Out Of Programme
Out Of Programme
The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.
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Jun 30, 2026
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Episode 34: Dr Alastair Darwood on Selling a Startup in FY1, Licensing Medical Device IP Instead of Building Companies, and Why He Never Runs the Businesses He Creates 30.06.2026 49:11
What happens when a medical student sells a surgical robotics startup before finishing FY1 — and then spends the next decade inventing devices he deliberately never runs? In this episode, we speak with Dr Alastair Darwood , a medical doctor with a bioengineering PhD who has built a career as an inventor and entrepreneur across medical devices, consumer hardware, and cycling technology. From orthop...
Episode 33: Dr Guy Northover on Leading CAMHS Digital Transformation, Managing Conflict of Interest as a Clinician-Founder, and Why the NHS Needs Senior Leaders to Start Companies 16.06.2026 49:32
What happens when a Consultant Psychiatrist, NHS Digital Exemplar leader, and GIRFT national lead decides the only way to truly fix children's mental health services is to leave the NHS and build an AI startup? In this episode, we speak with Dr Guy Northover , Consultant in Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, Chief Clinical Information Officer at Berkshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust, and co-...
Episode 32: Dr Meenakshi Jhala on Why Clinicians Make the Best Investors, Building a Clinician-Led Angel Syndicate, and How to Break Into Healthcare VC 02.06.2026 40:06
What happens when a GP trainee with zero finance knowledge decides to break into healthcare VC — and ends up co-founding a clinician-led angel syndicate? In this episode, we speak with Dr Meenakshi Jhala , NIHR Academic Clinical Fellow at King's College London, Chief of Staff at Syntax, and co-founder of Tiny Ventures and DX Capital — a clinician-led angel syndicate dedicated to funding the in...
Episode 31: Dr Dom Pimenta on Why NHS IT Systems Fail, Building AI That Actually Helps Clinicians, and the Gap Between Innovation and Implementation 19.05.2026 1:00:17
What happens when a cardiologist realises NHS IT is failing patients — and decides to build an AI clinician that actually listens? In this episode, we speak with Dr Dom Pimenta , a former NHS cardiologist who left clinical practice to co-found Tortus AI, an intelligent ambient voice interface for clinicians backed by Entrepreneur First and Khosla Ventures. 🏥 Why Dom's Catholic upbringing and...
Episode 30: Dr Rishi Das-Gupta on the journey to becoming an NHS Trust Chief Innovation Officer and Scaling System Change Across South London 05.05.2026 51:24
What happens when a doctor spends a decade at McKinsey, returns to the NHS, and creates a Chief Innovation Officer role from scratch? In this episode, we speak with Dr Rishi Das-Gupta , former Chief Innovation Officer at Royal Brompton Hospital and now CEO of Health Innovation Network South London and DigitalHealth. London. He shares how he went from covering the whole hospital overnight as a juni...
Episode 29: Dr James Somauroo on a Near-Miss £40M Fund, Why Doctors Make Better Marketers, and Building SomX with His Wife 21.04.2026 47:19
What if the path to your true calling isn't through following expectations, but through recognising where your real talents lie? In this episode, we speak with Dr James Somauroo , former anaesthetist turned health tech entrepreneur, who transformed his realisation that he was "better at fixing the system than treating patients" into a remarkable career building the infrastructure for...
Episode 28: Dr Farzana Rahman on Building a Radiologist-Led Team, Why Junior Doctors Thrive in Startups, and Hexarad's Series B Growth 07.04.2026 52:29
What happens when four radiologists decide to build a health tech company while still working clinically – and end up raising Series B funding while hiring junior doctors into non-clinical roles? In this episode, we speak with Dr Farzana Rahman , a consultant radiologist and CEO of Hexarad, a technology and services company that helps hospitals deliver faster and more efficient radiology reporting...
Episode 27: Dr Paul Jewell on Teaching Himself Code, Taking a "Grave Mistake" Career Break, and Building AI Tools for Clinicians 24.03.2026 44:11
What happens when a burned-out registrar ignores consultant warnings and teaches himself code—then builds AI tools that bridge clinical care and startup innovation? In this episode, we speak with Dr Paul Jewell , a medical doctor and health tech entrepreneur who co-founded Assuric, a compliance platform for digital health companies, whilst continuing to work as a locum clinician. 🏥 The family leg...
