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Poured Over
Poured Over is a show for readers who pore over details, obsess over sentences and ideas and stories and characters; readers who ask a lot of questions, just like Poured Over's host, Miwa Messer, a career bookseller who's always reading. Follow us here for surprising riffs, candid conversations, a few laughs, and lots of great book recommendations from big name authors and authors on their way to being big names. New episodes land Tuesdays and Thursdays (with occasional bonus episodes on Saturdays).
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Tom Perrotta on TRACY FLICK CAN'T WIN 07.06.2022 41:49
"Tracy never went away. So yes, you can say I'm bringing her back, but the culture kept her in circulation in a way that was really interesting to me, and at times a little alienating. It's like you create a character and, suddenly, she's played brilliantly by Reese Witherspoon, and in a sense, that becomes the public's image of the character — and I love that performance as much as anybody. But t...
Katie Runde on THE SHORE 04.06.2022 50:18
"I missed it so much. And definitely didn't get it or appreciate the specialness of it, or this particular beauty of it … until you have to show up at a party full of strangers. And answer that, where are you from question so many times. I'm not sure I would have written this book, if I didn't have to do that over and over and over again, in so many different places." That's Katie Runde, riffing...
David Levithan on BOY MEETS BOY 02.06.2022 44:18
"I was very, very unintentionally smart in that I started it as a short story, I genuinely believed it was a short story, which was good, because if I hadn't sat down and said, I'm now going to write my first novel I'd probably still be working on it, but because it was a short story that got longer and became a long story, and then became a novella. And then like, Oh, I'm writing the book that I...
Sarai Walker on THE CHERRY ROBBERS 31.05.2022 45:09
"I didn't want it to be just a very overwhelming dark book. I mean, it has so much tragedy that I had to balance that I wanted to make it part of, you know, light and airy and fun and frothy and feminine to contrast with what's going to happen. I think there's power in that contrast ... I felt like it can't all be this very goth all the time, this very gothic world, the kind of fog-on-the-Moors ki...
Steve Almond on ALL THE SECRETS OF THE WORLD 28.05.2022 51:39
"And I had to actually give up and say, Okay, maybe I'll go to the grave not having written a novel , and I don't have to carry around shame about that. I can just do the kind of writing that I'm maybe better at or that it is my calling to do, and the moment I stopped putting so much pressure on myself and stopped making it a big ego drama about me, that actually opened up space in my creative lif...
Honorée Fanonne Jeffers on The Love Songs of W.E.B Du Bois 26.05.2022 46:20
"I'm always coming back to Chicasetta, in the same way that Ernest Gaines always comes back to Bayonne parish. And William Faulkner always comes back to that county that I cannot pronounce, your top or whatever it is, right. You know, in the same way that Louise Erdrich returns to the particular reservation, I'm always coming back to these characters." Finalist for the National Book Award, poet Ho...
Akwaeke Emezi on YOU MADE A FOOL OF DEATH WITH YOUR BEAUTY 24.05.2022 43:28
"I had a dream about them. I have like these really cinematic dreams. And I woke up from this one. And I was like, this is a fantastic, messy little story, this is a love triangle that I want to read about. I want to—as a reader, as a viewer—I want to see this play out. And the only way I could get it to play out was to you know, write it." Critically acclaimed author Akwaeke Emezi ( Freshwater , ...
Candice Millard on RIVER OF THE GODS 21.05.2022 40:56
"…You have to have so much primary source material that you are drowning, you think you can never get through it all. That's the only way you get dialogue, you get all those details, you know, that really make you feel like you're there and kind of at you just like sinking into the story and forgetting everything else." We'll follow bestselling author Candice Millard anywhere at any time—her lates...
Emma Straub on THIS TIME TOMORROW 19.05.2022 44:18
"That was really what I wanted to get at. The relationships that you have with the people who you love so much, and who you're so close with that you don't have to talk to them all the time." All of Emma Straub's novels have big beating hearts, no matter who or what or where or when she's writing about. This Time Tomorrow is her "autobiographical time travel novel" and it's an absolute delig...
Selma Blair on MEAN BABY 17.05.2022 39:11
"But then when I read that Raymond Carver said he didn't have the ability to write, you know, a full novel. He was a sprinter and I thought, Oh, maybe I could do it . Is there any such thing as a half a paragraph short story , because that was all I had the focus for. So, it took me a long, long time to write this book." Actress ( Cruel Intentions , Hellboy , Legally Blonde) , model, muse to K...
Alison Espach on NOTES ON YOUR SUDDEN DISAPPEARANCE 14.05.2022 39:57
"For me, part of the fun of coming-of-age novels, both reading and writing, is getting to have that adult perspective on these youthful moments and kind of allow you to make sense of them in a way you couldn't before; it can allow you to forgive yourself for some of the things maybe you did, it can allow you to laugh at some of the things that horrified you, and that can bring peace and joy and re...
Jennifer Weiner on THE SUMMER PLACE 12.05.2022 43:05
"I was thinking about caretaking. And I was thinking about mothers because I lost my mom last year, but just the places that feel familiar and how they almost become characters in our heads. Like when I think about the house where I grew up, and I can remember it so specifically right down to the way like the closet smelled or when I think about all the time I spent in Cape Cod, the way the sand o...
