Civic Ventures
Pitchfork Economics with Nick Hanauer
We are living through a paradigm shift from trickle-down neoliberalism to middle-out economics — a new understanding of who gets what and why. Join zillionaire class-traitor Nick Hanauer and some of the world’s leading economic and political thinkers as they explore the latest thinking on how the economy actually works.
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Jul 7, 2026
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There’s no such thing as a race-neutral policy (with Valerie Wilson) 20.04.2021 23:59
EPI economist Valerie Wilson joins us for a conversation about the economic costs of racism, and which policies could help further racial equality. Valerie Wilson is the Director of the Program on Race, Ethnicity, and the Economy at the Economic Policy Institute. Prior to joining EPI, she was an economist and vice president of research at the National Urban League Washington Bureau. Twitter: @Val...
Diving into March’s giant jobs report (with Austan Goolsbee) 13.04.2021 23:51
The latest monthly report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics showed massive gains in March—the strongest in seven months—indicating that economic growth is gaining speed. Economist Austan Goolsbee explains why he’s optimistic, what kind of numbers we need to keep seeing to realize a full recovery, and how the report proves that even though some think high unemployment insurance payments will disi...
Winning back our freedom from the market (with Mike Konczal) 06.04.2021 40:08
The relationship between time, work, and freedom has always been a battleground in the American economy. Could our devotion to free-market fundamentalism in fact be making Americans less free? Author Mike Konczal joins the show to talk about positive versus negative freedom and the policies that would make us more free, in a real sense. Mike Konczal is the Director of Progressive Thought at the R...
Andrew Yang interviews Nick! 30.03.2021 42:44
On his podcast Yang Speaks, former Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang asks Nick about pervasive economic myths, the next big labor standards fight (the overtime threshold), and the early days of the Fight for $15. Plus, they debate whether a higher minimum wage or a universal basic income would be better for society. The episode from Yang Speaks: https://shows.cadence13.com/podcast/yan...
Atlas Hugged (with David Sloan Wilson) 23.03.2021 36:23
If you’re one of the many people who have asked us to take down the concepts in Atlas Shrugged, which argues that we’re a fundamentally selfish species, this episode is for you! If you’re not one of those people, well, this episode is ALSO for you! Evolutionary biologist David Sloan Wilson has infused the idea of prosociality (the desire to help others) into his new book, Atlas Hugged, and he join...
Can’t stop, won't stop, GameStop (with Congressman Ro Khanna) 16.03.2021 33:29
When GameStop’s stock skyrocketed early this year, Wall Street was pissed. A group of Redditors had manipulated the stock market—and everyone knows only professional hedge fund managers are allowed to do that! We couldn’t ignore the market news that took the world by storm, so Nick and Goldy called up CA Congressman Ro Khanna to talk about what happened with GameStop, what it means for financial r...
No, the relief bill won’t cause inflation (with Austan Goolsbee) 09.03.2021 47:43
This weekend, the Senate passed the coronavirus relief bill—and the House is scheduled to debate the bill, and widely expected to pass it, on the day this episode is published (Tuesday, March 9th). While the Senate debated what would be the largest disaster-relief legislation in American history, moderate Democrats and ultra-conservative Republicans alike repeated one common criticism—that infusin...
The idea for a National Investment Authority, explained (with Saule Omarova) 02.03.2021 34:40
Tackling existential threats to our future like climate change and economic inequality is a huge undertaking, and building the future is going to require massive public investment. Cornell Law Professor Saule Omarova calls for a National Investment Authority that would work inside private markets as a soup-to-nuts problem-solving operation. Saule Omarova is the Beth and Marc Goldberg Professor of...
The velocity of money (with Ann Pettifor) 23.02.2021 41:56
Over the last century, the velocity of money—the rate at which money changes hands through the economy—has declined. Today, money moves at one of the slowest rates on record, meaning every dollar today generates 70% less economic activity than a dollar did just ten years ago. That has big implications for our economy. Political economist Ann Pettifor joins Nick and Goldy to explain how the velocit...
Re-post: Does the market pay you what you’re worth? (with Marshall Steinbaum and Saru Jayaraman) 16.02.2021 50:34
The theory of marginal product of labor says that every worker is paid exactly what they’re worth—the value that their labor generates. Employers cite marginal productivity to legitimize paying the lowest wages possible, but that’s just another trickle-down scam. Economist Marshall Steinbaum and food labor expert Saru Jayaraman expose the lie of marginal productivity, and show how it’s been used t...
What’s the deal with the CBO report? 12.02.2021 29:43
The big news in the minimum wage world this week is the brand new CBO report—which, among many benefits, also found that a $15 federal minimum wage would cost jobs, increase the deficit, and raise prices. How can that be, when most modern minimum wage studies suggest the opposite? Goldy and Paul explain how CBO arrived at their numbers. Show us some love by leaving a rating or a review! RateThisPo...
Ask Nick Anything 09.02.2021 38:29
You know the drill: Nick and Goldy answer your questions! Did we see ‘pitchforks’ at the Capitol insurrection? What should people who subscribe to the economic theories we talk about in this podcast call themselves? What are the smartest investments the average person can make for a stronger, more prosperous, more democratic America? And more! To ask Nick and Goldy a question for a future AMA, le...
