SE Ranking x Planable
Say It Anyway
Say It Anyway is the podcast where we say the things about digital marketing you’re technically supposed to keep to yourself. Every week, hosts Mordy Oberstein (Head of Brand, SE Ranking) and Miruna Dragomir (CMO, Planable) take an honest — sometimes uncomfortably honest — look at what’s actually happening across the modern marketing landscape.
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Jul 2, 2026
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Marketing is flattening — if you're flat 02.07.2026 16:30
"Marketing is flattening" is the doomscroll take of the moment. Every CMO community, every newsletter, every panel: AI is going to make every brand sound the same, look the same, and blur into one giant beige blob. Mordy and Miruna think that take is missing the actual point — and quietly letting marketers off the hook. Miruna's rant: AI isn't a person. It's a tool. And li...
Agents aren't marketing's biggest problem. Your team structure is! 10.06.2026 14:17
Every conference talk, every LinkedIn thread right now: agents, agents, agents. Mordy and Miruna think that framing is hiding the actual problem. The real struggle for most marketing teams isn't the technology — it's that the team is built for a world that doesn't exist anymore. Marketing orgs are still structured by channel, the way digital marketing was set up 25 years ago. SEO ow...
Will brand no longer matter because of AI? 04.06.2026 18:23
Brand Isn't Dying. You're Just Looking at the Wrong Part of the Funnel. Every few weeks, somebody declares brand dead because AI is going to handle the discovery, the research, and the decision for the user. Convenient theory. Also one that conveniently ignores about 80% of how marketing actually works. Mordy and Miruna take this one apart. The "brand doesn't matter anymore&quo...
Stop hacking LLMs (Why and How) 21.05.2026 17:30
SEOs are doing what SEOs do. And Mordy has some feelings about it. Two tactics have become the go-to playbook for gaming LLMs right now. The first is chunking: stripping your entire site down to bite-sized snippets — nothing longer than two sentences — so AI models can grab and cite them easily. The second is self-serving listicles: publishing “best [category] tools” posts where you rank yourself...
Don’t Dump LLM Visibility on Your SEO Team 14.05.2026 14:26
Here’s an uncomfortable conversation no one wants to have with their CMO. When AI visibility became the next big metric to chase, most marketing leadership did what felt instinctively logical: handed it to the SEO team. Rankings, citations, mentions — that’s what SEOs do, right? Wrong instinct. And in this episode, Miruna explains exactly why. LLM visibility isn’t a ranking problem. It’s a brand p...
You have to be crazy to advertise on ChatGPT! 07.05.2026 19:50
Short answer: yes. Long answer: this episode. ChatGPT is running ads at $60 per impression. Not per click — per impression. That’s Super Bowl money, for a platform where the majority of users still aren’t seeing any ads, you have almost no visibility into who you’re reaching, and the audience came specifically for an answer — not an ad. Mordy and Miruna break down why this feels less like a media...
Stop Using AI for Output — Use It as Your Audience 28.04.2026 17:58
“How much more can we produce with AI?” is the wrong question. Everyone is measuring AI adoption by output: more content, more copy, more campaigns, more. Mordy Oberstein and Miruna Dragomir argue that framing has teams convinced they’re getting value from AI when they’re actually getting the least interesting thing from it. The smarter move? Use it as your audience. Miruna built a custom GPT trai...
[Debate] Budgeting for multi-engine search: Where should your next $10K go? 16.12.2025 37:41
At SEO Foresight 2026 on December 9, join widely respected voices in search—Barry Schwartz, Melissa Popp, Erin Sparks and Grace Frohlich—for a grounded discussion on how teams are planning budgets across today’s multi-engine landscape. With Google’s AI Mode reshaping results and “answer engines” gaining traction, this session compares real-world approaches without one-size-fits-all prescriptions....
Multi-platform search is here: Building brand visibility across Google, TikTok, and answer engines 25.11.2025 39:47
Join Jessica Redman, co-founder of Didgeheads and multi-platform visibility strategist, for a fast-paced guide to showing up across Google, TikTok, and AI answer engines. In this episode, Jessica unpacks the psychology behind today’s multi-touch search journeys and shares playbooks for earning inclusion in quick answers (AI Overviews, Copilot, Perplexity), building TikTok-native discoverability, a...
Conversational AI meets cognitive bias: Re-engineering search strategy for the human brain 27.08.2025 50:02
Join Garrett Sussman, Director of Marketing at iPullRank, as he explores how conversational AI and cognitive bias are reshaping search strategy in 2025. In this episode, Garrett breaks down how chat-style answer engines—like Google’s AI Overviews and AI Mode, and OpenAI’s ChatGPT—tap into psychological shortcuts that influence how people discover and trust information. Discover how to spot and wor...
AI-ready schema: Feeding Google’s answer engines with structured data 24.07.2025 37:08
Join Alex Moss, Principal SEO at Yoast and co-founder of FireCask, as he dives into the world of AI-ready schema and structured data, sharing insights from his 20+ years of experience in technical SEO. In this episode, Alex walks us through how schema has evolved to support Google’s AI-driven answer engines, and why it’s more important than ever to ensure your site is AI-ready. Discover practical...
The AI reality: Navigating strategic shifts in SEO 12.06.2025 37:12
Join Barry Schwartz, President at RustyBrick, Thomas Phillips, Co-Founder of DTC SEO Agency, and Janna Pugh, SEO Specialist at Five9, as they discuss how AI-driven search is rewriting the SEO rulebook. Discover where generative tools like ChatGPT and Gemini genuinely speed up competitor research, interlinking, and product categorization—and where unchecked automations can sabotage title tags and t...
