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Payrollin'
The nationals are coming for your clients. Consolidation is crushing margins. And if you're not keeping up with the latest in the payroll and HR industry, you're going to get left behind. Welcome to Payrollin'. The no-BS podcast for independent payroll bureau owners and leaders who are done getting squeezed by ADP, Paychex, and the private equity machines swallowing up the industry. Hosted by Matt Vaadi, founder of guHRoo (a PEO) and Outsourced Scale (offshore staffing for payroll providers), this show delivers the strategies you need to survive — and thrive — while the middle collapses around...
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Jun 30, 2026
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How to Build the Referral Relationships That Actually Send You Deals 30.06.2026 12:16
Most payroll reps are chasing the wrong CPA partners. Here's the framework that fixes it. In this episode, Matt Vaadi breaks down the 10V4 program — the exact partner strategy his team uses to generate 40 referral opportunities per rep from CPA channels alone. It starts with one simple reframe: stop hunting for the one big honey hole and start building 10 solid relationships with a system behind t...
How to Grow Payroll Revenue Without Finding a Single New Client 25.06.2026 18:56
Join the show live every Thursday for a conversation you can’t find anywhere else: https://grow.payrollinpodcast.com/ Are you spending too much time chasing new payroll clients while ignoring the revenue already sitting in your client base? Most payroll providers focus heavily on new sales, but the data tells a different story. ADP expects roughly 50% of its new revenue to come from existing custo...
BambooHR, Paylocity, and Asure Just Launched Managed Payroll. Now What? 11.06.2026 27:42
Three major payroll vendors launched managed payroll solutions within weeks of each other. Coincidence? Probably not. In this episode of Payrollin’, Matt Vaadi shares what’s really happening behind the recent managed payroll announcements from BambooHR, Paylocity, and Asure. Is this just another industry buzzword, or is managed payroll becoming the next major growth opportunity for payroll provide...
What’s the Current Average for Employee Benefits? $753 Premium, 78% Employer Paid 28.04.2026 43:40
📧 Get weekly payroll bureau growth strategies (1,000+ leaders subscribed): → https://www.payrollinpodcast.com/ Are your employee benefits actually competitive… or just “good enough”? In this video, Matt Vaadi sits down with Matt Wilson from Scott Insurance to break down Milliman's benchmarking data across 20,000+ companies and show exactly how the guHRoo PEO plan designs stack up against national...
I Drove 3 Hours to See Inside a $3B PEO Acquirer (Here's What I Found) 17.04.2026 27:01
I drove three hours. No agenda, no idea what I was walking into to spend half a day inside Vensure Employer Services headquarters. What I saw was nothing like what I expected. 105 acquisitions. 8 deals in legal. 50 in the pipeline. $750M in revenue and still raising capital. This episode is the closest thing to a behind-the- scenes tour of the most aggressive PEO acquirer in the country and I'm sh...
The PEO Industry Lost 40% of Its Players. What's Next? 26.03.2026 1:00:36
📧 Get weekly payroll bureau growth strategies (1,000+ leaders subscribed): → https://www.payrollinpodcast.com/Matt recently joined Pete A. Tiliakos and Julie Fernandez on the HR & Payroll 2.0 Podcast for a thoughtful conversation on the future of HR, payroll, and PEO services. In this episode, they discuss:• Matt’s journey into the payroll and HR space• The current state of PEO consolidation and...
The Advice That's Killing Your Business (Focus vs. Everything) 13.03.2026 47:34
📧 Get weekly payroll bureau growth strategies (1,000+ leaders subscribed): → https://www.payrollinpodcast.com/ "Focus on one thing" is the most repeated business advice on the internet right now. It's also the wrong first step for most entrepreneurs. Matt Vaadi and Chris Clark make the case that unfocused experimentation isn't a detour, it's the path. From worm farms and deodorant blogs to a $5....
What is Vibe Coding? How to Generate Leads In One Hour for Your Business (with Chris Clark) 04.03.2026 53:31
📧 Get weekly payroll bureau growth strategies (1,000+ leaders subscribed): → https://www.payrollinpodcast.com/ In this episode, Chris walks through how he builds custom AI-powered sales systems without hiring developers or waiting months for software builds. Using tools like Claude and Lovable, he created a functional virtual SDR and lead engine in under an hour. Inside this episode, you’ll see:...
