Jason Mlicki & Jeff McKay
Rattle & Pedal: B2B Marketing Podcast
Jason Mlicki, agency leader, and Jeff McKay, former global CMO, discuss growth, marketing, and life in professional services in this weekly podcast. The duo offers divergent thoughts on solving the issues practice leaders and marketers confront—or probably should—including stupid sh*t Marketing should NOT do, how Marketing ruins everything, the BS of professional services, and unleashing your Young Turks. Executive guests and industry experts join frequently to share their insights and experiences. It’s all served up with humor and a refreshing dose of reality from two guys who know how to gro...
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Jason Mlicki & Jeff McKay
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Jul 6, 2026
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Episodes
The Framework for Firms That Want to Win: The Prudent Pedal Growth Framework 13.06.2025 37:48
Explore the Prudent Pedal Growth Framework—a strategic, no-fluff model designed to help professional services firms align culture, strategy, and execution for sustainable growth. The post The Framework for Firms That Want to Win: The Prudent Pedal Growth Framework appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
The Real Reasons Growth Stalls in Professional Services 30.05.2025 37:19
Jeff and Jason kick off a multi-part series on the CEO’s Guide to Differentiation, Growth, and Scale by unpacking the three major hurdles to sustainable growth in professional services firms. The post The Real Reasons Growth Stalls in Professional Services appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
The Death of Industry-First Segmentation? 16.05.2025 37:33
In this episode, we explore how AI is changing the landscape of industry-first segmentation in professional services. Learn how firms should pivot their strategy to focus on capabilities, not just industry expertise. The post The Death of Industry-First Segmentation? appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Measuring Your Marketing (or Brand) Investments 02.05.2025 37:33
Learn how to assess marketing effectiveness beyond metrics. We discuss the importance of brand preference for sustainable growth and aligning your marketing strategy with your firm’s strategic objectives. The post Measuring Your Marketing (or Brand) Investments appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Is PS Marketing Ahead of the Game or Behind? 18.04.2025 39:27
Is professional services marketing behind the curve? Jeff and Jason dig into the industry’s creative, strategic, and resource challenges—and the timeless advantages it still holds. The post Is PS Marketing Ahead of the Game or Behind? appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
The Evolution of Professional Services Marketing: A 25-Year Retrospective 04.04.2025
The post The Evolution of Professional Services Marketing: A 25-Year Retrospective appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
How AI is Changing Marketing’s Roles 21.03.2025 58:14
The post How AI is Changing Marketing’s Roles appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Differentiation: Is It Getting Harder? Or Easier? 03.03.2025 43:01
From AI-enabled search to the growth of industry directories, the forces of the market are making it harder to differentiate a firm. Or are they? The post Differentiation: Is It Getting Harder? Or Easier? appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
The Credibility Crisis: Its Impact on Society, Business, and Professional Services Firms—and What to Do About It 07.02.2025
We examine the growing credibility crisis shaking society, business, and professional services. Learn how declining trust in experts and institutions is reshaping decision-making. Featuring data from Edelman, Pew, Gartner, and Deloitte, this episode offers actionable strategies to rebuild trust and drive lasting success. The post The Credibility Crisis: Its Impact on Society, Business, and Profess...
