Stacey Richter
Relentless Health Value
Welcome to Relentless Health Value, the podcast for those working in the belly of the beast to fix our fundamentally broken healthcare system. If you are a self-insured employer, plan sponsor, benefits consultant, clinician, a C-suite executive or anyone in the business of healthcare tired of the "transformational theater" and marketing fluff, you have found your tribe. The U.S. healthcare system isn't a rational market; it's a game of Pachinko where perverse incentives reign, and as we always say, where there's mystery, there's margin. Hosted by Stacey Richter, we relentlessly hunt down the a...
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Jul 8, 2026
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EP400: My Manifesto, Part 2: Where the Rubber Hits the Road 13.04.2023 21:51
I hope you listened to episode 399 , which was Part 1 of this two-part exploration of my manifesto, meaning my aims and my path or framework to achieve those aims. Regarding the first part of my manifesto, episode 399 from two weeks ago, here's the tl;dl (too long, didn't listen) version; but please go back and listen to that show (Part 1) because it's about you—and it's a compliment and a thank y...
Encore! EP285: Who Is Auditing These Healthcare Bills? Also, That Cigna Lawsuit, With Dawn Cornelis, Cofounder and Director of Transparency at ClaimInformatics 06.04.2023 30:14
Well, this episode became extremely relevant again after that Cigna case bubbled up in the news. Here's the "too long, didn't read" version: Attorneys filed a class action lawsuit against Cigna, alleging that the carrier is overcharging for lab services or did overcharge for lab services. The plaintiff is an individual member of a Cigna plan. The complaint tells a pretty wild story. On the Explana...
EP399: My Manifesto, Part 1: The Relentless Health Value Tribe, I Salute You. 30.03.2023 11:38
This week and in episode 400 of Relentless Health Value, at the encouragement of the Relentless Health Value team, I'm gonna do two shows entitled "My Manifesto," Part 1 and Part 2. In other words, why did I start Relentless Health Value and what's the goal around here? I started contemplating this mission to define the mission thinking about how healthcare will ultimately be transformed and my ro...
EP398: Why Is the Commercial Payer Marketplace in California Completely Boring? With Jacob Asher, MD 23.03.2023 34:07
Yeah, so while the commercial payer marketplace is completely boring, the reasons it's boring are not. Let me walk you through this conversation I have in this healthcare podcast with Jacob Asher, MD. First, we establish that the relative number of each carrier's commercial members in California don't seem to change year over year … and this has been true for years. When you rank order carriers by...
EP397: The Minefield That Is a PBM Contract and Also Some Advice for EBCs Who Are Taking Money Under the Table, With Paul Holmes 16.03.2023 33:43
If this were a video show, I would stare into the camera with steely eyeballs right now and say that I have a special message for employer CFOs. If you aren't a CFO, pretend that you are so that you get the full effect here. So, now that we're all CFOs, let's pull up the company P&L (Profit and Loss) statement. This is what keeps us all up at night, right? Making sure that the net profit line at t...
EP396: How to Answer This Question: Will Humira® Biosimilars Reduce Drug Spend? With Anna Hyde 09.03.2023 33:51
There are two facets of the Humira biosimilar market and launch that Anna Hyde, my guest in this healthcare podcast, talks about. One is market dynamics. The second is provider and patient confidence. These two concepts are tangled up together and cannot be separated. But let me back up a sec and explain, although Anna Hyde covers this really well and offers context in the interview that follows....
Encore! EP293: Game Theory Gone Wild: Co-pay Cards, Co-pay Accumulators, and Co-pay Maximizers, With Dea Belazi, PharmD, MPH, President and CEO of AscellaHealth 02.03.2023 33:54
Well, this episode is suddenly incredibly relevant again just with all the stuff going on with co-pay maximizers. If you're gonna understand maximizers, though, you really have to start here. In a nutshell, this whole thing is a battle royale between co-pay cards and patient assistance programs offered by pharma companies versus co-pay accumulators and co-pay maximizers deployed by health plans an...