Heather Walter on MISRULE 10.05.2022 44:59
"…It's like if Tim Burton decorated Versailles for Halloween…" Heather Walter's queer retelling of Sleeping Beauty kicked off with Malice , which we think of as more than just a remix to a familiar story—It's a complex, character-driven story with action, political intrigue, betrayal, and of course, a slow burn romance ... Heather's closing out her Malice duology with Misrule , and she joins u...
Monica Ali on LOVE MARRIAGE 07.05.2022 40:14
"For me, the novel form is the greatest expression because it has that room, that latitude to really explore for the full complexity of human existence and psychology and diversity, and there's no other single format that I think comes close, even with the amazing ways in which television drama has grown and become more complex and more satisfying, I still think that it's the novel form that did i...
Hernan Diaz on TRUST 05.05.2022 41:29
"And the title, of course, has this double meaning, the financial meaning of trust, and let's call it, emotional meaning of trust … To what extent can I trust this voice and the book, to a large extent is questioning the contracts we enter into as readers." Hernan Diaz follows up his acclaimed debut novel, In the Distance (a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize), with Trust , a stunning book-about-a...
Vaishnavi Patel on KAIKEYI 03.05.2022 43:02
"I grew up hearing The Ramayana over lunch. My grandma would tell me little bits and pieces to me and my younger sister, she would tell us little bits and pieces every day. And we would ask to hear the same stories over and over again." If you're a fan of imaginative retellings like Circe , Ariadne and The Witch's Heart , you don't want to miss Vaishnavi Patel's Kaikeyi . Vaishnavi joins u...
Viola Davis on FINDING ME 28.04.2022 41:05
"And so then, I felt like that's when I had to go back to the beginning of telling my story of sort of rediscovering the young Viola, who definitely may have been traumatized, but was pure." Multi-award-winning actress Viola Davis has poured herself into the characters she portrays on the big screen and on stage. And, now, in her most deeply personal and inspiring role yet, as author, she has rele...
Bonnie Garmus on LESSONS IN CHEMISTRY 26.04.2022 43:35
"And I think it's just overall her humanity and her recognition of what other people could accomplish. If you just say the right things, if you create the right chemistry, that really drove me to her. And she does—she has her own chemistry with everyone in the book." That's Bonnie Garmus talking about Elizabeth Zott, the unforgettable center of Bonnie's debut novel, Lessons in Chemistry . Bonnie...
Margo Jefferson on CONSTRUCTING A NERVOUS SYSTEM 23.04.2022 44:07
"I didn't want that more traditional kind of arc of childhood to a certain stance of wisdom or resignation or triumph. I wanted—partly because I felt with Negroland , and very much with this book—that ability to change persona, change my position, to acknowledge that one was performing at times, and that one played many, many roles … I wanted to be able to take in all of that, and a traditional m...
Nghi Vo on THE CHOSEN AND THE BEAUTIFUL 21.04.2022 45:04
"There's an intense pleasure in viewing the flaws of the people around you and saying, I'm not a part of that , even if maybe at the beginning you want to be or even maybe you still do, but you learn to come from where you stand. And that's part of what Jordan is doing. She's very comfortable in her discomfort…" Nghi Vo won the Hugo Award for Debut Novella with The Empress of Salt and Fortune ,...
Susan Cain on BITTERSWEET: HOW SORROW AND LONGING MAKE US WHOLE 19.04.2022 46:09
"Leonard Cohen is like my all-time favorite musician … I, all my life, have had this reaction to sad music, of not feeling sad at all when I listened to it. Instead, what I feel is a kind of sense of uplift, and a sense of wonder and awe that a musician could take pain and turn it into beauty. And most of all, a kind of sense of connection with the musician and with all the other people who are li...
Douglas Stuart on YOUNG MUNGO 16.04.2022 46:41
"I knew that after writing this sweeping family portrait that goes over about 40 years in the Bain family's history, that for my next novel, I wanted to write something that was very focused, that was quite propulsive, and quite edited in the scope and the time that we spend with the characters. And so, for me, it was about romance. It's about that love between these two young men." Douglas Stuart...
Chloé Cooper Jones on EASY BEAUTY 14.04.2022 50:28
"You know, beauty is such an interesting term. I think it's really important how vast and complex it is … we call people beautiful, I call my dog beautiful every day. I call food I eat beautiful, I call bitter, bitter coffee, beautiful, I call an idea beautiful. A mathematical concept can be beautiful, a sunset, the natural world, a performance, a song, certainly works of art, but … I've heard mys...
Sara Nović on TRUE BIZ 12.04.2022 46:03
" True Biz is an ASL idiom. It doesn't have one direct translation into English, but a few of the things that it could mean: seriously, literally. Real talk is one that I think gets used a lot. No kidding . Like, if someone says like, No, you made that up , no true biz , you know, and I thought that it was a good title for the book, because it doesn't quite translate directly into English." W...
Grace D. Li on PORTRAIT OF A THIEF 09.04.2022 44:50
"I really wrote it for me, I didn't think anything would come about — I wanted something that could bring me a bit of joy, where Asian American characters could live their lives and do something as fun and ridiculous as robbing art museums across the world." Grace D. Li loves a caper flick, and now she's written Portrait of a Thief , a caper novel with a very fun Chinese American cast. Grace join...
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