Repost: How to spot a bogus minimum wage study (with Ben Zipperer) 05.02.2021 46:12
Here’s another resource from the archive that will help you wade through the loud and often misleading coverage of the Raise the Wage Act. Not all minimum-wage studies are equal. Some of the most headline-grabbing negative reports on the effects of the minimum wage were commissioned and promoted by right-wing organizations looking to legitimize trickle-down policies that hurt workers. How can you...
Do wealthy Americans have too much power? (with Thom Hartmann) 02.02.2021 39:08
Is the U.S. an oligarchy, or does it just have a bunch of super-rich people living in it? Is there a difference? Author Thom Hartmann joins Nick and Paul to explain the relationship between wealth and American political power and share some of the research that went into his latest book, ‘The Hidden History of American Oligarchy.’ Thom Hartmann is the #1 progressive radio talk show host in the US...
Repost: Why raising the minimum wage doesn’t raise unemployment (with Mayor Eric Garcetti and Alan Krueger) 29.01.2021 50:26
You may have noticed that the trickle-downers are out in full force again spouting bad ideas in response to the Raise the Wage Act, which will raise the federal minimum wage to $15/hour. To set the record straight, we’re reposting one of our first-ever episodes, from early 2019, that reveals what the research proves (no, raising the minimum wage doesn’t affect employment), and asks why changing pu...
How can Democrats win back rural America? (with Bill Hogseth) 26.01.2021 30:24
Democrats used to win elections in rural areas, but that seems like a distant memory now. This week, Zach is joined by Bill Hogseth, a political organizer from rural Wisconsin, to talk about the difference between making promises and delivering change—and how Democrats can win rural America back again. Bill Hogseth is a political organizer from rural Wisconsin, where he works for the Wisconsin Far...
The sounds of the new administration 22.01.2021 12:23
Celebrate the end of inauguration week with this compilation of fun soundbites from past guests who are now serving in the Biden Administration! Featuring: Jared Bernstein, from ‘What can a board game teach us about capitalism? https://pitchforkeconomics.com/episode/what-can-a-board-game-teach-us-about-capitalism/ Chris Lu, from ‘Whatever happened to overtime?’ https://pitchforkeconomics.com/epis...
The economic challenges Biden faces (with Idrees Kahloon) 19.01.2021 28:16
Idrees Kahloon from The Economist joins us for inauguration week to assess the daunting economic challenges that the Biden-Harris administration will face the second they take office. Idrees Kahloon is the Washington correspondent for The Economist. He covers US policy, poverty, and COVID-19 stimulus packages. Twitter: @imkahloon Show us some love by leaving a rating or a review! RateThisPodcast...
The case for a True New Deal (with Bharat Ramamurti) 12.01.2021 35:39
In a recent report, The Roosevelt Institute called for a new set of policies to mitigate the economic suffering caused by the pandemic. Taken all together, these policies are as sweeping as the New Deal was—but unlike the New Deal, they’re truly representative of America’s race, class, and gender diversity. Attorney Bharat Ramamurti, the incoming Deputy Director of the Biden administration’s Natio...
How banking deregulation makes you unsafe (with Anat Admati) 05.01.2021 38:56
No matter what some politicians may claim, there’s actually no such thing as ‘less regulation’ — there are only regulations that favor the powerful, and those that don’t. Stanford economist Anat Admati walks us through the deregulation of the banking industry and explains how she would overhaul financial regulations to make them work well for society, not just for the rich and powerful. Anat Adm...
Tax me more, I’m rich (with Abigail Disney and Chye-Ching Huang) 29.12.2020 55:24
Trickle-down economics would have you believe that the rich are job creators. For decades we’ve been told that the more money the wealthy have to invest in creating jobs, the better the economy will be for everybody. This lie has had catastrophic effects: the top 0.1% of Americans now own more wealth than the bottom 90% of Americans combined. As debates rage among our leaders over stimulus bills a...
Why should we cancel student debt? (with Fenaba Addo) 22.12.2020 35:31
The CARES Act delayed student loan payments as a form of stimulus, raising an important question: if forgiving student loan debt is good policy and broadly popular with Americans, should we just cancel student debt altogether? University of Wisconsin Madison Associate Professor Fenaba Addo, who researches debt and wealth inequality, helps us explore the merits and shortcomings of student debt canc...
Why conventional wisdom is finally pushing for higher wages (with Binyamin Appelbaum) 15.12.2020 39:01
Six years after the beginning of the Fight for $15 movement, conventional wisdom is finally waking up to economic reality. How do we know? Because the New York Times recently published an editorial titled ‘Let’s Talk About Higher Wages’ calling on the incoming Biden administration to focus on higher wages for everyone. They couldn’t be more right on. Binyamin Appelbaum, the lead writer on business...
Author Interview: Competition is Killing Us (with Michelle Meagher) 08.12.2020 29:28
Neoliberal economics says free trade is always good, and its followers try to lower trade barriers without discretion. Freedom is an essential ingredient for successful international trade—but that doesn’t mean all trade should be unregulated. Competition law expert Michelle Meagher joins Goldy to debunk common competition myths and talk about strategies to hold powerful monopolies accountable. M...
Restoring conservative economics (with Oren Cass) 01.12.2020 44:34
“Conservative economics” in the U.S. has become synonymous with libertarian principles. But that’s not what American conservatism was originally about. Oren Cass, the executive director of a new think tank called American Compass, is on a mission to restore conservative economics to its roots in family, community, and industry—and he joins Nick and Goldy to find common ground. Oren Cass is the ex...
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