EP395: Consolidated Hospital Systems and Cunning Anticompetitive Contracts, With Brennan Bilberry 23.02.2023 35:41
Thanks, shurx, for this review on iTunes entitled "Prepare to Learn." Shurx wrote: "[RHV] provides key insight from experts that you won't find anywhere else. It paints the picture of how our healthcare is tangled, and who benefits because of it. Whether it's drug pricing, PBM shenanigans, hospital billing, or market trends that are challenging the status quo, this podcast is worth your time. I've...
EP394: Spoiler Alert: It Is Counterintuitive Which Hospitals Offer the Most Charity Care, With Vikas Saini, MD, and Judith Garber 16.02.2023 34:08
You would think that hospitals with the most money would offer the most charity care—trickle down and all of that. If my health system is big and I have lots of money and profitable commercial patients, I can stuff more dollar bills into the charitable donation balance sheet bucket, right? Except, in general, it's a fairly solid no on that. Let's talk about some of my takeaways from the conversati...
EP393: How Do You Know if a Practice or a CIN (Clinically Integrated Network) Is Actually Clinically Integrated? With David Muhlestein, PhD, JD 09.02.2023 31:45
Hey, thanks so much to kwebs14 for your super nice review on iTunes the other day. Kwebs wrote: [I have] learned so much, shared so many episodes with colleagues, clients … and gained so much value from regularly listening to [Relentless Health Value]. … Thank you … for providing the platform for so many that believe that we can consistently do better in healthcare. Thanks much for writing this. I...
Encore! EP355: The 5 Business Models for Digital Health Companies, With Nikhil Krishnan 02.02.2023 35:56
This week, I am with my Aventria team on-site at one of our clients. We are holding a full-day workshop to help our client figure out who all across the healthcare industry they will need to get aligned with to achieve greater success in the market and how to handle all of these inevitably conflicting interests strategically and also potentially from a messaging standpoint. I'm one of the subject...
EP392: When Patient Journeys Don't Fit in the EHR System, With Emily Kagan Trenchard From Northwell Health 26.01.2023 31:38
So, a few things to remind everybody. First of all, don't forget EHRs (electronic health records) were purpose built originally for billing. This is no secret. People quite openly have called EHR systems glorified cash registers. If I want to be generous, maybe I would restate this to say that EHRs were designed to document patient interactions. This is what their core architecture was built to ac...
EP391: Lessons for Private Equity and Others Trying to Do Right by PCPs and Their Patients, With Scott Conard, MD 19.01.2023 35:20
On Relentless Health Value, I don't often get into our guests' personal histories. There are a bunch of reasons for this, which, if you buy me beer, we can talk podcast philosophy and I will tell you all about my personal, very arguable opinion here. Nevertheless, in this healthcare podcast, we are going rogue; and I am talking with Scott Conard, MD, who shares his personal story. You may ask why...
EP390: What Legislators Need to Know About Hospital Prices, With Gloria Sachdev, PharmD, and Chris Skisak, PhD 12.01.2023 34:44
If you go to the Sage Transparency dashboard Web site , you get a really graphical representation of the prices that any given hospital actually needs to charge so that they break even. You can see precisely which hospitals are operating on thin margins and which ones are not. You might be thinking, "Okay, so ... what's the big deal about this? Why is the Sage Transparency information so meaningfu...
EP389: The Clapback When Hospitals Cannot Constrain Their Own Prices, With Mike Thompson 05.01.2023 34:41
For the past few shows and in a few coming up, we are circling our wagons around a theme: In healthcare in this country, there are two teams. One team is employers, taxpayers, patients … those trying to keep healthcare prices down. Then on the other team, we have those looking for healthcare prices to continue to go up, meaning, as just one example, some health systems and some hospitals. There wa...
Encore! EP326: The Unfortunate News About HRRP, With Insight Into How to Fix It, With Rishi Wadhera, MD, MPP 29.12.2022 34:18
HRRP stands for Hospital Readmissions Reduction Program, by the way. I wanted to encore this episode with Dr. Rishi Wadhera because it's a great representation of a common root cause reason why quality metrics sometimes don't end well in real life. This root cause is otherwise known as Goodhart's Law, and we dig into Goodhart's law later on in this healthcare podcast. But the actual and ultimate i...
