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Political Thinking with Nick Robinson

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Nick Robinson talks to people who shape our political thinking about what shaped theirs. Each episode of Political Thinking features an in-depth conversation with someone who is shaping our politics. The people who run our country (and those who want to), campaigners, business and union leaders, and people who run other countries. All of them join Nick in the studio, not for a news-y interrogation, but for an extended and relaxed conversation, delving into their past and how it shaped their worldview. New episodes drop on Fridays on BBC Sounds. You can also watch them on BBC Two at 12:15pm on...

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Jul 9, 2026

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We've got a plan: Louise Haigh on her journey back to power 09.07.2026

The former Transport Secretary, sidelined by Keir Starmer, reveals she's been working with Burnham on a plan for government for at least a year, and has already seen the prospective Prime Minister make tough decisions. Also - bringing hope back to politics, navigating an exotic bird auction, and playing football in the House of Commons chamber. Recorded in front of a live audience at the Crossed W...

The Treasury was in denial: John Healey on why he resigned as defence secretary 06.07.2026

In his first interview since resigning from Keir Starmer's government, the former Defence Secretary John Healey talks about the threats we face, his hopes for a Burnham government, and why he thinks the Treasury is in denial. Producer: Hannah Wilkinson

What went wrong for Starmer: Morgan McSweeney gives his side of the story 02.07.2026

In his first ever interview, the Prime Minister's former Chief of Staff Morgan McSweeney lifts the lid on winning power, dealing with Trump, and how project Starmer fell apart. Producer: Hannah Wilkinson.

'A bad start even before he starts' - Welsh First Minister on why trouble's brewing with Burnham 26.06.2026

The new First Minister of Wales Rhun ap Iorwerth on what Wales really wants, why Reform surged in the Senedd election, and how working as a nightclub bouncer will help him deal with Andy Burnham.

From Downing Street... to California Governor? Former Tory adviser Steve Hilton on making the Golden State great again 19.06.2026

Former Tory adviser and candidate for California Governor Steve Hilton on the frustrations that drove his political journey and why he believes the Golden State can turn red.

'We need some daydreaming': lawyer Theodor Meron on surviving the Holocaust, and issuing Netanyahu’s arrest warrant 12.06.2026

International lawyer and judge Theodor Meron on issuing Netanyahu’s arrest warrant, and how daydreaming helped him to survive the Holocaust. This episode has been subject to a Corrections and Clarifications note: https://www.bbc.co.uk/helpandfeedback/corrections_clarifications

Why Starmer will survive: The Attorney General on human rights, small boats, and his ‘dogged’ friend the Prime Minister 05.06.2026

The Attorney General Richard Hermer speaks to Nick about small boats, his most controversial cases, and why his old friend Keir Starmer can survive a leadership challenge.

“Inequalities don’t happen by accident” Dr Mary-Ann Stephenson on trans rights, Islamophobia, and why equality still matters 29.05.2026

Chair of the equalities watchdog, Dr Mary-Ann Stephenson, on sex and gender, the right to protest, and doing one of the hardest jobs in Britain.

'What the hell are we doing?' Wes Streeting on his promise to young people, resigning from government, and wanting to be PM 21.05.2026

Labour leadership contender and former health secretary Wes Streeting on what prompted his resignation, the challenges of being a working class politician, and his wealth tax plan.

Why the PM has to go: Miatta Fahnbulleh on being the first minister to break with Starmer 15.05.2026

The former Communities Minister Miatta Fahnbulleh, who was the first Minister to resign from Keir Starmer's government after the elections, discusses reaching breaking point, who should lead Labour now, and why she's terrified of where politics is going. She also talks about her experience as a civil servant working with Conservative Ministers, and why her children are her toughest critics. Senior...

'It's been a whirlwind': Zack Polanski on storytelling, Zionism and Zackonomics 20.03.2026

Few people have done more to shape politics in recent months than the Green Party Leader in England and Wales, Zack Polanski. In his Political Thinking debut, he tells Nick Robinson about his 'whirlwind' journey since becoming leader, saying that becoming PM is now 'in his mind' . He talks about his upbringing and Jewish identity and why he has now become a prominent critic of Israel. He explains...

From Sky boss to Number 10: Shadow Business Secretary Andrew Griffith 13.03.2026

Andrew Griffith on why government sometimes has to say 'no' and why Rupert Murdoch was the "best boss". The Shadow Business Secretary was once the youngest Chief Financial Officer of any major British company, when he worked at Sky, before becoming an MP an joining Boris Johnson's team in Downing Street. Senior Producer: Daniel Kraemer Producer: Flora Murray Editor: Giles Edwards

'We cannot have chaos': Emily Thornberry on the law of war and Labour's struggles 06.03.2026

The Foreign Affairs Committee Chair on Iran, Trump's 'asteroid of awfulness' and the 'grief' she felt after being dropped by Starmer. Emily Thornberry tells Nick about how her father's career as a UN peacekeeper helped shape her commitment to the ideals of international law. She also has frank views about what her party needs to do to stem the rise of the Green Party. Senior Producer: Daniel Kraem...