Episode 26: Dr Tom Chambers on Finding a Niche in Sleep Medicine and Building a New Digital Pathway 17.03.2026 50:47
What happens when an anaesthetist with a passion for physiology discovers the world of sleep medicine — and decides to build a tech startup to solve one of healthcare's biggest undiagnosed problems? In this episode, we speak with Dr Tom Chambers , an anaesthetist, sleep medicine specialist, and co-founder of Theta Sleep. Tom shares his journey from traditional medical training to founding a he...
Episode 25: Dr Johann Malawala on Leading the 2016 Junior Doctors Strike and Building a Global Medical Education Empire 03.03.2026 1:03:29
What happens when a junior doctor leads the biggest NHS dispute in a generation — and then builds a global medical education organisation? In this episode, we speak with Dr Johann Malawana , an obstetrician and former chair of the BMA's Junior Doctors Committee during the high-profile 2015-2016 contract dispute. He is now the founder and CEO of Medics. Academy, a global health education compan...
Episode 24: Ryan Kerstein on Turning a Dirty Tourniquet into a Global Business, Pivoting to Management Consulting, and Championing Surgical Innovation Nationally 18.02.2026 47:02
What happens when two medical students spot a dirty tourniquet, build a single-use alternative that sells 75 million units globally — and one of them still operates every week as an NHS consultant plastic surgeon? In this episode, we speak with Ryan Kerstein , a consultant plastic surgeon and Associate Medical Director for Research and Innovation at Buckinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust. Ryan leads...
Episode 23: Dr Fiona Pathiraja-Moller on Taking Back Agency, Learning from 100+ HealthTech Investments, and Giving Back through Philanthropy 03.02.2026 40:08
What happens when a radiologist leaves clinical practice to become a HealthTech investor, backing 100+ startups, and championing philanthropy in healthcare? In this episode, we speak with Dr Fiona Pathiraja-Moller , a former NHS radiologist turned HealthTech investor and managing partner of Christa Gali Ventures, a European investment fund backing early-stage HealthTech startups. Fiona is also a...
Episode 22: Dr Jonathan King on Overcoming Cystic Fibrosis to Become a Doctor, Turning Patient Experience into Innovation, and Founding Medical Ease 20.01.2026 49:14
What happens when a doctor with cystic fibrosis, who was once told he may not be able to cope with the rigours of medicine, not only becomes a doctor but also founds a MedTech company aimed at improving patient experience? In this episode, we speak with Dr Jonathan King, a gastroenterology registrar, NHS clinical entrepreneur fellow, and founder of Medical Ease. Jonathan shares his extraordinary p...
Episode 21: Dr Derrick Khor on Becoming a HealthTech Creator, Connecting Clinicians at Scale, and Founding the Medical Consulting Group 07.01.2026 48:20
From a junior doctor to a prominent HealthTech voice and founder – how did Dr. Derrick Khor build a thriving medical consulting group and become a go-to expert for health innovation? In this episode, we sit down with Dr Derrick Khor , a clinical oncology doctor, HealthTech connector, and founder of the Medical Consulting Group. He shares his incredible journey from a self-proclaimed "pure me...
Episode 20: Dr Ruby Wang on Joining the Foreign Office during the Pandemic, Founding a Global Consultancy and Shaping UK–China Health Diplomacy 23.12.2025 51:37
From the NHS front lines to health diplomacy and global consulting: How does a doctor navigate a non-linear career path, bridging East and West in health innovation? In this episode, we speak with Dr Ruby Wang , a doctor and former Head of Health for China in the Foreign Office, now Director of Lintris – an award-winning consultancy bridging China and the West on health policy, biopharma, and med...
Episode 19: Dr Benjamin de Viaris on Moving from French to UK Healthtech, Founding Cellen & Leva Clinic, and Pioneering Obstetric Surgical Innovation in the NHS 09.12.2025 58:09
What does it take to move from French to UK healthtech, found not one, but two pioneering healthtech companies, and innovate obstetric surgical practice within the NHS? In this episode, we speak with Dr Benjamin de Viaris , a women's health consultant and healthtech entrepreneur with a career spanning both France and the UK. He is the co-founder of Cellen, a pioneering platform for personalis...
