David Fearon and Peter Vaill

Practice? Podcast

Business EN ↓ 100 episodes

“Theory and practice” is a common phrase. We've seen a lot of writing on theory, but what about that other word? Peter calls it "the dark matter of the social sciences" - Practice. It applies to pencil-pushing, educating, heart surgery, sailing, golfing, and anything you can do with purpose. Peter and Dave take you into a world of thought that couples work and play, purpose and routine, life and legacy. In a world of white-water, On Practice is the raft. 

Author

David Fearon and Peter Vaill

Category

Business

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www.podomatic.com

Latest episode

Jun 9, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 290: Episode 273 - Dave and Dad on Relevance Realization in Practice 05.01.2025

Dave adds to our deep dive for the closest look so far at the socially-enacted  nature of Practice, the ideas of philosopher and cognitive scientist John Vernaecke .; Relevance Realization in particular. 

Episode 289: Episode 272 - Dave and Dad Bring Complexity into the Picture 03.11.2024

Dave Jr. and his dad resume their exploration of social enaction and  Practice by delving into Ralph Stacey's theories on complex responsive processes. Reading Stacey's books caused Dave to make a major revision to his doctoral dissertation, Social Enactoin: How TalkinInteraction Constitutes Social Organization. 

Episode 288: Change is Afoot Video 12.10.2024

I am at an entirely different point in my life as a recent widower. Talk about change! Accordingly, I am shifting my attention to practitioners who make our daily lives livable, many of whom are paid by the hour. Yet, they shine and see their role and work as a personal practice. I will both podcast conversations with them and create short videos telling their stories. Yes, change is afoot. I'll s...

Episode 287: Episode 14 - (Reprised) Practice is a Central Organizing Principle 06.10.2024

I move past 12 and 13 to reprise this Episode 14  as the last one before I resume new podcasting. Peter gives us the "why" of our and your attention to Practice. It organizes what we think about our Practice, and Practice organizes us! Asked, "Who are you?', we tend to answer with what we do (Practice). Asked, "What do you love doing?" we may respond differently than what we are paid to do. That's...

Episode 286: Episode 11 (Reprised) Is the sole purpose of leading change? Peter Vaill says so 29.09.2024

Change makes the leader, and leading makes the change. Peter and Dave, co-authors of On Practice as a Way of Being , talk about leading as a dynamic practice available to anyone, at any moment, to make change happen  

Episode 285: Episode 10 (Reprised) All of Us Have Practices of Something 14.09.2024

Peter and Dave continue their conversation probing the developmental nature of Practice. Episode 10 was recorded in 2019 as they collaborated on what became Peter's last book - On Practice as a Way of Being . People find something we have the energy to do, and we are driven to do it better each time. 

Episode 284: Episode 9 (Reprised) Increasingly, Consistenly Produce Intended Results 07.09.2024

Dave and Peter deepened their thinking about practice, introduced in their digital book On Practice as a Way of Being.   Over time, intended results teach practitioners what works and why. The payoff is increasing performance levels. If you stick with it, it sticks with you.  

Episode 283: Episode 8 (Reprised) Digitizing Your Practices is Inevitable 01.09.2024

Peter and Dave recorded in 2021. Peter predicted that digitizing our work and its context was accelerating. Today, Artificial Intelligence applications abound. Their book On Practice as a Way of Being is one of the first digital-only, interactive books. They went all in on this trend. Here is a preview. 

Episode 282: Episode 7 (Reprised) - We Practice in a Socio-Technical Swirl 25.08.2024

Dave and Peter examine their conjecture in On Practice as a Way of Being , that there is a dynamic interflow of social and technical conditions. Four years later, AI technologies are mimicking human-social behaviors. Practice seeks the optimum experience of both. 

Episode 281: Episode 6 (Reprise) - Peter and Dave Talk About 'Learning in the Mess". 19.08.2024

This episode was initially recorded in late 2019, just as COVID invaded our lives and livelihoods.  Then and now, it is a question of our desire and ability to learn as beginners. Change is changing. Can we keep up? 

Episode 280: Episode 5 (Reprise) - Peter and Dave's Points of View on the Practitioner POV 11.08.2024

Among the 32 Conjectures on why your practice matters in On Practice as a Way of Being is how Practice is perceptual and perspectival . What the person sees in moments of doing is what is acted upon (no matter what observers like Vaill and Fearon think is real). Listen to them form their points of view on points of view back in 2019. 

Episode 279: Episode 4 (Reprise) Peter and Dave Continue to Probe the Nature of Practice 04.08.2024

The essence of Practice cannot be fully described through lists or agreements in this conversation. It is ultimately defined by each individual practitioner and so much more. Peter and Dave exchange ideas freely and formalize these ideas in their book  On Practice as a Way of Being .   

