Eddie Flaisler, Morgan VanDerLeest
People Driven Development
There are a number of ways to develop software: Test-driven, Behavior-driven, Product-driven, Customer-driven (to name a few). But once you move into engineering leadership, you're no longer dealing with software directly. It's all about People Driven Development. How do you work with people to drive this engineering product forward? How do you manage people so they feel seen, respected, emotionally safe, challenged, and empowered? How do you deliver business results and also focus relentlessly on people? Eddie and Morgan try to help their fellow engineering leaders through difficult situation...
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Episodes
AI Wars: Managerial Economics Strikes Back 22.06.2026 58:10
Morgan and Eddie respond to a listener VP of Engineering whose late-stage startup is struggling to raise a Series E amid investor pressure to be “AI-first” and even “loopmaxxing.” They frame the problem as managerial economics—decision-making under constraints—and adapt concepts from Eric Ries’ book “Incorruptible” into a leadership approach: financial gravity, structural integrity, and coherence....
The Business Case for Kindness - A PDD Holiday Special 28.12.2025 58:33
Eddie and Morgan explore the concept of intentional communication within engineering management, sparked by Will Larson's post 'Good Engineering Management is a Fad.' They emphasize interpersonal communication's impact on individual and group performance. Touching on the Gottman method's 'Four Horsemen,' and Nadella's promotion of Nonviolent Communication at Microsoft, this episode is crucial for...
MergeSort: M&As from an Engineering Standpoint 28.09.2025 51:49
Eddie and Morgan return to discuss the intricate aspects of mergers and acquisitions (M&A) from the perspective of engineering leadership. This episode builds on their previous discussions, shifting the focus to the challenges faced by companies integrating new technology and teams. They cover motivation types for M&A, emphasizing economies of scale, industry consolidation, vertical integr...
Outnumbered & Outgunned 15.05.2025 1:03:56
Eddie and Morgan dive into a challenging listener's question about navigating a reverse merger opportunity amidst failing technology due diligence in a small FinTech startup. Special guest Robin Atwood, a seasoned engineering leader at Nuro, joins to shed light on technology due diligence, touching on critical topics like security, operational resilience, and compliance. They discuss prioritizatio...
Is That Ethical? 04.04.2025 45:46
Morgan and Eddie delve into the complex topic of ethics in engineering leadership. They explore the four primary goals of ethical tech development: protecting people from harm, treating people fairly, enabling people to understand and challenge decisions, and safeguarding rights and freedoms. They cover frameworks such as IEEE, ACM, and IFIP's codes of ethics, biases in AI, algorithmic fairness, a...
The Manager of Managers 11.03.2025 50:57
Eddie and Morgan discuss a listener's question about managing managers in engineering. They explore various frameworks and strategies necessary for overseeing managers, touching upon crucial elements like clarity, alignment, and execution. They dig into the potential pitfalls of mismanaging through, and the importance of psychological safety, autonomy, and succession planning. With concrete exampl...
Managing Mistakes 30.01.2025 45:36
Eddie and Morgan delve into a listener's question about dealing with costly mistakes at work, particularly focusing on the tension between accountability and blame within engineering teams. They analyze a real-world dilemma faced by a new director of engineering at a series B startup and extend the discussion to include learnings from the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster. They discuss the differenc...
The ReOrg 10.01.2025 54:41
In this episode, Eddie and Morgan dive into the complexities of departmental reorganizations (reorgs). They provide an overview of the motivations and emotions behind reorgs, addressing why they often evoke strong reactions among employees. They different types of reorgs, such as rightsizing and rethinking, and explore the countervailing metrics that should be tracked to ensure the effectiveness o...
Where's my innovation? 13.12.2024 54:38
In this episode, Morgan and Eddie address a question from a newly appointed VP of Engineering at a Series C company who is struggling to foster innovation. The discussion explores the challenges of reinvigorating stagnant growth while maintaining current product stability. They delve into the concepts of balancing immediate business needs with future innovations, employing the Toyota Production Sy...
