Out Of Programme

Out Of Programme

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The Out Of Programme (OOP) podcast shines a spotlight on clinicians who have ventured beyond the traditional path of clinical training to forge unique and unconventional careers. Hosted by Dr Jing Ouyang, this series delves into the diverse backgrounds, driving motivations and transformative moments that shaped their journeys outside the realm of medicine. Whether you’re a clinician curious about life beyond the white coat or simply fascinated by stories of bold career reinvention, this podcast offers inspiring conversations and thought-provoking insights that go beyond the ordinary.

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Oct 6, 2026

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Episodes

Episode 41: Dr Shantanu Kundu on Founding a Mental Health Charity at 15, Becoming the First Episode 41: LTFT Foundation Doctor, and Building Innovation Inside Alder Hey. 06.10.2026

What happens when a 15-year-old starts a mental health blog to survive stigma, and a decade later is still running the national charity it became, while becoming the first LTFT foundation doctor in his hospital and building innovation inside Alder Hey? In this episode, we speak with Dr Shantanu Kundu , foundation doctor, Chief Executive of the Be Free Campaign, NHS Clinical Entrepreneur, and innov...

Episode 40: Beating the Odds from Kenya to UK Medicine, Becoming a GP and Building Healthcare AI Agents at Antler 22.09.2026

What happens when one of 15,000 applicants wins a scholarship from Kenya to UCL Medicine — then rebuilds her idea of “scale” from the GP surgery to agentic AI? In this episode, we speak with Dr Sheliza Darvesh , GP, former Babylon clinical ops lead, and co-founder & COO of Conversico, building an agentic AI operating layer for healthcare (starting with a voice receptionist) as an Antler entrep...

Episode 39: Dr Hatim Abdulhussein on Becoming an AI Professor With No PhD, Setting Up the Topol Fellowship, and Leading a Health Innovation Network 08.09.2026

What happens when an "average medical student" co-founds the Topol Programme, becomes an AI professor without a PhD, and rises to run a health innovation network while still seeing patients every Friday? In this episode, we speak with Dr Hatim Abdulhussein , a GP who became CEO of Health Innovation Kent Surrey Sussex and Honorary Professor of Innovation and AI at the University of Surrey...

Episode 38: Dr David Montgomery on Pharmaceutical Medicine, Running for Parliament, and the Freedom of Founding His Own Consultancy 25.08.2026

What happens when a surgical trainee and former parliamentary candidate pivots into pharmaceutical medicine, rises to global VP, and then walks away to found his own consultancy on his own terms? In this episode, we speak with Dr David Montgomery , a consultant in pharmaceutical medicine, former global VP at Pfizer, and co-founder of PM Life Sciences, a pharmaceutical advisory firm and consultancy...

Episode 37: Dr Patrick Doyle on Surviving Everest, Bootstrapping L2P Into a Leading NHS Platform, and Life After Acquisition 11.08.2026

What happens when a South African anaesthetist survives cerebral oedema on Everest, bootstraps an NHS appraisal platform with no external funding, and sells it to one of the UK's fastest-growing health tech companies? In this episode, we speak with Dr Patrick Doyle , a consultant anaesthetist who founded L2P — the leading platform for job planning, appraisals and revalidation — which was acqui...

Episode 36: Dr Nick Appelbaum on How Lord Darzi Changed His Career, Building the First Machine-Readable BNF, and Why Academic Projects Die Without Commercial Infrastructure 29.07.2026

What happens when a South African surgeon gets plucked out by Lord Darzi, builds the first machine-readable BNF, and spins a company out of Imperial that reduces prescribing errors by 83%? In this episode, we speak with Dr Nick Appelbaum , a surgeon turned entrepreneur who went from inventing spreadsheet-based prescribing safety tools in South Africa to completing a PhD with Lord Ara Darzi at Impe...

Episode 35: Cosima Gretton on Leaving Medicine for Silicon Valley, Why Product Thinking Is the Opposite of Medical Training, and Scaling the UK's Biggest Health Research Programme 14.07.2026

What happens when a doctor trained in experimental psychology leaves medicine in F2, builds products in Silicon Valley, runs a £10M/day COVID testing programme, and becomes Chief Product Officer of the UK's largest health research study? In this episode, we speak with Dr Cosima Gretton , a medical doctor who left clinical practice to pursue product management in the US, served as Deputy Direct...

