Ben Murray

SaaS Metrics School

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Ben Murray brings you actionable SaaS metrics lessons that he has learned through years of being in the SaaS CFO trenches. Whether you are new to SaaS or a SaaS veteran, learn the latest SaaS and AI metrics, finance, and accounting tactics that drive financial transparency and improved decision-making. Ben’s SaaS metrics blog consistently rates a 70+ NPS, and his templates have been downloaded over 100,000 times. There is always something to learn about SaaS and AI metrics.

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Author

Ben Murray

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Business

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www.thesaasacademy.com

Latest episode

Oct 15, 2026

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Episodes

The ROSE Metric is Your Key to Durable Growth in 2026 31.12.2025

In episode #341 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray explains why revenue per FTE is a misleading metric for modern SaaS and AI companies and introduces the ROSE metric (Return on SaaS Employees) as a more accurate way to measure durable scaling. Ben walks through how ROSE removes labor-cost bias, incorporates contractors and Agentic AI spend, and directly connects people investment to recurring rev...

CFO Confidence at a 4 Year High 28.12.2025

In episode #340 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben breaks down what rising CFO confidence—now at a four-year high—means for SaaS and AI operators planning for the year ahead. Using insights from Deloitte’s latest CFO survey, Ben explains why optimism alone isn’t enough and why companies must pair confidence with strong financial systems, accurate forecasting, and reliable metrics. The conversation center...

Change of Control Provisions in Customer Contracts Can Kill Your Exit 21.12.2025

In episode #339 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben explains how change of control provisions in customer contracts can quietly derail due diligence, fundraising, or a future company exit. Drawing from real-world CFO experience and a recent webinar with a SaaS-focused tech attorney, Ben breaks down why seemingly standard legal language can introduce major risk into a SaaS company’s recurring revenue profi...

How to Call BS on Your 2026 Sales and Marketing Budget 19.12.2025

In episode #338 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben explains how to quickly sanity-check your sales and marketing forecast for the upcoming year using one high-signal SaaS metric: the Cost of ARR. As founders and CFOs finalize budgets, Ben shows how mismatches between projected bookings and planned go-to-market spend can reveal unrealistic assumptions before they turn into missed targets. Using simple exa...

Demystifying SaaS Revenue: A Hierarchy for Predictability & Valuation 16.12.2025

In episode #337 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben breaks down why software revenue categorization is a foundational requirement for strong finance, accounting, and SaaS metrics. He explains the core revenue types every SaaS, AI, or software company should separate on their P&L—and why commingling revenue creates downstream issues in MRR tracking, retention metrics, forecasting, and company valuation...

My Top 3 Go-to-market Efficiency Metrics You Should Track 11.12.2025

In episode #336, Ben Murray breaks down his top three go-to-market efficiency metrics that every SaaS and AI operator should master. He explains when each metric becomes meaningful, how they differ across go-to-market motions, why ACV-based benchmarking matters, and how these metrics become forward-looking tools through forecasting. Ben also highlights the importance of having fully burdened sales...

Should Your Customer Success Team Count Towards CAC? 08.12.2025

In episode #335, Ben answers a common operator question: Should Customer Success be included in the cost of customer acquisition (CAC)? He explains how Customer Success should be coded based on responsibilities, when it belongs in COGS vs. Sales, and when CS expenses should be included in expansion efficiency metrics. What You’ll Learn Why CAC applies only to acquiring new customers. How Customer...

How Leading Public Tech Companies Report AI Value Creation 04.12.2025

In episode #334, Ben Murray breaks down how leading public SaaS and tech companies are reporting AI-driven value creation across their earnings calls. After analyzing more than 130 public tech earnings transcripts, Ben identifies five consistent themes in how incumbents communicate AI monetization, margin impact, revenue growth, and operational transformation to Wall Street. These insights are cri...

Should Expansion Revenue Be Included or Excluded From LTV 02.12.2025

In episode #333, Ben answers a foundational SaaS metrics question: Should expansion revenue be included in your Lifetime Value (LTV) calculation? Ben walks through the correct LTV formula and highlights how misalignment between LTV and CAC can distort your LTV:CAC ratio. He also covers when expansion should be included. The episode provides a practical framework for SaaS founders, CFOs, and operat...

Why Your Low Margin AI Company Must Be 6x Larger Than SaaS Peers 28.11.2025

In episode #332, Ben Murray explains why AI companies with high inference costs and lower gross profit margins must scale dramatically faster—up to 6x larger—to match the financial performance of a comparable SaaS business. Using simple financial modeling and the core principles of SaaS economics, Ben breaks down how AI margins, variable COGS, and TAM expansion interact to shape the financial traj...

The Real Economics of SaaS versus AI Companies 21.11.2025

In episode #331, Ben breaks down the true financial and economic differences between a SaaS company and an AI company. Inspired by a tweet claiming that “SaaS metrics are broken” and that AI companies generate more absolute profit per customer, Ben puts the theory to the test using real financial modeling. This episode walks through detailed revenue, gross margin, EBITDA, pricing power, TAM dynami...

Don't Forget to Allocate Your CAC 18.11.2025

In episode #330, Ben explains one of the most common and costly SaaS finance mistakes: failing to allocate CAC between new and existing customers. This oversight leads to misleading KPI’s, inaccurate CAC payback, flawed LTV to CAC ratios, and unreliable unit economics. Ben walks through exactly how to allocate CAC the right way, how to segment sales and marketing expenses, and why this matters for...