Switching context 17.11.2024 39:49
Eddie and Morgan discuss the challenges of productivity and time management in R&D organizations. The conversation delves into the inefficiencies caused by context switching, the value of large blocks of uninterrupted work, effective management practices, and the significance of having well-defined organization and communication norms. They introduce the concept of 'team hours' to improve prod...
Systemic Imposter Syndrome 11.10.2024 39:16
Morgan and Eddie focus on the topic of imposter syndrome in engineering organizations. The discussion centers on the impact of imposter syndrome and associated mindsets—perfectionists, superheroes, natural geniuses, and experts—on team dynamics and productivity. They examine the organizational roles in fostering or mitigating imposter syndrome, including the importance of structured onboarding, in...
The Productivity Paranoia 06.09.2024 1:08:30
Eddie and Morgan are joined by guest Erin Doyle, a staff software engineer at Lob. Together, they delve into developer productivity, exploring the balance between developer experience and organizational efficiency. They discuss challenges like cognitive overload, psychological safety, and the pitfalls of productivity metrics. The conversation highlights practical steps for fostering a productive e...
Unit Economics is a thing 16.08.2024 50:18
Morgan and Eddie explore the often-taboo topic of money in engineering organizations by tackling listener questions about explaining layoffs and budget cuts to a team. They break down how SaaS businesses operate, the factors influencing engineering budgets, and practical strategies for managing finances as an engineering leader. (00:00) - Introduction and Listener's Dilemma (01:13) - Understanding...
People analytics 18.07.2024 54:01
In this episode, Morgan and Eddie pivot from their usual Q&A format to discuss the crucial topic of individual performance assessment, particularly timely during mid-year reviews. They explore the complexities introduced by recent economic shifts, the significant role of perceived performance in career trajectory, and the challenges in achieving fairness and transparency. Key discussion points...
Breaking silos 28.06.2024 37:30
Morgan and Eddie address a listener's concern about navigating silos in a rapidly growing engineering team. They discuss how silos form, their impact on productivity, and various strategies to break them down, such as encouraging a culture of shared responsibility, emphasizing succession planning, and proactive knowledge transfer to mitigate silo formation and promote long-term team health. They a...
How predictable can software engineering be? 10.06.2024 36:58
In this episode, Morgan and Eddie respond to a listener who is struggling to deliver an AI-based internal product for customer support on time. The discussion covers potential reasons for project delays, with a focus on local and global issues affecting predictability. They provide insights on proper effort estimation, managing expectations, the importance of psychological safety, and key metrics...
Valuation of Values 15.05.2024 36:21
In this episode, Eddie and Morgan discuss the significance and impact of company values, focusing on how to ensure they are effectively implemented and upheld within an organization. They explore the importance of aligning values with actions, integrating them into decision-making processes, and addressing potential pitfalls like value weaponization. Topics covered: The purpose of company values B...
Creating owners 27.04.2024 42:36
In this episode, Eddie and Morgan explore the topic of creating ownership within teams and organizations. They discuss what it means to be an owner, how to create an environment where people feel empowered to take ownership, and the benefits of having a culture of ownership. Topics covered: What does it mean to be an owner How to create an environment where people feel empowered to take ownership...
What's an effective manager? 08.04.2024 38:24
In this episode, Eddie and Morgan discuss the question of what makes an effective manager. They delve into the key competencies and attributes that effective managers possess, and explore how these competencies can be developed and improved over time. Topics covered: The key competencies and attributes of effective managers How to develop and improve managerial competencies The importance of commu...
Who needs managers anyway? 27.03.2024 36:44
In this episode, Eddie and Morgan discuss the question of whether or not engineering organizations can run effectively without any managers. They delve into the underlying reasons why a CEO might ask this question, and explore the key attributes of a team and system that will succeed with varying levels of involvement of managers. Topics covered: The possible reasons why a CEO might want to elimin...
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