The Coming Home Network: A Network of Catholic Converts
On the Journey
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim came from two very different theological backgrounds, but they both ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.
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Jun 24, 2026
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Our 200th Episode, and a Look Back... - On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny 24.06.2026 1:02:40
A lot has happened since On the Journey launched back in April of 2020! In their 200th episode, Matt, Ken, and Kenny look back at how each of them got involved with the Coming Home Network, and give a bit of background into the development of the On the Journey podcast and its original stated mission: to share our stories in hopes of helping others like ourselves who are trying to understand the C...
Deconstructing Dispensationalism, Part XII: On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny, Ep. 199 17.06.2026 1:11:23
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley concludes his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. In this episode, they finish their discussion of the prophecies of Jesus in Matthew 24, when the Lord foretells the destruction of the Temple, and the "end of the age." Many of these prophecies are seen by Dispensationalists...
Deconstructing Dispensationalism, Part XI:On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny, Ep. 198 10.06.2026 1:16:03
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. In this episode, they begin to unpack the prophecies of Jesus in Matthew 24, when the Lord warns his apostles of coming destruction and tragedy. So what was Jesus referring to? What did this mean for the Temple? And when doe...
Deconstructing Dispensationalism, Part X: On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny, Ep. 197 06.05.2026 1:11:45
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. Ken illustrates how the idea of the Rapture in Dispensationalist thought is part of a larger phenomenon within Dispensationalism of "double vision"; two new covenants, two distinct kingdoms of Israel and the Church, and even...
Deconstructing Dispensationalism, Part IX: On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny, Ep. 196 29.04.2026 1:11:18
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. Having built a Biblical and historical case against Dispensationalism over the past several episodes, Ken Hensley ties all the threads together to show how Jesus really did bring the Kingdom through his death, resurrection a...
Deconstructing Dispensationalism, Part VIII: On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny, Ep. 195 22.04.2026 1:14:09
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. The Old Testament is filled with references to the Promised Land. So how do Jesus and the New Testament authors build on this idea? And what is the geographical territory that is meant to be under the reign of the Messiah? T...
Deconstructing Dispensationalism, Part VII: On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny, Ep. 194 15.04.2026 59:47
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. A major theme in the story of God's chosen people Israel is the "Promised Land." Ken Hensley unpacks what was involved in that promise in the generations leading up to Jesus. Was that promise ever fulfilled, and if so, how w...
Deconstructing Dispensationalism, Part VI: On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny, Ep. 193 26.03.2026 1:20:02
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. What do the prophecies of the Old Testament tell us about how God will dwell with his people in the New Covenant? What implications does this have for the Temple? And what do Jesus and the authors of the New Testament have t...
Deconstructing Dispensationalism, Part V: On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny, Ep. 192 18.03.2026 1:17:12
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. In this episode, they look at the prophecies about God's coming Kingdom throughout salvation history, and compare that with the way Jesus preached the Kingdom during his earthly ministry. They also look at examples in the wr...
Deconstructing Dispensationalism, Part IV:On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny, Ep. 191 11.03.2026 1:14:00
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. In this episode, they look at the prophecies throughout salvation history related to how God was gathering together a people, and how the words and actions of Jesus in founding His Church fulfill the promises God made to ble...
Deconstructing Dispensationalism, Part III: On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny, Episode 190 04.03.2026 1:02:09
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. In this episode, they look at the covenants God has made with His people through the centuries leading up to Jesus, and how it is Jesus Himself who is the most perfect fulfillment of the prophecies and promises made to Israe...
Deconstructing Dispensationalism, Part II: On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny, Episode 189 25.02.2026 1:07:49
Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley continues his series with Matt Swaim and Kenny Burchard about how the theological framework of Dispensationalism began to fall apart for him. In this episode, Ken discusses some of the specific passages of Scripture that were leading him to believe that the central claims of Dispensationalism couldn't hold up to Biblical scrutiny. Watch more episodes of On the Jou...