'This is Iran's Berlin Wall moment': Omid Djalili, comedian and actor 27.02.2026

The British-Iranian comic on revolutions, Kensington, 9/11 jokes, King Charles and Iran's future. Omid Djalili has become one of the loudest voices in the Iranian diaspora calling for the overthrow of the regime in Tehran, in favour of US military action. While the world waits for Trump's next steps, Djalili talks to Nick about growing up in a hub of London's Iranian community, chasing history fro...

'We're appeasing the tech bros': Beeban Kidron, from film-maker to lawmaker 20.02.2026

What links Bridget Jones to social media regulation? The answer: Baroness Beeban Kidron. In 2004 she directed the Bridget Jones sequal. 20 years later, she became one of the most vocal campaigners for regulation of social media and tech in the UK. She joins Nick in the Political Thinking studio to tell her story, from joining Marxist dinner parties in her childhood home, to filming and living with...

Nigel Farage: 'Broken Britain', national identity and lessons from Trump 13.02.2026

A frank conversation with the leader of Reform UK. Nigel Farage has put his party on a "general election war footing" and says he is preparing for power. What has his party still got to learn before they're ready? Who is he referring to when he talks about putting "our own people first"? And what made him change his mind and return to politics? Senior Producer: Daniel Kraemer Producer: Flora Murra...

How to tell England’s story: James Graham, playwright 06.02.2026

James Graham joined Nick in the political thinking studio in late January, ahead of a this year's TV adaptation of his play Dear England. What did Gareth Southgate get right about national identity? What advice does the playwright have for Keir Starmer on storytelling? And why is it important that people continue to go to the theatre? Senior Producer: Daniel Kraemer Producer: Flora Murray Sound: G...

Vitali Klitschko, Mayor of Kyiv: From boxing to politics 30.01.2026

How did the world heavyweight champion end up running a city of 3 million people in wartime? Vitali Klitschko joins Nick from the Ukrainian capital in the midst of a Russian campaign to descimate the city's energy infrastructure. He talks about what peace could look like, the lessons he learned from living under Soviet rule as a child, and why he decided to abandon a lucrative life in the US to en...

David Lammy: The old world order isn't coming back 23.01.2026

What happens when US Vice President Vance goes drinking with Angela Rayner & David Lammy? The Deputy Prime Minister and Justice Secretary knows America better than probably anyone else around the cabinet table. And in this interview he reflects at length on the state of the world and the significance of the US president's Greenland threats. David Lammy gives an impassioned defence against crit...

The union leader who agrees with the Tory leader: Daniel Kebede 16.01.2026

The National Education Union's general secretary on banning social media, strikes and race Daniel Kebede says he is "completely aligned" with Kemi Badenoch on social media policy but warns that the Labour government is on a "collision course" with teachers over pay and conditions. Why does a former minister describe him as "disarming" while the press brand him as "militant" and a "hardened protest...

John Swinney: Trump, Independence and Scottish Troops in Ukraine 09.01.2026

What is the Scottish First Minister's secret for getting Donald Trump's attention? Nick is in Edinburgh to sit down with John Swinney, at the start of a year of big elections across the UK, including for the Scottish Parliament. He has been at the top of SNP-led government's for almost all of the last 19 years. He is now asking for another five years, with the hope of securing a new independence r...

Jordan Bardella: The 30-year-old populist hoping to be France's next president 10.12.2025

An exclusive interview on immigration, racism, Russia, Farage and Trump. Jordan Bardella is the leader of National Rally in France, and currently leading the polls to become president in 2027 if his mentor, Marine Le Pen fails to overturn a conviction that bars her from running for office. In the meantime, he is on a mission to persuade people that his party has changed since its history as the Na...

Kemi Badenoch: Shooting from the hip 28.11.2025

Why did the leader of the opposition call the chancellor 'spineless' and 'shameless'? Kemi Badenoch joins Nick in the Political Thinking studio to reflect on what lay behind the personal and political debates around Budget Day. How can she emulate Margaret Thatcher's regeneration of the Conservative Party? How did anger help drive her into politics? And why do her kids wish she still worked at McD...

Shabana Mahmood: Racism, Asylum and Me 20.11.2025

Why is the Home Secretary warning against leaving space for "darker forces"? Shabana Mahmood sits down with Nick off the back of announcing sweeping changes to the asylum system in the UK. Why did she decide to quote explicit racial abuse in the House of Commons? And how does she intend to avoid "ceding the territory of asylum to the far right"? The Home Secretary reflects on how her Muslim faith...

'I'm preparing for government': Plaid Cymru leader Rhun ap Iorwerth 14.11.2025

Can Plaid Cymru replace Labour as the party of power in Wales next year? Rhun ap Iorwerth, the party's leader, thinks so. Rhun ap Iorwerth joins Nick in the Political Thinking studio to talk about how his parents' passion for Welsh heritage and language formed the basis for his vision for the country. They explore Welsh identity and the anti-monarchy spirit that inspired the name of his teenage ba...

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