Building a Sustainable SEO Strategy for Local Businesses 27.05.2025 30:02
In this episode, John Reinesch, Founder of Asset Growth, shares key insights into building and sustaining effective local SEO strategies. Learn about long-term versus short-term tactics, foundational SEO elements, adapting to algorithm changes, and the importance of leveraging content. John also covers community-focused backlink building, mobile optimization, the power of customer reviews, and usi...
Driving Real Revenue with SEO: Unpacking Demand Generation, Attribution & AI 24.04.2025 28:05
In this episode, Marketing Director at edays, Lewis Rennison , dives into how AI-driven search tools are reshaping SEO—highlighting which strategies are becoming obsolete and which core practices remain essential. Discover how to leverage AI to enhance demand generation, accurately attribute revenue to SEO efforts, and build an effective multi-channel marketing strategy. Lewis also explores the r...
Local SEO & Google Business Profiles: Future Trends 25.03.2025 23:00
In this episode, local SEO expert and Platinum Google Product Expert, Claudia Tomina, discusses how AI-driven search tools are reshaping local SEO—highlighting which strategies are becoming obsolete and which core practices remain essential. Discover how to leverage AI to optimize Google Business Profiles, enhance local search visibility, and build an effective multi-location SEO strategy. Claudia...
How SEO Copywriting Has Evolved With GenAI Search — What Works, What’s Dead, and How to Stay Ahead 26.02.2025 37:05
In this episode, the pioneer of SEO copywriting, Heather Lloyd-Martin, discusses how generative AI tools are reshaping SEO copywriting—highlighting which tactics are losing relevance and which foundational principles still stand. Discover strategies for leveraging AI to enhance content quality, maintain brand authenticity, and meet evolving search engine requirements. Heather also explores the ris...
Adapting SEO for Generative AI: Creating Content That Serves AI-Powered Search Experiences 28.01.2025 38:44
In this episode, Rejoice Ojiaku discusses SEO strategies that serve AI-driven search experiences like AI Overviews and ChatGPT. Discover how generative AI is transforming SEO, the challenges and opportunities it presents for content creators, and actionable tips for optimizing content. Rejoice also talks about preserving brand voice in AI-generated summaries, integrating GEO into workflows, and th...
The State of AI Overviews in 2024 – Research Insights and Future Forecasts 23.12.2024 31:08
Join industry-leading SEO experts for an exclusive panel discussion on Google's AI Overviews. Barry Schwartz, Itamar Blauer, Erin Sparks and Anastasia K. are discussing the evolution of AI-driven search features and examining their impact on search visibility and ranking dynamics. Get thought-provoking insights and strategies from the brightest in SEO. This discussion focuses on SE Ranking&a...
Maximizing Impact with Minimal Resources: Crafting Effective SEO Strategies for Budget-Conscious Clients 03.12.2024 31:56
In this episode, Signify Digital’s Managing Partner Beth Sherman explains how to create impactful SEO strategies on a tight budget. Learn how to tackle key challenges for budget-conscious clients, focus on areas with the highest ROI, and use the most cost-effective SEO tools and techniques. Beth also shares her approach to prioritizing tactics, involving clients, and leveraging local SEO to delive...
Mastering Analytics for Agencies: Insights from GA4 and Beyond 07.11.2024 40:43
Explore GA4 analytics with Dana DiTomaso, President and Partner at Kick Point. In this episode, Dana shares her expertise with GA4, covering everything from using its event-based model to reporting with Looker Studio. Discover how to unlock GA4’s powerful features like 'Explorations' and get practical strategies for managing data privacy as cookies are being phased out. Want to dive deep...
The Role of Structured Data and Schema Markup in News SEO 03.10.2024 41:08
Join Barry Adams, award-winning SEO consultant and co-founder of the News & Editorial SEO Summit, as he breaks down the importance of structured data and schema markup for news websites. Learn how to use these tools to enhance site performance and visibility, understand their key benefits, and avoid common pitfalls. Barry also discusses the impact of structured data on Google rankings and its...
Brand Evolution: When and How to Refresh Your Digital Identity 09.09.2024 36:03
In this episode, Mordy Oberstein, Head of SEO Branding at Wix, explores the essentials of brand evolution and the importance of refreshing your digital identity. Learn when your brand needs a refresh, how to keep its core identity, and the steps for a successful update. Mordy also touches on the impact of SEO on rebranding and shares insights into how AI is shaping the future of brand evolution. T...
The SEO Agency Rollercoaster with Darryl Sparey of Hard Numbers 22.08.2024 30:28
Join Darryl Sparey, Co-Founder of Hard Numbers, as he shares his journey into marketing and the creation of his innovative agency. Gain insights into managing a remote team, overcoming challenges, and using essential tools for productivity. Learn about Hard Numbers' services, current challenges, and future plans, including preparations for AI in PR and marketing. Tune in to explore future tre...
AI-Driven Strategies for Building Brands: Enhancing Market Position and Differentiation 30.07.2024 30:53
Join Mitch Duckler, Brand Strategy Consultant and Managing Partner at FullSurge, as he shares his AI-driven strategies for building brands and enhancing market positioning. Discover how to use AI to analyze competitors, market trends, and consumer behavior to create unique value propositions and drive differentiation. Learn about the benefits, challenges, and emerging trends in AI that are shaping...
Non-Trivial SEO: Enhancing Your Website’s Performance through Unusual Approaches 27.06.2024 33:59
Join Lukasz Zelezny, Director and Co-Owner of SEO.London, as he shares frequently overlooked SEO strategies to enhance your website's performance. Learn about integrating Google Looker Studio with the GSC API, the benefits of splitting websites into multiple properties, leveraging parasite SEO using platforms like Medium and YouTube, and more.
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