Do You Know the Difference Between SaaS Math and AI Math? 15.11.2025

In episode #329, Ben Murray, The SaaS CFO, breaks down the growing debate around SaaS economics versus AI economics. A recent post claimed that “SaaS metrics are broken” and that traditional KPIs no longer apply to AI companies. Ben challenges this idea and walks through why recurring revenue metrics still matter, how revenue models differ across SaaS and AI, and what CFOs need to understand about...

When Should Founders Fire Themselves as the CFO? 13.11.2025

At what point should a founder stop running finance and accounting and hand the numbers to an expert? In episode #328, Ben Murray walks through the inflection points when SaaS founders should consider hiring a bookkeeper and/or fractional CFO to protect data accuracy, improve forecasting, and strengthen company valuation. You’ll learn the warning signs that your financial systems and reporting are...

The Dirty Secrets Behind SaaS Gross Margins 11.11.2025

Your gross margin might not be telling the truth. In episode #327, Ben Murray exposes the seven “dirty secrets” that distort SaaS gross margins — from incorrect COGS coding to missing allocations for shared resources and misclassified expenses. Whether you’re a CFO, finance lead, or operator, you’ll learn how to clean up your P&L and get accurate unit economics that reflect your true performan...

Legal Readiness Can Make or Break Your SaaS Exit 08.11.2025

Thinking about raising capital or selling your SaaS company? Your legal readiness can make or break the deal. In episode #326, Ben Murray breaks down what investors and acquirers look for during due diligence — and why preparing your cap table, contracts, IP, and financial systems at least six months in advance is essential to protect your company's valuation and ensure a smooth process. What You’...

Are SaaS Metrics Really Dead? 04.11.2025

“SaaS metrics are dead.” You’ve probably seen that post on LinkedIn or X lately. In episode #325, Ben Murray cuts through the noise to explain why SaaS metrics aren’t broken — they’re just evolving to match modern recurring revenue business models. Whether you’re running a SaaS, AI, software, or managed services company, the same financial principles apply. The key is understanding your revenue ty...

Your Implementation Team Could Be Killing Your Gross Profit Margin 01.11.2025

Your implementation and professional services teams could be quietly eroding your gross profit margin — and most SaaS leaders don’t even realize it. In episode #324, Ben Murray explains how unclear COGS structure, mispriced services, and untracked internal resources can distort your unit economics and lower your overall SaaS valuation. If your service margins are negative or your gross profit does...

Should Your Implementation Team Be Coded to COGS or OpEX? 30.10.2025

Where do professional services belong on a SaaS P&L—COGS or OPEX? In episode #323, Ben clarifies how to code implementation, onboarding, custom integrations, and the tricky custom development work that sometimes blurs the line with R&D. You’ll learn how correct classification protects gross profit, keeps investor metrics credible, and supports a higher company valuation. - What You’ll Lear...

Essential SaaS Metrics for a Series A Raise 28.10.2025

Raising a Series A? Your story matters—but your SaaS metrics may close the deal. In episode #322, Ben outlines the investor-ready metrics founders must prepare. You’ll learn what each metric signals to investors, how it ties to valuation, and where founders slip on accounting and financial systems. Why It Matters (Investor Lens) Investor metrics translate your story and traction into company valua...

Is LTV Flawed with Multi-year Contracts? 21.10.2025

Is the traditional LTV formula giving you misleading results when you have multi-year SaaS contracts? In episode #321, Ben Murray unpacks a listener’s question about how Lifetime Value (LTV) should be calculated when customers sign multi-year agreements. Using real-world finance and accounting logic, he breaks down how multi-year contracts can inflate your aggregate revenue retention (GRR) and dis...

Aggregate Metrics Are Dangerous to Your SaaS Health 14.10.2025

At what stage should SaaS companies start segmenting their metrics? In episode #320, Ben Murray breaks down when and how to segment your SaaS metrics — from revenue segmentation to go-to-market efficiency metrics — so your data actually reflects how your business operates. Ben explains how segmentation becomes essential as you scale past $10M ARR or diversify product lines (for example, enterprise...

How Does Net Revenue Retention Impact Your Valuation? 12.10.2025

Does Net Revenue Retention (NRR) really move your company’s valuation multiple? Absolutely — and the difference can be worth tens of millions of dollars. In episode #319, Ben Murray breaks down new data from Meritech Capital and Benchmarkit.ai to show exactly how changes in your NRR directly impact your revenue multiple and SaaS valuation. You’ll also learn why ACV segmentation matters when benchm...

Gaps in Your MRR Schedule Wreak Havoc on Retention 09.10.2025

Even small errors in your MRR schedule can have a massive impact on your retention metrics, and in due diligence, that can destroy investor confidence. In episode #318, Ben Murray explains why gaps in your monthly recurring revenue (MRR) schedule create inaccurate gross revenue retention (GRR) and net revenue retention (NRR) results — and how poor invoicing and renewal practices are often the root...

Great SaaS FP&A Requires These 4 Data Sources 07.10.2025

To build a world-class FP&A process in a SaaS or AI business, you need more than great dashboards—you need clean, reliable data from the right sources. In episode #317, Ben Murray shares the four foundational SaaS finance data sources that power accurate forecasts, meaningful metrics, and board-ready financial models. Drawing on his experience in FP&A across airlines and software, Ben expl...

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