Stacey Richter
Relentless Health Value
Welcome to Relentless Health Value, the podcast for those working in the belly of the beast to fix our fundamentally broken healthcare system. If you are a self-insured employer, plan sponsor, benefits consultant, clinician, a C-suite executive or anyone in the business of healthcare tired of the "transformational theater" and marketing fluff, you have found your tribe. The U.S. healthcare system isn't a rational market; it's a game of Pachinko where perverse incentives reign, and as we always say, where there's mystery, there's margin. Hosted by Stacey Richter, we relentlessly hunt down the a...
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Jul 8, 2026
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Bonus Add-on: Honoring Those in Healthcare Who Are Trying Every Day to Do the Right Thing, With Jonathan Baran 07.08.2025 8:46
When Stacey Richter and Jonathan Baran dig into the incentive structures driving healthcare costs, there is an important caveat: the individuals working inside large health systems, carriers, and benefit consulting firms are not the same as the organizations they work for. A C-suite decision to pursue margin at the expense of mission is not a democratic vote. Most people working inside these organ...
How Margin Shoves Mission Off the Bus: A Primary Care Case Study, With Dr. Stan Schwartz 31.07.2025 19:29
Northeast Oklahoma beat out Colorado, Oregon, and New York to win a landmark federal competition for the Comprehensive Primary Care Initiative. The program worked — emergency room visits dropped, hospitalizations declined, patients loved it, doctors loved it, and primary care physicians earned tens of thousands in quality bonuses. Then a health system executive whispered a question that ended it:...
3 Surprising Ways Carriers Make Lots of Money, With Preston Alexander of The Healthcare Breakdown 24.07.2025 38:04
One carrier reported $4.8 billion in investment income in 2024. In 2025, United Healthcare recorded $151 billion in intercompany eliminations — payments from the insurance arm to subsidiaries it also owns. And as fee-for-service Medicare prices rise, Medicare Advantage capitation rates follow, creating a flywheel that rewards vertically integrated carriers for allowing underlying costs to climb. N...
Take Two: EP445: What Does It Take for an Indie Primary Care Practice to Survive Right Now? With Tom X. Lee, MD 17.07.2025 46:19
Here is the central paradox of primary care: if you do it really well — evidence-based prevention, early intervention, curbing specialty volume — you cannibalize the very revenue stream that most consolidated health systems use to subsidize primary care in the first place. So why would a consolidated entity empower primary care to undermine its own major source of revenue? Stacey Richter calls thi...
Bonus Clip: Dr. Tom Lee Talks About Why Retail Clinics Are Not Doing So Well, in His Opinion 17.07.2025 6:36
Retail clinics have been a concept for 20-plus years — and by Dr. Tom X. Lee's assessment, they've largely failed to become what they promised. They're convenient vaccine shops and minor urgent care stops, but very few have become true longitudinal primary care destinations. In this bonus clip, Stacey Richter shares a sidebar conversation with Dr. Tom X. Lee, MD, founder of One Medical and Galileo...
EP481: Seriously, IRL, What Does "No Margin, No Mission" Even Mean? With Benjamin Schwartz, MD, MBA 10.07.2025 33:58
Profit vs. Profiteering: What "No Margin, No Mission" Really Means in Healthcare "No margin, no mission" was coined by Sister Irene Kraus, a nun who ran a health system — and the spirit of the phrase is simple: if you can't sustain a viable business, you can't take care of patients. But somewhere along the way, as Stacey Richter puts it, enough people in healthcare seem to have adopted Jeff Bezos'...
Take Two: EP438: Is It Mission and/or Margin? With John Lee, MD 03.07.2025 35:59
How to Stay Mission-Driven When the System Is Working Against You A third of healthcare waste is someone else's profit. That profit buys a lot of influence — and it's one reason why doing the right thing for patients can get your face smashed against the wall inside a large healthcare organization. That's the real world Dr. John Lee is talking about in this episode, and his question is the one mos...
Payment Integrity Meets Health System Boasts, Such as Our Rates Are 2x Medicare, With Kimberly Carleson 26.06.2025 32:06
When a $1.5 Million Hospital Bill Gets Reduced to $290,000, Payment Integrity Is Why A lung transplant billed at $1.5 million. An organ charged at $676,000 when the legal maximum is $56,000. After a payment integrity review removed the ineligible charges, that bill came down to $290,000. That's not an edge case — for one plan with 55,000 members and $600 million in medical spend, a single year's a...