Episode 278: Episode 3 (Reprise) - Peter Vaill and Dave Fearon Clarifying the Nature of Practice 28.07.2024

While collaborating on the final draft of On Practice as a Way of Being, Peter and Dave recorded conversations similar to those in the book to originate the Practice? Podcast. There are 32 conjectures about the complex, yet personal, nature of Pratice. Myths and assumptions are pondered in this episode. 

Episode 277: Episode 2 (reprised) Peter Vaill and Dave - Conversation at the Origin of On Practice 21.07.2024

Peter Vaill invited Dave to help him complete what was likely to be Peter's last book, On Practice as a Way of Being . In the Summer of 2019, Dave learned how to produce a podcast to capture the idea-rich conversations he was having with Peter.  To us, and you, Practice is personal. 

Episode 276: Episode 271 - He Frees Compassion from Hardened Male Minds (Sean Harvey) 08.07.2024

Chief Compassion Officer Sean Harvey's work with men in the most challenging roles and situations elicits a string of 'wows' from Dave. The author of Warrior Compassion: Unleashing the Healing Power of Men , Sean, offers hope that new systems and structures are emerging that favor our spirits in all endeavors.  

Episode 275: Episode 270 - He Catches Telling Signs in the Ever-shifting Context for Leading (Tom Casey) 01.07.2024

Tom Casey and his firm, Discussion Partners Collaborative , constantly cast questions to various leaders to catch the emerging trends shaping the context for leading their organizations. Dave and Tom discuss the yield from the cast of this question. What do you find reprehensible in a leader? Clue. #1 is hypocrisy. 

Episode 274: Episode 269 - Problem Solving at the Nexus Corporate Operations (Greg Balicki) 23.06.2024

Corporate business operations are where multiple practices converge, with daily outcomes predicted and not. Dave's former student,  Senior Vice President Greg Balicki,  works at the nexus of Voya's converging business problems and opportunities to lead problem-solving projects addressing both. 

Episode 273: Episode 268 -She Makes Space for Us to Do the Changing (Lisa Lloyd) 16.06.2024

People find the need and space to change by experiencing Lisa Lloyd's "bespoke support" designs. Dave enjoys this conversation with a fellow podcaster. Lisa is Beyond the Water Cooler. He agrees with her theme: "It's time for change." 

Episode 272: Episode 267 - His Busines is the People Who Are the Business HR Huntsman) 10.06.2024

Dave talks with business growth specialist HR Huntsman and makes the pleasant discovery that The Leaders EDGE is his client company's people - all of them - working in a complex social system that his consulting makes lastingly real.  

Episode 271: Episode 266 - She Revels in the Ambiguity of the Digital Future (ElisaTuijnder) 01.06.2024

Listening to Happiness at Work podcaster and agile leadership consultant Elisa Tuijnder is strangely encouraging. She is not hashing over the past (like Dave does). She is tossing digital breadcrumbs ahead of time for us to follow into the future. 

Episode 270: Episode 265 - He Guides Business Owners Onward Into the Unknown (Scott Beebe) 26.05.2024

Dave was intrigued by a business consultant about the founder of My Business on Purpose , Scott Beebe's logo - Liberating Owners from Chaos . These days, who doesn't need a coach who believes we can handle the yet-to-be-known future? Scott's 100+ business clients know the value of a steady guide.  

Episode 269: Episode 264 - His Practice is Media Magic (Alexander Liteplo) 19.05.2024

Dave met an actual AI content creator, Alex Liteplo , a practice for all our futures. Dave is trying out one of Alex's AI- generated clips to feature podcast episodes with his son Dave, Jr. The images correspond to Dave's words as in a dance. Magic!  

Episode 268: Episode 263 - What Are You Discovering About AI? (Dave, Jr & Dave, Sr) 11.05.2024

Social Enaction thinker Dave Fearon helps his dad Dave Fearon overcome his reluctance to accept AI as an inevitable presence in our practice lives. 

Episode 267: Episode 262 - He Makes Space for Designing Conversations (Mark Bradford) 06.05.2024

Dave returned (see Episode 257 ) to Relational Leadership thinker Mark Bradford to be with him in a virtual social space where designing thinking has plenty of room to bloom. And, for Dave, it did. 

Episode 266: Episode 261 - Classical Music Is His Learning Sound Track (Paul Crick) 28.04.2024

Dave and Paul Crick , Founder of Elevate Partnership, exchange insights into the marvelous mysteries of humans' behavior in leading, composing, and performing in concert. While you will not hear classical music in the background, it is the analogy to leading playing in their thoughts. 

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