How Paragon Won Big in Cannabis Payroll (Lessons from a Niche Market) 22.01.2026 48:27
📧 Get weekly payroll bureau growth strategies (1,000+ leaders subscribed): → https://www.payrollinpodcast.com/ Learn how Paragon revolutionized cannabis payroll with a brand-first strategy and overcame key industry challenges. In this episode, Clarke Lyons, VP of Brand Marketing at Paragon Payroll, reveals how to successfully navigate the cannabis payroll industry. Learn how Paragon built a stron...
Vensure Made 100 Acquisitions (Here’s Why It Actually Worked) 08.01.2026 27:55
📧 Get weekly payroll bureau growth strategies (1,000+ leaders subscribed): → https://www.payrollinpodcast.com/#subscribe Learn the explosive growth secrets behind Vensure’s 100 acquisitions and $30B in revenue in just 5 years. In this episode, Matt dives into how Vensure scaled their business to $30B by acquiring 100 companies over the past few years. He breaks down the key strategy behind their...
Brittany Hodak's Secrets to Building Superfans (Walmart, Disney, Amazon) 18.12.2025 45:28
📧 Get weekly payroll bureau growth strategies (1,000+ leaders subscribed): → https://www.payrollinpodcast.com/ Find out how brands like Walmart and Disney create customer loyalty that lasts a lifetime! In this episode of Payrollin', Matt is joined by Brittany Hodak, bestselling author, keynote speaker, and customer experience expert. Brittany has worked with some of the world’s biggest brands, in...
Random Acts of Sales Are Killing Your Pipeline (Fix It in 8 Touches) 05.11.2025 30:05
No more sales burnout! Learn how to set up a repeatable system that keeps your pipeline full and your business growing. In this episode of Payrollin’, Matt Vaadi shares the exact 8-touch sales campaign template he’s used to generate consistent payroll and PEO clients for 20 years. Whether your pipeline’s empty or you just want predictable leads every month, this step-by-step walkthrough shows you...
Alan Stein Jr. Shares the Key to Leading Through Life and Career Transitions 08.10.2025 59:21
In this episode of Payrollin', Matt Vaadi sits down with Alan Stein Jr., a renowned keynote speaker and former performance coach for NBA legends like Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, and Steph Curry. Topics Covered: The "Next Play" mindset and how it applies to business and leadership Leadership strategies learned from coaching NBA superstars How to manage change, both imposed and initiated, in your lif...
How Do I Build a High-Performing Sales Team for My Payroll Company? Scott Goldberg Explains 16.09.2025 48:35
📬 Stay informed with Payrollin’! Sign up for our newsletter and receive weekly payroll tips and strategies directly in your inbox: https://www.guhroo.co/payrollin-subscription/ In this episode of the Payrollin’ Podcast, Matt Vaadi sits down with Scott Goldberg, Chief Sales Officer at Dominion Payroll, to explore strategies that drive success during selling season in the payroll industry. Scott sh...
How Do Payroll Firms Make the Inc. 5000 List? Chris Caputo Reveals How Zuma Did It 4 Years in a Row 22.08.2025 47:36
What is needed for a payroll company to make the Inc. 5000 list and do it four years in a row? In this episode, Matt Vaadi sits down with Chris Caputo, CEO of Zuma Payroll, to uncover the strategies that helped his company earn a spot on the Inc. 5000 list four years running. From carving out a niche in construction and union payroll to going head-to-head with industry giants, Chris shares the min...
What Is the Easiest Way to Build an App Without a Developer? Watch It Done With AI 09.08.2025 28:21
Have an app idea but don’t know how to code? In this episode of Payrollin’, Matt Vaadi walks through how to build a real, working app in under 30 minutes using only AI tools like ChatGPT, Replit, and WhisperFlow. No coding experience needed. Learn how vibe coding works, how to prompt ChatGPT to build inside Replit, and how this AI-powered stack can replace tools like Trello, your CRM, or your clie...