The Rebate Wall: Why Chasing Pharma Rebates Can Block Better Patient Care 19.06.2025 19:27
Per-employee rebates paid to employers have increased almost threefold since 2017. Over that same period, total drug costs still rose by nearly 24%. So what exactly are those rebates buying? That's the uncomfortable question at the center of this Summer Short. In this Summer Short Stacey Richter speaks again with Ann Lewandowski — nationally recognized healthcare executive and whistleblower known...
EP479: Part 2. What Could Go Wrong Covering High-Cost Claimants With Stop-Loss Reinsurance? 12.06.2025 27:25
Stop-Loss Reinsurance Pitfalls: What Self-Insured Plan Sponsors Need to Know Stop-loss carriers shoot for 30 to 40% margins on the policies they sell. That figure came from the CEO of a large stop-loss carrier, in what Andreas Mang describes as a moment of weakness. If you're a self-insured employer and you haven't been actively marketing your stop-loss coverage every year, you may be paying hundr...
Take Two: EP433: The Mystery of the Weekly Claims Wire, With Justin Leader 05.06.2025 38:49
Five Hidden Fees in Your Claims Wire That May Be Costing Your Plan Millions The weekly claims wire looks like a payment for medical and pharmacy claims. But tucked inside that same wire, invisible to most plan sponsors, are fees that have nothing to do with the care your members received. One multi-employer fund reduced its $13 million in annual spend by $1.5 million just by getting better eyes on...
EP478: Stop-Loss Coverage, Part 1: How It Goes Right, and How It Can Go Horribly Wrong, With Andreas Mang and Jon Camire 29.05.2025 31:58
Stop-Loss Insurance 101: What Every Self-Insured Plan Sponsor Needs to Know Stop-loss is one of the most important buying decisions a self-insured employer makes — and it's almost always the last one, made when everyone is exhausted and ready to just be done. That combination has produced some expensive disasters. This episode is the 101 that makes sure you don't create one. Stacey Richter speaks...
Through Line Show: What the Tribe Thinks You Need to Know About Trust or It's Gonna Be a Problem. Also, Why You Are Smart, With Stacey Richter 22.05.2025 18:33
The Very Real Impact of Trust — or the Lack of It — on Healthcare Outcomes "The very real impact of trust, or lack of trust, which may come from too little antitrust." That line, from Dr. Mick Connors, is the through line of this episode — and it connects patients who don't take prescribed medications because they trust their neighbor more than their doctor, to clinicians who are leaving the workf...
Bonus Add-on to EP477: How to Earn Trust in Healthcare: Four Principles That Actually Work 22.05.2025 11:33
Healthcare is one of the hardest industries in which to build trust — conflicts of interest are baked into the economics, relationships have become transactional, and transparency is the exception rather than the default. So what does it actually take to earn it? This bonus add-on to EP477 revisits a conversation Stacey Richter recorded ten years ago with Charles Green, founder of Trusted Advisor...
Talking Whistleblowing and the Pharma Rebates Whistleblower Case With an Actual Whistleblower, With Ann Lewandowski 15.05.2025 35:47
An EBC Allegedly Pocketed $27 Million of Client Pharma Rebates. Here's What Happened Next. An employee benefit consultant where 61% of revenue allegedly came from keeping clients' pharma rebates — undisclosed, in violation of the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2021, funneled into the executive bonus pool. When the compliance officer raised the alarm and eventually disclosed to a plan sponsor,...
Is This a Moment or a Movement? Three Forces Reshaping Healthcare With Peter Hayes 08.05.2025 34:22
Something shifted after the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. As Peter Hayes puts it, we've reached a "force majeure of bridges too far" — obvious, over-the-line activities that offend normal people's sense of justice. In this episode, Stacey Richter speaks with Peter Hayes, retired president and CEO of the Healthcare Purchaser Alliance of Maine and former director of associate...