Episode 18: Dr Henry Carleton on Pioneering NHS SaaS, Scaling Without VC, and Bootstrapping to a Double Exit 25.11.2025 1:01:10
What happens when a junior doctor builds a SaaS business for the NHS before SaaS was even a thing? In this episode, we sit down with Dr Henry Carleton — founder of Circadian and Four Eyes Insight , two healthcare software companies that changed the face of workforce and theatre productivity in the NHS. Both exited successfully, setting a blueprint for clinician-led innovation long before the...
Episode 17: Dr Victoria Bakare on Starting in Global Health, Becoming an NHS Medical Director, and Founding Occuvia Health 11.11.2025 47:48
From WHO internships to NHS executive leadership — with a startup in the mix. In this episode, we speak with Dr Victoria Bakare , a GP whose career spans global health roles at the WHO, UN, and World Bank , a leadership position as Associate Medical Director at Kent Community NHS Foundation Trust , and the founding of Occuvia Health , a mission-driven occupational health company supporting cha...
Episode 16: Dr Say Vivekanantham on NHS Frustration, Building a Property Empire and Founding a PropTech Startup 28.10.2025 42:33
What happens when a junior doctor turns a single flat into 50 properties — and then builds a platform to fix the broken home-buying system? In this episode, we speak with Dr Sayinthen Vivekanantham , a former NHS doctor who left clinical training to pursue property investing, eventually founding Homi , a fast-growing PropTech startup reshaping how real estate agents, solicitors, and buyers colla...
Episode 15: Dr Zahra Safarfashandi on Breaking into Consulting, Leading in the Middle East, and Balancing Ambition with Intention 14.10.2025 37:57
What drives a doctor to swap the wards for boardrooms—and end up leading healthcare strategy across the Middle East? In this episode, we sit down with Dr Zahra Safarfashandi , now Partner at Carnall Farrar, to unpack her bold move from medicine into consulting and her rise to leadership on a global stage. From overcoming family hesitations to pitching to hospital boards on day one, Zahra shares th...
Episode 14: Dr Lucy Marples on Moving from Health Policy into Clinical Practice, Navigating Startup Chaos, and Working with the UK’s Leading Health Tech Companies 30.09.2025 36:43
Dr Lucy Marples has had one of the most unconventional career journeys in medicine — starting in philosophy and health policy, before training as a doctor in her 30s, and then working at some of the UK’s biggest health tech companies. In this episode we explore: 📚 Why she left health policy to retrain as a doctor 🏥 What it was like starting medical school a decade later than her peers 🚀 Lessons...
Episode 13: Ash Patel on the Beginnings of Babylon, Serendipity in Venture Capital, and Pivoting into Investment Banking 16.09.2025 1:01:46
What does it take to leave anaesthetics behind and reimagine your career in the world of finance? In this episode, we speak with Dr Ash Patel – an anaesthetist turned Managing Director at Houlihan Lokey. Ash shares his extraordinary journey from the wards of the NHS to the early founding days of Babylon Health , through venture capital at Mercia and Optum Ventures , and finally to investment banki...
Episode 12: Dr Alice McGee on Rebuilding After Burnout, Breaking into FemTech, and Turning a Setback into a Startup 02.09.2025 46:20
What happens when a torn ligament becomes the turning point in your clinical career? In this episode, we speak with Dr Alice McGee – a former obstetrics trainee who left traditional training behind to found Mara Health , advise global FemTech companies like Flow , and lead one of the fastest-growing communities for emerging health tech leaders, GXGN . Alice opens up about the identity crisis...
Episode 11: From RAF Doctor to Downing Street, Teaching the British Military How to Code, and Building an AI Startup 21.08.2025 57:34
What happens when you turn military medicine into a launchpad for tech innovation? In this episode, we speak with Dr James Kuht – an RAF doctor whose career has taken him from flying with the Royal Air Force to advising the Prime Minister in No.10, teaching thousands of British military personnel how to code, and founding Pear , an AI skills platform now used worldwide. We dive into: ✈️ Trainin...
Episode 10 – Azeem Alam on Songwriting in LA, Building BiteLabs and Balancing Startups with Radiology 05.08.2025 54:23
What do you do when the surgical dream no longer fits - and the music industry calls? In this episode, we speak with Dr Azeem Alam , clinical radiology registrar and co-founder of BiteWorld - the company behind the highly acclaimed BiteLabs Fellowship , which helps clinicians transition into health tech careers. From writing heartbreak ballads in his teens to working with Top 40 artists in LA,...
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