How Firms and Software Companies Can Drive Business Together with Patrick Ferdig, CEO of Power of Partnering 25.01.2025 43:34
Many of the fastest-growing firms are deeply embedded within software ecosystems. Patrick joins the show to explore the secret sauce that makes a partner strategy work. The post How Firms and Software Companies Can Drive Business Together with Patrick Ferdig, CEO of Power of Partnering appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
The Tercera 30 Market Movers and Partners with Bill Magnuson, Co-Founder and CEO of Braze, and Michael Burton, Co-Founder and CEO of Stitch 10.01.2025 40:13
What does a great software + services firm partnership even look like? Bill Magnuson of Braze and Michael Burton of Stitch show us, real-time. The post The Tercera 30 Market Movers and Partners with Bill Magnuson, Co-Founder and CEO of Braze, and Michael Burton, Co-Founder and CEO of Stitch appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
A Peek Inside The Tercera 30 with Chris Barbin and Michelle Swan 04.01.2025 46:55
Chris and Michelle join us to talk about Tercera’s strategic investments in thought leadership and break down the release of the firm’s research, the Tercera 30. The post A Peek Inside The Tercera 30 with Chris Barbin and Michelle Swan appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
2025 Marketing and Growth Priorities. Are They New or Evergreen? 20.12.2024 48:54
From changing regulations to AI and finding better ways to connect with clients, Jeff and Jason set strategic priorities for professional services firms in 2025. The post 2025 Marketing and Growth Priorities. Are They New or Evergreen? appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
CROs, CCOs, CXOs? The Changing Role of the CMO with Denise Dahlhoff of The Conference Board 10.12.2024 51:32
There are some new members hanging around the C-Suite of a lot of corporations. How’d they get there and why? Denise Dahlhoff shares her latest research unpacking the trend and what it means. The post CROs, CCOs, CXOs? The Changing Role of the CMO with Denise Dahlhoff of The Conference Board appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Winning the Battle for Mindshare When the Competitor is a Bot 22.11.2024 46:55
AI is changing both how clients seek solutions to problems and how they vet firms to hire. Jeff and Jason wrestle with these changes and offer a clear path forward for firm leaders and marketers. The post Winning the Battle for Mindshare When the Competitor is a Bot appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Marketing Channels: Which Ones are the Right Ones for Your Firm 08.11.2024 47:44
SEO, podcasts, conferences, advertorials, blogs … so many marketing channels to choose from. But which ones are right for MY firm? The post Marketing Channels: Which Ones are the Right Ones for Your Firm appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Why People Don’t Understand Data and What to Do About It with Bill Shander 25.10.2024 47:41
Data visualiation expert Bill Shander joins the show to talk about why people don’t understand data, how to increase the data literacy of your teams, and how to shape a compelling POV using data. The post Why People Don’t Understand Data and What to Do About It with Bill Shander appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Segmentation: The Marketing Foundation Firms Seldom Get Right 11.10.2024 54:18
It’s the essence of strategy and the basis of everything—culture, hiring, IP, marketing, sales and client service—Segmentation. Most firms get it wrong. Here’s how to get it right. The post Segmentation: The Marketing Foundation Firms Seldom Get Right appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
The Antidote to Crappy Buyer Personas with Jim Kraus 27.09.2024 52:41
Most buyer personas are little more than fictional avatars. Jim Kraus, President of the Buyer Persona Institute, shows us how to develop a persona that helps you truly understand the buyer and buying process you’re hoping to affect. The post The Antidote to Crappy Buyer Personas with Jim Kraus appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Who Should Be Your Firm’s Thought Leaders? 13.09.2024 1:01:24
Picking the right “faces” for your firm is critical to the success of your growth strategy. Jeff and Jason discuss the characteristics of the best thought leaders. The post Who Should Be Your Firm’s Thought Leaders? appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Fortitude: The Key to Sustained Marketing Success 30.08.2024 48:03
In many firms, Marketing fails because leadership prematurely gives up on its strategy. In this episode, Jeff and Jason break down why firms quit too soon and how to cultivate the virtue of fortitude to drive long-term success. The post Fortitude: The Key to Sustained Marketing Success appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Intellectual Capital: How to Make an Idea Truly Transformative with Art Zards 09.08.2024 52:02
Jason and Jeff welcome expert speaking advisor, Art Zards, to explain why some ideas break through and transform the world around us. And, why others die before the applause even ends. The post Intellectual Capital: How to Make an Idea Truly Transformative with Art Zards appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Bi-centennial: A Look Back at the Hits, “Near Misses” and Lessons Learned from 200 Episodes 12.07.2024 43:47
Jeff and Jason look back at the “killer” insights, occasional misteps, and the most important things they’ve learned from 5 years of podcasting. The post Bi-centennial: A Look Back at the Hits, “Near Misses” and Lessons Learned from 200 Episodes appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Referral Genealogy and Developing the Proper Referral Mindset with Brian Caffarelli 28.06.2024 48:03
Brian shares how to think about referrals, trace the genealogy of our best referral partners, and balance the critical push/pull of both giving and asking for them. The post Referral Genealogy and Developing the Proper Referral Mindset with Brian Caffarelli appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
Using Online Reviews to Drive Referrals with Katie Hollar of Clutch 07.06.2024 44:08
Katie shares the methodology that online marketplaces like Clutch use to publish client reviews and suggests how firms can leverage them to drive a “flywheel through referrals.” The post Using Online Reviews to Drive Referrals with Katie Hollar of Clutch appeared first on Rattle and Pedal .
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