Max Shen

Pain Points with Max Shen

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Are you a brain in a body, or a body with a brain? What does the nervous system have to do with chronic pain? How do we 'debug' pain? Join Max as he explores the relationship between pain and insight. Featuring scientists, pioneers in somatic therapy, and those who have recovered from chronic pain. Max Shen is a pain researcher affiliated with MIT. He is also the creator of Debug Your Pain, a platform to teach skills in pain resolution. A production of Debug Your Pain. Read our latest at essays.debugyourpain.com essays.debugyourpain.com

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Max Shen

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Jun 13, 2026

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Doug Tataryn on a Physiological Basis for Repression 13.06.2026

Dr. Douglas J. Tataryn is a psychologist and researcher whose work spans hypnosis, emotion, chronic pain, meditation, and complementary medicine. He received his Ph. D. in clinical psychology in 1991 from the University of Arizona, then spent ten years as a research professor with the University of Manitoba, before entering private practice in 2001 to focus on his Bio-Emotive Framework. In this co...

Gay Hendricks on somatics, Sarno, and the Yes Breath 11.06.2026

Gay Hendricks is a psychologist, somatic practitioner, and author of dozens of books including Conscious Loving and Conscious Breathing. After earning his PhD at Stanford and teaching psychology at the University of Colorado, Gay went on to develop his own approach integrating breathwork, movement, emotional awareness, and conscious relationship practice. In this conversation we talk about his ent...

Simon Cox on the Subtle Body 21.05.2026

Simon Cox is a scholar and practitioner whose work traces the history of the subtle body across Taoist, Tibetan, medical, alchemical, and Western esoteric traditions. He studied history at Oxford, spent six years training in a Taoist context at Wudang Mountain, and later wrote his dissertation at Rice on the genealogy of the subtle body . In this conversation, we talk about internal maps of the bo...

Dr Thomas Pollak on Balinese witch doctors and therapeutic resets for chronic illness 19.03.2026

A couple of months ago, I gave a presentation the set point theory of chronic illness, it was an attempt to use a new language, the language of cybernetics to shift out of this mind body duality when talking about illness. The inspiration for this presentation was a paper by. Dr. Tom Pollock and Mike Levin. fter reading the paper and giving the presentation, I decided to reach out to the lead auth...

Elena Lake on Learning Subtle Bodywork 23.01.2026

Elena Lake was a math major at MIT who later transitioned from her software engineering career into bodywork. We talk about her journey, and the role of perception in bodywork. Episode Outline — Elena Lake: From Engineering to Regenerative Touch 00:00:00 Introduction and Early Background 00:01:00 Trauma, Mental Health, and Limits of Talk Therapy 00:02:00 First Encounters with Touch and Somatic Rel...

The Set Point Theory of Chronic Illness 16.12.2025

This past weekend, inspired by a recent preprint from Thomas Pollak, Mike Levin, et al, I gave a talk on how cybernetic models (predictive processing, dynamical systems, homeostasis/allostasis) are a hugely powerful lens to understate the current epidemic of the recent rise in chronic illness. You can watch the video while looking at the slides here , or read the essay version below: Here’s the es...

Howard Schubiner on Therapies for Pain 03.12.2025

We’ve known for decades about culture-bound syndromes that just seem so weird and only occur in a small subculture. Like men in South Central Asia who get the idea that they have semen loss and their semen loss is making them weak and tired... and we go ‘that’s crazy’. But how do we know that back pain isn’t our culture-bound syndrome? Today I’m talking with Dr. Howard Schubiner, who’s one of the...

Avi Grinberg on Pain as a Knife You Resist 25.10.2025

If there is a sharp knife pressing into my hand, and let’s call it pain, if I resist, resist it, and hate it and want it gone, I stick the knife deeper in my hand. Try to push it away, okay. Deeper. Now if I relax my hand, okay, it’s a totally different experience. Now, this is like the ABC of dealing with pain. Not focusing on the pain, but focusing what you do against the pain. Because the gener...

David Chapman on Debugging Illness and Health 12.09.2025

In this episode of Pain Points, I’m speaking with David Chapman, a writer and thinker whose work on meaning, meta-rationality, and science has been the most important education I received outside of MIT. David was a prominent AI researcher in the late 1980s and later a startup founder, but for decades he has written deeply about philosophy, systems, and what he calls “ meta-rationality .” In this...

Jozef Frucek on Active Inference, Tai Chi, and the Future of Health 11.08.2025

In this episode of Pain Points, I’m speaking with Jozef Frucek, a dear mentor of mine and a pioneer in the world of movement. He uses embodied cognition to combine ideas from Tai Chi, wrestling, and physical theater to create a wholly unique approach to movement that he calls the Fighting Monkey Practice. We recently finished a paper called Beyond Biomechanics, Fighting Monkey and the Enactive Inf...

Michael Levin on Pain as Agent, Healing as Alignment 29.07.2025

“ We try to think about things from the perspective of the state itself. We too are a temporary metabolic pattern, and we have we have mental states and memories and goals and preferences and thoughts and so on. I think of all of these things as a continuum, [William James] said that ‘thoughts are thinkers too’, and it's a spectrum. We are also patterns, and we spawn off other patterns and there's...

Bren Veziroglu on Teaching Tasks, Not Techniques 03.07.2025

Bren’s documentary is out! Watch here More on health, movement, and becoming the whole collective intelligence you are at essays.debugyourpain.com 00:00:00 Introduction — Movement Without Reductionism 00:01:00 From Stanford Biochemistry to Movement Coaching 00:03:00 Traditional Training: Isolate, Integrate, Improvise 00:06:00 Why Transfer Fails in Traditional Models 00:09:00 Ecological Dynamics in...

A Paradigm Change in Biology 21.06.2025

essays.debugyourpain.com ## Timestamps 00:00:00 Introduction - The Coming Paradigm Change in Biology   00:02:00 The Biomedical Paradigm: Materialism, Reductionism, and Dualism   00:05:00 How Pain Is Usually Explained (And Why It's Wrong)   00:07:00 Problems with Materialism, Reductionism, Dualism 00:12:00 Pain Without Damage, Damage Without Pain   00:15:00 The Alternative: Biological Computati...

Do we learn tension? 05.04.2025

This is a 15-minute excerpt from a conversation I had with Chris Lakin A few quotes: Oftentimes people learn to do some self-loathing thing. And the consequence of that is you make yourself smaller either physically or you just do less things. People see you less often and see you as less of a threat. And then you get into fewer conflicts with them. And if you are optimizing for having as few conf...

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