Power of OR - A podcast by and for Christian business leaders who want to be Spirit-led

Featuring:  Drew Martin   Org:  Mighty Motion Pictures   What do you do when following God's leading seems to leave your life in pieces?   In this episode of  The Power of OR Podcast , filmmaker Drew Martin, founder of Mighty Motion Pictures, shares the remarkable journey that reshaped his faith. After decades of creating documentaries that boldly championed truth, Drew found himself facing financ...

Featuring:  Blake Mattocks   Org: 365 Christian Stories What do you do when your entire world collapses  –  a nd  you're  the reason it did?   In this deeply honest conversation, Blake Mattocks shares the defining  OR moment  that changed everything: protect his reputation and cling to what was familiar  or  bring his failure into the light and trust God with whatever came next. That decision – co...

Featuring:  Jim Brangenberg   Org:  iWork4Him   For years, Jim Brangenberg thought ministry happened primarily inside the church. Then God transformed his understanding of work, showing him that the workplace is one of the greatest mission fields in the world.   In this special episode of  The Power of Or , host Brad Hawkins turns the microphone around and interviews co-host Jim about the experien...

Featuring:  David Noble   Role:  Financial Adviser, Pastor   What happens when God's direction  doesn't  make sense on paper? In this honest and deeply personal episode of the Power of  Or  podcast, David Noble shares the remarkable journey of balancing decades in financial services with a calling to ministry, discipleship, and radical obedience to God.   From growing up in a military family and m...

Featuring:  Paul Nichols   Role:  Retiree and Chaplain   What does a life of quiet faithfulness really look like? In this episode of the Power of OR, Brad Hawkins and Jim Brangenberg sit down with Paul Nichols ,  a retired manufacturing worker, longtime chaplain, pastor, husband,  and faithful servant whose impact has stretched across decades of loving people well.   From factory floors and hospit...

Featuring:  Dr. Miles Mettler   Role:  Focus on the Family Ambassador     In this episode, parenting  isn't  treated as a formula.  It's  revealed as a series of choices.    Dr. Miles Mettler shares how his journey through health  and behavioral  science s , leadership, and faith led to a powerful realization: you can react out of  instinct   or  you can respond with intention  –  a nd that choice...

Featuring:   Brad Hawkins   Role:  Author of  The Power of OR     What if the biggest breakdowns in your relationships, leadership, and even your faith  aren't  caused by circumstances ,  but by the conclusions you make in seconds?   In this episode, Brad Hawkins and Jim Brangenberg turn the mic on themselves to introduce  The Power of OR . What starts as a book launch quickly becomes a practical,...

Featuring:  Michael Boerner   Role:  Mission 17  Founder & President   Michael Boerner grew up in the Mormon (LDS) faith believing that following God meant striving, earning, and proving your worth. But a relationship  –  a nd a series of honest conversations  –  f orced him to wrestle with a deeper question: what if truth isn't something you defend, but something you discover? That tension led to...

Featuring:   Tim Kohn   Role:  Former NFL player turned  Financial Advisor     What happens when the dream you chased your whole life  isn't  the real goal?   In this powerful episode of  The Power of OR Podcast , former NFL offensive lineman Tim Kohn shares his unlikely journey from a lonely, suicidal teenager to the NFL – and  ultimately to  something far greater than football.   Tim's story  is...

Featuring:   Greg Books   Role :   Business Owner   Greg Books built what many would call a dream – a thriving adventure resort designed to help people reset and recharge. But  almost as  quickly as it rose, everything unraveled.   In this deeply honest conversation, Greg shares what happened when business collapse, divorce, and the death of his father converged ,  and how faith  didn't  erase the...

Featuring:   Jerry Nichols   Organizations:   Lighthouse Power Business   What do you do when professional success, clear plans, and proven strategies are no longer enough?   In this episode of  The Power of OR Podcast , Brad Hawkins and Jim  Brangenberg  talk with entrepreneur and fractional executive  Jerry Nichols  about navigating leadership through seasons of growth, disruption, and surrender...

Featuring:  John Ramstead   Organizations :   Beyond Influence ;  Hangar X Studios   In this powerful and deeply personal episode of  The Power of OR Podcast , Brad Hawkins and Jim  Brangenberg  sit down with longtime friend and former Navy fighter pilot  John Ramstead  to explore the unexpected turns that reshaped his life, faith, and identity. From achieving his lifelong dream of flying F-14s  ...

In this conversation, Russell Jenson shares his journey from decades in education to building a mobile escape-room business that became an unexpected leadership training ground. After ten years, he made another courageous decision: selling the business not to slow down, but to make room for what God might be inviting him into next.   Russell's Key "OR" Moments   Stay in education OR leave when the...

What do you do when obedience to God seems to cost you everything?   In this powerful episode of  The Power of OR Podcast , filmmaker  Drew Martin , founder of  Mighty Motion Pictures , shares the defining crossroads of his life and work. After years of creating bold, truth-telling documentaries, Drew faced devastating personal and professional losses  –  financial collapse, betrayal, and the end...

In this episode, Brad and Jim sit down with  Mike Saunders , a marketing strategist who helps financial professionals build real authority   without gimmicks, pride, or burnout. His story is a masterclass in learning to hear God's direction in your work, taking bold steps when the timing makes no sense, and grounding your business in trust instead of anxiety.   Mike shares how he pivoted from "doi...

What do you do when your entire world collapses – and you're the reason it did?  In this deeply honest conversation, Blake Mattocks shares the defining OR moment that changed everything: protect his reputation and cling to what was familiar or bring his failure into the light and trust God with whatever came next. That decision – costly, humbling, and obedient – became the doorway to unexpected he...

In this episode, Brad Hawkins and Jim Brangenberg dig deeper into The Power of OR —the small but transforming shift that helped Brad rebuild his life after a 24-hour collapse that nearly took everything from him. They revisit the moment Brad's world came apart, the painful assumptions he carried into every room, and how the simple discipline of staying curious—rather than jumping to conclusions—be...

In this first-ever episode of the Power of OR Podcast, Brad Hawkins shares the true story behind the movement. Once leading multiple thriving companies across investment management, tech, medical services, and more, Brad watched his world collapse in a single day when a partner's hidden wrongdoing triggered a federal investigation and froze every dollar he owned. Though ultimately found innocent,...