Deconstructing Dispensationalism, Part I: On the Journey with Matt, Ken, and Kenny, Episode 188 18.02.2026 1:02:27
From The Late Great Planet Earth to Left Behind and beyond, millions of Christians have subscribed, knowingly or unknowingly, to the conclusions of a theological system known as Dispensationalism, which makes claims not only about the end of the world and the return of Jesus, but also about the nature of covenants in Scripture. Ken Hensley, a former Baptist pastor who came to faith in the 1970's t...
Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part XI: On the Journey, Episode 187 14.01.2026 1:05:54
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? After ten episodes of explaining how he came to realize that the Reformation doctrine of salvation by "faith alone" wasn't Biblical, former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley shares how he came to embrace the way the Catholic Church talks about what it means to be saved. More e...
Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part X - On The Journey Episode 186 07.01.2026 1:11:35
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley shares seven key realizations that helped him understand that the Reformation doctrine of salvation by "faith alone" wasn't supported by the testimony of the Scriptures. Watch more episodes: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-journey-show/ Jo...
Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part IX – On the Journey, Episode 185 17.12.2025 1:15:34
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley looks at how St. Paul reflects on the nature of justification in his Epistles, to see how it compares with the Reformed and Catholic understandings of how we are saved. More episodes: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-journey-show/ Join our...
Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part VIII – On the Journey, Episode 184 10.12.2025 1:06:48
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley takes a deep dive into the Old Testament texts that refer to the nature of justification to look at what the Scriptures teach us about how God goes about saving His people. More episodes of On the Journey: https://chnetwork.org/on-the-j...
Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part VII - On the Journey, Episode 183 03.12.2025 1:07:06
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Reformed theology argues that Abraham was justified by faith alone the moment he first believed. But when was that moment? When he left his home in Ur to follow God? When he believed in God's promise of offspring twenty-five years later? When he was willing to sacrifice...
On the Journey, Episode 182: Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part VI 19.11.2025 1:15:41
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley shares some of the things he began to discover about Luther's development of the doctrine of salvation by faith alone. Ken started to see that Luther's teaching was based on a specific set of key verses, but whenever Luther's conclusion...
On the Journey, Episode 181: Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part V 12.11.2025 1:08:43
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley shares how one of the most important distinctions a Christian can make in regard to faith and works is this: are we employees, working for a wage from God for our efforts, or are we patients, willingly allowing ourselves to be treated,...
On the Journey, Episode 180: Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part IV 05.11.2025 1:04:32
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? Throughout his letters, especially in his messages to the Galatians and Romans, St. Paul warns against boasting in a works-based righteousness. So what kind of "works" was Paul talking about? Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley dives into the text to demonstrate what it i...
Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part III - On the Journey, Episode 179 29.10.2025 1:15:57
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? As a Baptist pastor, Ken Hensley was becoming more and more aware of the prominent Old Testament pattern of faith, followed by obedience, followed by reward, and he wondered: did this pattern continue in the New Testament, or was it replaced by "faith alone"? Ken shares...
Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part II - On the Journey, Episode 178 22.10.2025 1:07:30
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their discussion about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? As a Baptist pastor, Ken Hensley began to discover that his Reformation-inspired understanding of faith being rewarded by salvation, and followed by obedience, didn't match up with the pattern he saw in the Old Testament, of faith, followed by obedience, and then reward...
Embracing the Catholic Gospel, Part I - On the Journey, Episode 177 15.10.2025 59:27
Matt Swaim talks to former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard about one of the most important questions a Christian can ask: what is the Gospel? As a Baptist pastor, Ken Hensley believed and preached that salvation was by faith alone, apart from works, and that it is accomplished entirely by God; otherwise we could boast about our role in the process. Ken shares how Martin Luther ca...
On the Journey, Episode 176: Purgatory, Part IV 24.09.2025 1:04:21
Matt, Ken, and Kenny conclude their series looking at the formal teaching of the Catholic Church on the doctrine of Purgatory. They wrap up the discussion by focusing on how the Catholic Church really sees Purgatory at the end of the day: as a final purification in the presence of a person, that person being Jesus Christ, whose light dispels all darkness, and who desires eternal fellowship with us...
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