Private Equity in Healthcare—The Big Data Points You Really Need to Know, All Together in One Episode, With Yashaswini Singh, PhD 01.05.2025 41:26
What Private Equity Actually Does to Your Healthcare Costs, Doctors, and Community Private equity has invested over $1 trillion in U.S. healthcare in the past decade — from neonatal services to nursing homes — and most plan sponsors and patients don't know it's happened until the downstream effects are already deeply pervasive. In this episode, Stacey Richter speaks with Yashaswini Singh, PhD, MPA...
How Trusted Primary Care Relationships Keep Patients Out of the ER — and Lower Plan Costs 24.04.2025 34:53
ER spend is now about 6% of average plan spend, and it doesn't have to be. In this Take Two episode, Stacey Richter revisits her conversation with Kenny Cole, MD, primary care internist and system vice president at Ochsner Health System, through a focused lens: what does it actually take for primary care to function as an investment in health rather than a cost center — and what happens when it do...
How Hospitals Engineer $800,000 Claims and What Plan Sponsors Can Do About It 17.04.2025 35:17
A single coronary artery bypass graft — no complications, went perfectly normally — billed at $800,000. Not a hypothetical. Eric Bricker, MD, heard it directly from the head of benefits at a major self-funded employer. In this episode, Stacey Richter speaks with Dr. Eric Bricker, internist, former hospital finance professional, co-founder of Compass Professional Health Services, and creator of the...
EP471: High-Cost Claimants in 2025 and Beyond—What Is Really Expensive Not to Know? With Christine Hale, MD, MBA 10.04.2025 34:41
Recently on Relentless Health Value, we've been tinkering around with a few recurring themes—recurring through lines—that are just true about American healthcare these days. In this episode of Relentless Health Value, host Stacey Richter speaks with Dr. Christine Hale about high cost claimants and the implications for healthcare plans in 2025 and beyond. They discuss the importance of trust in pat...
EP470: Continuing the ER and Primary Care Through Line Over to Rural Hospitals and Healthcare, With Nikki King, DHA 03.04.2025 35:10
In this episode, host Stacey Richter revisits a conversation with Nikki King, CEO of Alliance Health Centers, discussing the critical issues facing rural hospitals and healthcare systems. They delve into the impacts of Medicaid cuts, the financial struggles of rural hospitals reliant on commercial insurance, and potential solutions like freestanding emergency rooms, telehealth, and the expanded ro...
EP469 (Part 2): The Impact on Plan Sponsors of Medicare Site-Neutral Payments and HSA Reforms, With James Gelfand, JD 27.03.2025 30:36
In part 2 of episode 469, host Stacey Richter discusses the implications of Medicare site neutral payments and Health Savings Account (HSA) reforms with James Gelfand, president and CEO of the ERISA Industry Committee (ERIC). The episode details how plan sponsors should adapt to Medicare's site neutral payment policies aimed at curbing hospital consolidation and inflated prices through facility...
EP469 (Part 1): The Impact on Plan Sponsors of Medicaid Cuts, With James Gelfand, JD 27.03.2025 25:42
In part 1 of this two part episode, Stacey Richter speaks with James Gelfand, President and CEO of the ERISA Industry Committee (ERIC), about the potential effects of proposed Medicaid cuts on plan sponsors and their members. They explore ways plan sponsors can prepare for the changes, including Medicaid's four major areas of possible cuts: reducing waste, fraud, and abuse; implementing work req...
EP468: Very Common Assumptions That Aren't Actually True About Member Engagement and the Healthcare Industry, With Matt McQuide 20.03.2025 34:39
In Episode 468, host Stacey Richter engages in a conversation with Matt McQuide, CEO of Synergy Healthcare. This episode delves into the critical assumptions surrounding member engagement within the healthcare industry. Key points discussed include the role of employers in steering plan members, the importance of member engagement for navigating the healthcare marketplace, and Matt's three major...
EP467: Connecting Sky-High ER Spend to Primary Care Access—Following the Dollar Through Carriers and Hospitals, With Stacey Richter 13.03.2025 23:09
In this solo episode of 'Relentless Health Value,' host Stacey Richter dives into the intricate relationship between increased emergency room (ER) visits and the lack of access to effective primary care. Discussing insights from recent episodes featuring experts like Matt McQuide, Dr. Christine Hale, and others, Stacey explores how inadequate primary care leads to skyrocketing ER costs, which now...
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