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Rule of Law
The Intersection of Law, Tech, Entrepreneurship, and Storytelling. Rule of Law is a podcast by lawyers, for lawyers. In each episode, we sit down with an attorney or legal professional to talk about relevant current events, practical technology for lawyers, career-defining stories, and the business of running a law practice. Our guests range from large firm litigators to boutique practitioners to legal tech CEOs - all sharing stories and wisdom for listeners in the legal profession. Our goal in every podcast is to provide listeners with an engaging, unscripted experience that is insightful, ed...
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Episodes
Building an AI-Native Law Firm with Drew Jacobs 09.07.2026 44:17
Drew Jacobs, founder of Jacobs Counsel, joins the podcast to discuss building an AI-native law firm, and representing clients in the sports, entertainment, gaming, and tech industries. We explore how AI is changing legal practice, where it adds value (and where it doesn't), the realities of serving entrepreneurs, and what the future of small law firms looks like in an increasingly technology-...
Breaking Bad Billing Habits with Molly Kremer 02.06.2026 46:33
Law firms lose massive amounts of revenue through poor billing habits, inconsistent time tracking, and mindset issues lawyers often don’t even realize they have. In this episode, Molly Kremer, “The Billing Coach,” breaks down the biggest billing mistakes attorneys make, the “time burglars” stealing billable hours, and practical ways to improve billing consistency. Subscribe to the Rule of Law Podc...
Building a Modern Legal Practice for the Creative Economy 30.04.2026 28:27
In this episode, Phoebe Morris joins us to discuss the evolution of legal services in the age of the creative economy. Phoebe shares how she’s moved beyond traditional hourly billing to offer creators, startups, and small businesses a more modern, accessible approach to legal services. We dive into what alternative legal services look like for startups and creators, how alternative fee structures...
What It Really Takes to Build a Successful Law Firm with RJon Robins 06.04.2026 54:41
In this episode, we sat down with RJon Robins, founder of How to Manage a Small Law Firm , to break down what it really takes to build a successful law practice. Spoiler alert! It is NOT giving up your life. We explore how to define success beyond revenue, the difference between working in your business versus on it, and why that shift is critical for long-term growth. This episode is packed with...
The AI Mindset Shift Every Law Firm Needs 09.03.2026 32:50
In this episode, we sit down with a leading voice in AI and legal tech - Colin Levy. We explore what lawyers should really be asking about artificial intelligence, and the mindset shift law firms need to make - from updating outdated workflows to rethinking how legal work is done. We also discuss why so many tech initiatives fail and how the next generation of lawyers is approaching AI. Subscribe...
Who Really Owns the Future of Law Firms? 16.02.2026 24:53
In this episode, we dig into how the business of law is changing as outside investment, alternative legal service providers, and management services organizations become a bigger part of the conversation. We unpack the recent headlines around non-lawyer ownership and look ahead at what all of this means for the future of law firm structures. Subscribe to the Rule of Law Podcast Apple • Spotify • A...
The Lawyer’s Guide to Conferences with LegalGigz 09.02.2026 35:32
In this episode, we sit down with Shaun Jardine, legal pricing expert and founder of LegalGigz, a new platform designed to help lawyers easily discover and keep track of business of law legal conferences, events, and the growing ecosystem of adjacent gatherings that make these trips so valuable. Shaun shares why conferences remain one of the most powerful tools for career growth, business developm...
Beyond Innovation Theatre: Real AI ROI in Modern Law Firms 17.12.2025 35:39
In today’s episode, we sit down with David Wakeling, Partner and Global Head of Markets Innovation Group at A&O Shearman, for an inside look at how one of the world’s most forward-thinking law firms is shaping the future of legal practice. We explore how A&O Shearman evaluates and implements AI, what distinguishes real legal-tech ROI from “innovation theater,” and why many firms struggle t...
Stop Ignoring Your Law Firm's Financials! Smarter Money Management with Kelly Brubaker 19.11.2025 58:34
In this episode, we sit down with Kelley Brubaker, a CPA who specializes in working with law firms to uncover the financial blind spots that hold firms back. From hidden profit leaks and overlooked expenses to common accounting mistakes, we dive deep into how firms can rethink their approach to money management. Subscribe to the Rule of Law Podcast Apple • Spotify • Amazon Music
The eDiscovery Wake-Up Call for Every Attorney 30.10.2025 40:55
In this episode, we dive into one of the fastest-evolving areas of modern litigation: eDiscovery. Kelly Twigger walks us through why every attorney, regardless of practice area, needs to understand how to manage electronically stored information (ESI) and why the days of leaving it “to the tech team” are over. Subscribe to the Rule of Law Podcast Apple • Spotify • Amazon Music
How to Build a Multi-State Law Firm Without Losing Your Mind or Your Mission 15.10.2025 29:14
In this episode, we sit down with Sean Olson, Founder of Olson Personal Injury Lawyers, to explore the real journey of starting and scaling a law firm from the ground up. Sean shares hard-earned insights on managing people, creating a positive work culture, and leveraging authentic customer service as a competitive differentiator. Subscribe to the Rule of Law Podcast Apple • Spotify • Amazon Musi...
LinkedIn Mastery for Lawyers - Insights from Matthew Hunt 30.09.2025 42:59
Are you really using LinkedIn to its fullest potential? In this episode, we sit down with Matthew Hunt, founder of Demandii, and dive into strategies for building a strong personal brand, creating content that resonates with your ideal clients, and turning connections into real opportunities. If you’ve ever wondered how to stop “posting and hoping” and start using LinkedIn with intention, this con...
