Overruled by Data

What does it actually take to get 70-80% of attorneys using AI every month? In this episode, Tim Fox, Chief Data and AI Officer at Ogletree Deakins, makes the case that adoption isn't a byproduct of a great tool - it's a strategy in itself. Tim shares his journey from mailman to litigator to C-suite AI strategist, and breaks down how Ogletree Deakins moved past the hype cycle to hit usage numbers...

How do you build a law firm data platform that actually gets used, and know when it’s time to evolve beyond it? In this episode, Reanna Martinez, Director of Innovation, Systems, and Data at Munger, Tolles & Olson LLP, shares the firm’s multi-year journey building a modern, cloud-based data lakehouse on Azure. From standardizing data at the point of entry to consolidating employee, financial,...

How do you turn legal data into a modern platform that powers analytics, self-service, and AI across one of the nation’s most innovative law firms? In this episode, Lisa Mayo Haynes, Senior Director of Technology Innovation, and Ian Lopez, Manager of Technology and Innovative Solutions at Ballard Spahr LLP, share how the firm modernized its data warehouse into a lakehouse that unites structured an...

How do you turn legal data into trusted insight across one of the world’s largest law firms? In this episode, Jennifer Mapp, Senior Director of Data Management and Analytics at Morgan, Lewis & Bockius LLP, shares how her team built a firmwide data foundation that empowers attorneys and business leaders to make faster, smarter decisions. From launching business intelligence dashboards that repl...

What makes a modern data platform actually work inside a law firm? In this episode, Mark Thorogood, Director of Enterprise Data Operations & Software Engineering at Perkins Coie LLP, breaks down how his team moved beyond on-prem constraints to a DIY lakehouse and logical data fabric that unify insights across the firm. Drawing on lessons from the army and time at sea, Mark explains why standar...

What good is a dashboard if no one’s using it? In this episode, Jeannine Zito, senior manager of global knowledge solutions at Cleary Gottlieb, talks about how her background in banking shaped the way she thinks about data, strategy, and transformation inside major law firms. She gets into what happens when firms wait too long for the “perfect” data strategy, how information overload slows down ad...

What makes a data strategy actually work inside a law firm? In this episode, Carrie Remhof, Director of Firm Intelligence at Troutman Pepper Locke LLP, shares what she’s learned from building, implementing, and reimagining legal data systems across 30+ firms. She talks about the real reasons legal tech projects succeed or stall, why data perfection is a myth, and how firms can adopt a “fail fast”...

What happens when data, clients, and people finally connect? In this episode, Rachel Shields Williams, Director of Client Intelligence at Sidley Austin LLP and incoming president of the Legal Marketing Association, shares how a lifelong instinct to “just help people” evolved into one of the most forward-thinking data roles in big law. Rachel explains why chasing perfection kills progress, what law...

What good is all that data if no one’s using it to take action? In this episode, Evan Shenkman and Jennifer Mendez of Fisher Phillips break down what it really means to build a data-driven culture inside a law firm. They share how their team went from buzzwords to business impact: rolling out viral dashboards, tapping into firm-wide buy-in, and partnering with vendors to co-develop tools powered b...

You can’t manage what you’re not measuring. In this episode, Robert Sartin, chairman of Frost Brown Todd, shares how his background in economics, finance, and distressed M&A led him to champion a data-forward strategy long before it became industry standard. He talks about why law firms can’t afford to delay their data journeys, what it takes to turn firm-wide strategy into execution, and how...

Overruled by Data is the podcast for law firms looking to accelerate their data journey without all the pain points.  Hosted by Tom Baldwin and brought to you by Entegrata, each episode shares real-world stories from law firm leaders who’ve tackled the tough stuff—getting data from all the right places, navigating the AI hype, and scaling operations in a way that doesn’t leave you with a mountain...