Should Your PEO Add Accounting? Key Insights from G&A Partners & GrowthForce Aquisition 15.07.2025 23:33
G&A Partners just made a bold move by acquiring GrowthForce, a $9.7M accounting firm — and it could reshape the future of the payroll and HR industry. In this episode of Payrollin’, Matt Vaadi breaks down why this deal matters, what it means for PEOs, and how it might impact partnerships with accounting firms across the country. Is this the start of a vertical integration trend where payroll, HR,...
Why Am I Not Generating Quality Leads? Payroll Company Sales Tactics That Work With Chris Clark 10.06.2025 48:41
In this episode, Matt Vaadi and Chris Clark, Marketing Coach and Digital Media Expert at Underdog Sports, explore the evolving landscape of lead generation in 2025. They unpack four essential strategies every business should master: one-to-one cold outreach, one-to-one warm outreach, one-to-many cold methods like paid ads and free resources, and one-to-many warm tactics including organic content a...
What’s the Real ROI of Picking a Payroll Niche? Matt Umholtz Breaks It Down 03.06.2025 52:35
Matt Umholtz went from being employee G257 at a national payroll provider to building one of the most vertically focused payroll machines in the country. In this episode, he joins Matt Vaadi to share how one McDonald’s client led to thousands more—and why most payroll companies never unlock that kind of momentum. They dive into the decision to niche hard into restaurants and multi-location brands,...
AI, Automation, and Outsourcing: A Deep Dive into the Latest Payroll Industry Trends 12.05.2025 25:15
In this episode of Payrollin', Matt Vaadi explores how AI, automation, and outsourcing are transforming payroll and business operations. He discusses how ADP and Justworks are using these technologies to boost efficiency and reduce costs, and introduces his new business venture, Outsourced Scale, which is revolutionizing operations with virtual assistants and automation. Matt also shares insights...
How Are Payroll Companies Growing in 2025? Takeaways from the Independent Payroll Providers Association Spring Summit with Jason Gullett 28.03.2025 1:02:30
Join Matt and Jason Gullett, Director of Client Success at guHRoo, as they break down their biggest takeaways from the 2025 Independent Payroll Providers Association (IPPA) Spring Summit. From leadership lessons and first payroll stress to AI adoption, offboarding best practices, and real-world insights from industry legends like Farsheed Ferdowsi and Jeb Blount—this episode is packed with tactica...
Can You Build a $13M Payroll Business Without a Sales Team? Lori Brown Tells All 20.02.2025 55:38
In this episode of the Payrollin’ Podcast, Lori Brown, CEO of PayNW, shares the strategies, challenges, and lessons that propelled her payroll company to grow from $500K to $13M in just a few years. She discusses the pivotal role acquisitions and industry relationships played in their growth, along with the hard-earned lessons from a costly sales experiment that didn’t go as planned. Lori also h...
EOS Didn't Work for Us: The Alternatives we Like for 2025 29.01.2025 39:16
Welcome to the first episode of Payrollin' for 2025! 🚀 In this episode, Matt Vaadi explains why guHRoo decided to leave the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) behind and shares their game-changing strategies for 2025 planning. From innovative AI tools that streamline operations to his must-read book pick for entrepreneurs and a personal goal-setting process, Matt offers actionable insights to...
The Realities of Starting and Running a Payroll Company with John “'JMS” Mason-Smith 12.11.2024 56:04
In this Payrollin’ episode, Matt explores the realities of starting and scaling a payroll business with John “JMS” Mason-Smith, CEO and Co-Founder of HireWith. John shares his journey of building, growing, and exiting a payroll company, offering insights into client needs, operational challenges, and competing with industry giants. They also discuss key steps for newcomers, including financial pl...
The Future of the Payments Industry with Eli Polanco 30.08.2024 1:01:54
In this episode of Payrollin', Matt sits down with Eli Polanco, the innovative founder and CEO of Nivelo, to explore the rapidly evolving world of payroll payments. Eli shares her entrepreneurial journey, detailing how she transitioned from a career in banking technology to solving complex payment issues in the payroll industry. Together, they discuss the challenges of building a startup in a high...
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