Encore! EP356: PBMs React to GoodRx, Mark Cuban, and Amazon Pharmacy, With Ge Bai, PhD, CPA 22.12.2022 36:10
This show was one of the most popular episodes in 2022. So, here it is again for your listening pleasure. How Spread Pricing Lets PBMs Profit—and Why GoodRx and Amazon Pharmacy Are Forcing a Change The so-called Big Three pharmacy benefit managers—Express Scripts (ESI), OptumRx, and CVS—handle pharmacy benefits for roughly 95% of insured Americans, and they profit from spread pricing, a hidden mar...
INBW37: Harnessing the Miracle of the Commons to Improve the Patient Journey Nationwide, A Conversation With Dave Dierk, Co-President of Aventria Health Group 15.12.2022 24:34
We have done three inbetweenisodes so far on healthcare stakeholder collaboration. In sum, there are two major issues that patients have with our healthcare industry, and both can only be solved for if healthcare stakeholder collaboration happens: Patients falling into care gaps and winding up with bad downstream consequences Patients not being able to afford their care This show, we are moving on...
EP388: Merrill Goozner on the Future of Healthcare and Glide Paths to Get There 08.12.2022 34:55
In this healthcare podcast, I have Merrill Goozner on the show talking about his prognostications for the future of healthcare in this country and how, realistically, it could be engineered so that the healthcare industry rightsizes itself relative to our GDP. Merrill offers three glide paths to this end. Okay … so, let's break this down some. First, Merrill talks about the full impact of huge num...
EP387: Medicare Advantage Trends and How Medicare Advantage Plans Will or Will Not Succeed, With Betsy Seals, CEO and Cofounder of Rebellis Group 01.12.2022 34:50
Here's a big thing that Betsy Seals makes clear in this show: Big companies can be successful in Medicare Advantage (MA)—and I mean success in all of its financial glory—because they have experience and the scale and also the specialized departments who keep track of all kinds of intricacies that are rate critical to MA success. Specifically, things Betsy Seals talks about as critical success fact...
INBW36: Will Healthcare Stakeholders Who Don't Collaborate Wind Up With a Business Problem? 24.11.2022 19:00
We got two new reviews this week on the podcast, which I was thrilled to see. The first was from, it turns out, Dave Chase from Health Rosetta, who wrote that "with so many people in healthcare practicing 'innovation theater' and bloviating versus driving real change, it's a breath of fresh air to listen to Relentless Health Value." Thank you so much for saying that, Dave. We try really hard to ge...
Encore! EP351: Everybody in the Healthcare Industry Getting Up in Everyone Else's Business, With Eric Bricker, MD 16.11.2022 34:49
This episode was one of the most popular episodes in the past 12 months. Since it aired, there was a show with Kevin Schulman, MD ( EP366 ), that added some context, which I would recommend, and also one with David Muhlestein, PhD, JD ( EP364 ). Those two shows and this one are a good three-pack. And hey, here's something new that we're going to try out. Coming up in December, Dr. Bricker and I wi...
EP386: What You Need to Know About ER Bills Post the No Surprises Act, With Al Lewis 10.11.2022 32:21
First of all, let me thank those of you who have left a podcast review in 2022. There was one from Best Healthcare Podcast Around on Apple Podcasts the other day that thanked Relentless Health Value for being singularly responsible for providing a 400-level education in so many complex areas of healthcare, which I personally really appreciated because we aspire to be a master class in healthcare i...
EP385: Morgan Health and the 5 Things Self-insured Employers Should Do Right Now, With Dan Mendelson 03.11.2022 34:59
If you listened to the show with Dan O'Neill ( EP359 ), you would know this already. But let me tell you: If you're a provider, even a provider very confident in your office's ability to confer better patient health, you will still have a super hard time getting off the fee-for-service (FFS) hamster wheel. Why? Because it's hard to find payer contracts out there which will reward you (the provider...
EP384: How Shareholders Impact Payer Behavior, Exactly and Specifically, With Wendell Potter 27.10.2022 36:07
Here's a Milton Friedman quote: "There is one and only one social responsibility of business—to use its resources and engage in activities designed to increase its profits so long as it [that entity] stays within the rules of the game, which is to say, engages in open and free competition without deception or fraud." Okay, so this is Friedman, Milton Friedman, pretty much the most influential advo...
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