Is it Time to Leave Law Behind? Exploring Life Beyond the Billable Hour with Casey Berman 16.09.2025 40:18
Have you ever thought about leaving the legal industry to try something new? In this episode, Casey Berman, founder of Leave Law Behind, walks through how to thoughtfully evaluate whether leaving the legal profession is the right move, how to identify alternative career paths that align with your skills and values, and what it takes to make that transition successfully. Whether you’re actively con...
Shiny Object vs. Strategic Investment: Breaking Down What Really Works for Law Firm Growth 03.09.2025 33:50
If you’ve ever wondered how to separate noise from strategy in your legal practice, this episode is for you. Brian Hansen, Founder and CEO of Rocket Pilots, breaks down what really works for law firm growth. From why Google reviews might matter more than your website to spotting the difference between legal tech fads and strategic investments, this episode is packed with insights you won’t want to...
Our Conversation with a Psychotherapist for Lawyers: Learn How to Break Free from Burnout and Limiting Beliefs 15.08.2025 37:54
In this episode, we sit down with Stacey Dougan, a former lawyer and practicing psychotherapist. From high-pressure billable hour demands to the constant mental load of practicing law, she’s seen firsthand how the profession can take a toll on mental health and overall wellbeing. We dive into practical self-care strategies tailored for lawyers, how to shift destructive habits, and ways to challeng...
Don’t Wait for a Bar Complaint! Designing Better Law Firms Through PMBR 31.07.2025 38:04
Is your law firm set up to proactively handle ethics and compliance issues? In this episode, we explore a growing shift in legal ethics and compliance: proactive management-based regulation (PMBR). Instead of waiting for problems to arise or for bar complaints to be filed, some jurisdictions are encouraging law firms to adopt proactive systems that promote ethical behavior, improve client service,...
Building Better Legal Teams: Raquel Gomes on Nearshore Talent Done Right 14.07.2025 48:12
When it comes to recruiting nearshore talent, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. In this episode, Raquel Gomes, Founder & CEO of Stafi, walks through how her company approaches vetting and supporting remote staff, from privacy and security audits to university training to emotional support. Raquel also shares where many law firms fall short in their recruiting and training processe...
Not Thinking About Hiring Remote Staff? Your Competitors Are 30.06.2025 35:38
In this episode, we dive into the world of virtual hiring for law firms - what works, what doesn’t, and how to build a strong remote team. We break down common myths about remote employees, explore how to attract and retain top talent, and share strategies for hiring the right person rather than just filling a role. Whether you're a managing partner rethinking your staffing model or a small f...
Implementing AI In Your Law Firm: Skepticism vs Optimism 23.06.2025 39:49
There IS a safe way to implement AI technologies in your law firm. Jennifer Ballard walks through common pitfalls in using AI, real-world cases of where things can go wrong, and practical advice for getting started. Subscribe to the Rule of Law Podcast Apple • Spotify • Amazon Music
If AI Can Transform the Legal Industry, AI Can Transform Anything 04.06.2025 47:59
The AI train has left the station. Richard Tromans shares his thoughts and insights on using AI to gain efficiency on the margins vs using AI to transform the nature of legal work. We also discuss law firm innovation manifestos, the pitfalls of the current “big law” model, and standardizing legal concepts. https://www.artificiallawyer.com/legal-innovators-conferences-us-uk/ Subscribe to the Rule...
It’s Time to Move Away From the Billable Hour - Here’s How 14.05.2025 46:21
Value based-pricing isn’t just another fad, it’s the lifeline of your law firm. Scared to ditch the billable hour? This episode is for you. Shaun Jardine walks through why value-based pricing is better for firms and clients alike and how to get started in making the shift. Subscribe to the Rule of Law Podcast Apple • Spotify • Amazon Music
AI Models Have Values, the Importance of AI Memory & More. 30.04.2025 36:46
We discuss transitioning from the practice of law to starting a tech company, how AI models are developing their own value systems, the importance of AI memory, and the new norm for security in AI systems. Subscribe to the Rule of Law Podcast Apple • Spotify • Amazon Music
Using AI to Make Legal Services Accessible, How Law Students Are Thinking About AI & More 14.04.2025 45:45
The current law firm business model will not survive. AI is poised to shift the legal industry - leveling the playing field for small firms and making the billable hour model obsolete. Sateesh Nori explains how AI can make legal services more accessible to those who need it most, how we preserve the human side of law, what the next generation of lawyers thinks of AI, and more. Subscribe to the R...
Common Tech Gaps in Law Firms, Evaluating Legal Tech Solutions, Lawyer Burnout 31.03.2025 39:06
When was the last time you or your firm did a technology audit? If the answer is ages ago or never, you are not alone and this episode is for you. We discuss the most common tech gaps in law firms, the why behind tech solutions, what all lawyers need to know about digital security, and more. Featuring Zack Glaser, Legal Technology Advisor at The Lawyerist Subscribe to the Rule of Law Podcast Apple...
Running a Law Firm Virtually, What is Social Media Law, Personal Branding for Lawyers 27.02.2025 37:39
Social Media Law IS a thing! Learn about the evolution of the practice and what’s trending today. Also hear from a personal branding expert about the do’s and don’ts for marketing yourself and your law firm. Featuring Ethan Wall, Founder of the Social Media Law Firm Subscribe to the Rule of Law Podcast Apple • Spotify • Amazon Music
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