Episode 34: Dr Alastair Darwood on Selling a Startup in FY1, Licensing Medical Device IP Instead of Building Companies, and Why He Never Runs the Businesses He Creates 30.06.2026

What happens when a medical student sells a surgical robotics startup before finishing FY1 — and then spends the next decade inventing devices he deliberately never runs? In this episode, we speak with Dr Alastair Darwood , a medical doctor with a bioengineering PhD who has built a career as an inventor and entrepreneur across medical devices, consumer hardware, and cycling technology. From orthop...

Episode 33: Dr Guy Northover on Leading CAMHS Digital Transformation, Managing Conflict of Interest as a Clinician-Founder, and Why the NHS Needs Senior Leaders to Start Companies 16.06.2026

What happens when a Consultant Psychiatrist, NHS Digital Exemplar leader, and GIRFT national lead decides the only way to truly fix children's mental health services is to leave the NHS and build an AI startup? In this episode, we speak with Dr Guy Northover , Consultant in Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, Chief Clinical Information Officer at Berkshire Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust, and co-...

Episode 32: Dr Meenakshi Jhala on Why Clinicians Make the Best Investors, Building a Clinician-Led Angel Syndicate, and How to Break Into Healthcare VC 02.06.2026

What happens when a GP trainee with zero finance knowledge decides to break into healthcare VC — and ends up co-founding a clinician-led angel syndicate? In this episode, we speak with Dr Meenakshi Jhala , NIHR Academic Clinical Fellow at King's College London, Chief of Staff at Syntax, and co-founder of Tiny Ventures and DX Capital — a clinician-led angel syndicate dedicated to funding the in...

Episode 31: Dr Dom Pimenta on Why NHS IT Systems Fail, Building AI That Actually Helps Clinicians, and the Gap Between Innovation and Implementation 19.05.2026

What happens when a cardiologist realises NHS IT is failing patients — and decides to build an AI clinician that actually listens? In this episode, we speak with Dr Dom Pimenta , a former NHS cardiologist who left clinical practice to co-found Tortus AI, an intelligent ambient voice interface for clinicians backed by Entrepreneur First and Khosla Ventures. 🏥 Why Dom's Catholic upbringing and...

Episode 30: Dr Rishi Das-Gupta on the journey to becoming an NHS Trust Chief Innovation Officer and Scaling System Change Across South London 05.05.2026

What happens when a doctor spends a decade at McKinsey, returns to the NHS, and creates a Chief Innovation Officer role from scratch? In this episode, we speak with Dr Rishi Das-Gupta , former Chief Innovation Officer at Royal Brompton Hospital and now CEO of Health Innovation Network South London and DigitalHealth. London. He shares how he went from covering the whole hospital overnight as a juni...

Episode 29: Dr James Somauroo on a Near-Miss £40M Fund, Why Doctors Make Better Marketers, and Building SomX with His Wife 21.04.2026

What if the path to your true calling isn't through following expectations, but through recognising where your real talents lie? In this episode, we speak with Dr James Somauroo , former anaesthetist turned health tech entrepreneur, who transformed his realisation that he was "better at fixing the system than treating patients" into a remarkable career building the infrastructure for...

Episode 28: Dr Farzana Rahman on Building a Radiologist-Led Team, Why Junior Doctors Thrive in Startups, and Hexarad's Series B Growth 07.04.2026

What happens when four radiologists decide to build a health tech company while still working clinically – and end up raising Series B funding while hiring junior doctors into non-clinical roles? In this episode, we speak with Dr Farzana Rahman , a consultant radiologist and CEO of Hexarad, a technology and services company that helps hospitals deliver faster and more efficient radiology reporting...

Episode 27: Dr Paul Jewell on Teaching Himself Code, Taking a "Grave Mistake" Career Break, and Building AI Tools for Clinicians 24.03.2026

What happens when a burned-out registrar ignores consultant warnings and teaches himself code—then builds AI tools that bridge clinical care and startup innovation? In this episode, we speak with Dr Paul Jewell , a medical doctor and health tech entrepreneur who co-founded Assuric, a compliance platform for digital health companies, whilst continuing to work as a locum clinician. 🏥 The family leg...

Episode 26: Dr Tom Chambers on Finding a Niche in Sleep Medicine and Building a New Digital Pathway 17.03.2026

What happens when an anaesthetist with a passion for physiology discovers the world of sleep medicine — and decides to build a tech startup to solve one of healthcare's biggest undiagnosed problems? In this episode, we speak with Dr Tom Chambers , an anaesthetist, sleep medicine specialist, and co-founder of Theta Sleep. Tom shares his journey from traditional medical training to founding a he...

