Based on a True Story, his transition from movies to the small screen and how hard it is to get anything made. Michael explains his journey from terrible assistant, to producing seminal movies and compares adversity in...
Take 132 - Showrunner Frank Cardea, NCIS, Crazy Like a Fox, Shogun 24.10.2024 53:19
What an episode! We talk to TV legend Frank Cardea about his decades in the business. He tells us about his move from accountancy to producing, the extraordinary longevity of his writing partnership and working on more than 400 episodes of NCIS. We hear some great examples of failure, some great examples of success and also some great examples of leadership. A fascinating deepdive into one of Holl...
Take 131 - Writer and Showrunner Michael Rauch, Beautiful People, Royal Pains 10.10.2024 46:03
We talk to Michael Rauch. He starts with an extraordinary film school firing, then a late-night 'show being un-picked up' call and how he recovered from those early career setbacks. He tells us about his casting frustrations, managing multiple projects, and what he learned from great showrunners. An excellent episode full of brilliant anecdotes.
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