Episode 25: Dr Johann Malawala on Leading the 2016 Junior Doctors Strike and Building a Global Medical Education Empire 03.03.2026

What happens when a junior doctor leads the biggest NHS dispute in a generation — and then builds a global medical education organisation? In this episode, we speak with Dr Johann Malawana , an obstetrician and former chair of the BMA's Junior Doctors Committee during the high-profile 2015-2016 contract dispute. He is now the founder and CEO of Medics. Academy, a global health education compan...

Episode 24: Ryan Kerstein on Turning a Dirty Tourniquet into a Global Business, Pivoting to Management Consulting, and Championing Surgical Innovation Nationally 18.02.2026

What happens when two medical students spot a dirty tourniquet, build a single-use alternative that sells 75 million units globally — and one of them still operates every week as an NHS consultant plastic surgeon? In this episode, we speak with Ryan Kerstein , a consultant plastic surgeon and Associate Medical Director for Research and Innovation at Buckinghamshire Healthcare NHS Trust. Ryan leads...

Episode 23: Dr Fiona Pathiraja-Moller on Taking Back Agency, Learning from 100+ HealthTech Investments, and Giving Back through Philanthropy 03.02.2026

What happens when a radiologist leaves clinical practice to become a HealthTech investor, backing 100+ startups, and championing philanthropy in healthcare? In this episode, we speak with  Dr Fiona Pathiraja-Moller , a former NHS radiologist turned HealthTech investor and managing partner of Christa Gali Ventures, a European investment fund backing early-stage HealthTech startups. Fiona is also a...

Episode 22: Dr Jonathan King on Overcoming Cystic Fibrosis to Become a Doctor, Turning Patient Experience into Innovation, and Founding Medical Ease 20.01.2026

What happens when a doctor with cystic fibrosis, who was once told he may not be able to cope with the rigours of medicine, not only becomes a doctor but also founds a MedTech company aimed at improving patient experience? In this episode, we speak with Dr Jonathan King, a gastroenterology registrar, NHS clinical entrepreneur fellow, and founder of Medical Ease. Jonathan shares his extraordinary p...

Episode 21: Dr Derrick Khor on Becoming a HealthTech Creator, Connecting Clinicians at Scale, and Founding the Medical Consulting Group 07.01.2026

From a junior doctor to a prominent HealthTech voice and founder – how did Dr. Derrick Khor build a thriving medical consulting group and become a go-to expert for health innovation? In this episode, we sit down with  Dr Derrick Khor , a clinical oncology doctor, HealthTech connector, and founder of the Medical Consulting Group. He shares his incredible journey from a self-proclaimed "pure me...

Episode 20: Dr Ruby Wang on Joining the Foreign Office during the Pandemic, Founding a Global Consultancy and Shaping UK–China Health Diplomacy 23.12.2025

From the NHS front lines to health diplomacy and global consulting: How does a doctor navigate a non-linear career path, bridging East and West in health innovation? In this episode, we speak with  Dr Ruby Wang , a doctor and former Head of Health for China in the Foreign Office, now Director of Lintris – an award-winning consultancy bridging China and the West on health policy, biopharma, and med...

Episode 19: Dr Benjamin de Viaris on Moving from French to UK Healthtech, Founding Cellen & Leva Clinic, and Pioneering Obstetric Surgical Innovation in the NHS 09.12.2025

What does it take to move from French to UK healthtech, found not one, but two pioneering healthtech companies, and innovate obstetric surgical practice within the NHS? In this episode, we speak with  Dr Benjamin de Viaris , a women's health consultant and healthtech entrepreneur with a career spanning both France and the UK. He is the co-founder of Cellen, a pioneering platform for personalis...

Episode 18: Dr Henry Carleton on Pioneering NHS SaaS, Scaling Without VC, and Bootstrapping to a Double Exit 25.11.2025

What happens when a junior doctor builds a SaaS business for the NHS before SaaS was even a thing? In this episode, we sit down with  Dr Henry Carleton  — founder of  Circadian  and  Four Eyes Insight , two healthcare software companies that changed the face of workforce and theatre productivity in the NHS. Both exited successfully, setting a blueprint for clinician-led innovation long before the...

Episode 17: Dr Victoria Bakare on Starting in Global Health, Becoming an NHS Medical Director, and Founding Occuvia Health 11.11.2025

From WHO internships to NHS executive leadership — with a startup in the mix. In this episode, we speak with  Dr Victoria Bakare , a GP whose career spans global health roles at the  WHO, UN, and World Bank , a leadership position as  Associate Medical Director at Kent Community NHS Foundation Trust , and the founding of  Occuvia Health , a mission-driven occupational health company supporting cha...

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