Joan Garry & Glennda Testone
Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications
Nonprofits Are Messy is the podcast for nonprofit leaders navigating the real challenges of leadership, fundraising, governance, communications, and organizational growth. Hosted by Joan Garry and Glennda Testone, each episode features candid conversations, practical advice, and honest stories to help you lead with greater confidence through the messiness of nonprofit work.
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Jun 20, 2026
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Episodes
Ep 156: How Leaders Can Promote Belonging In the Workplace (with Rhodes Perry) 09.04.2022 55:08
In this episode, guest Rhodes Perry joins me to uncover the role inclusive leaders play when it comes to building belonging cultures in the nonprofit workplace.
Ep 155: A Once-In-A-Generation Opportunity to Shape the Future of Nonprofit Work (with Allison Fine and Beth Kanter) 26.03.2022 46:54
What is smart technology? And what does it look like in the nonprofit sector? Beth Kanter and Allison Fine join me for a deep dive into human-centered software and how to use it ethically, responsibly, and intentionally in today’s nonprofit world.
Ep 154: The Nonprofit Business Model is Broken (with Vu Le) 12.03.2022 53:29
What does the ideal nonprofit business model look like? Does it bear any resemblance to the model we have today? Listen in as guest Vu Le and I paint the picture of an evolved nonprofit sector.
Ep 153: Supervision vs. Management – What’s the Difference? (with Rita Sever) 26.02.2022 52:34
Is there really a difference between leadership and management? And what about supervision and management? In this podcast, Rita Sever and I discuss why these skills are actually quite different — and why nonprofit leaders need to be proficient in all of them.
Ep 152: Secrets of a High-Functioning Board of Directors (with Joan Garry) 12.02.2022 31:01
There is no way your nonprofit organization can thrive without one — but do you know what a high-functioning board of directors actually looks like? Tune in to this episode to crack the code.
Ep 151: Using Pop Culture for Social Good (with Noelani Pearl Hernandez) 29.01.2022 43:43
In this episode, my colleague, Noelani Pearl Hernandez and I dig into the popular Netflix series, MAID, and how you can use pop culture as a tool for nonprofit storytelling and media advocacy.
Ep 150: Reflection – How My White Privilege Affects My Leadership 15.01.2022 17:18
In this episode, I reflect on how racial bias impacts the lack of leadership diversity in the nonprofit sector — and my own position as a nonprofit leader who benefits from white privilege.
Ep 149: Can We Fix the Nonprofit Burnout Problem? (with Chris Barlics) 08.01.2022 47:35
In this episode, Health Coach and Personal Trainer, Chris Barlics, and I talk about something many nonprofit leaders put last on their to-do lists — self care. Listen in to learn how it can help you avoid nonprofit burnout — even if you don’t like eating kale or going to the gym.
Ep 148: Why Nonprofits Are Still Messy in 2021 (with Jim Axelrod) 25.12.2021 51:13
It’s the one-year anniversary of the second edition of my book, Nonprofits Are Messy. Listen in as my friend and neighbor, CBS correspondent Jim Axelrod and I chat about my book, nonprofit fundraising, and the real reason so many small nonprofits are messy.
Ep 147: How Powerful Partnerships Drive Innovative Nonprofit Marketing (with Alison Moore) 11.12.2021 1:01:45
In the digital age, it is nearly impossible to get the word out about your mission without a strategic nonprofit marketing plan. In this episode, Alison Moore, Chief Executive Officer of Comic Relief US shares how a nonprofit partnership can help in this area.
Ep 146: Why Unbecoming Is the Key to Innovative Leadership (with Kerri Hoffman) 13.11.2021 42:20
In this episode, my guest Kerri Hoffman (CEO of the nonprofit media company, PRX) and I discuss what innovative leadership really looks like in the post-Covid nonprofit sector.
Ep 145: How Tiny Habits Create Big Change (with BJ Fogg) 30.10.2021 58:37
In this episode, I chat with Stanford professor and author, BJ Fogg about why creating tiny habits is the key to good habit formation and creating change.
Ep 144: A Fresh Perspective on Inclusive Leadership (with Dr. Ella Bell Smith) 16.10.2021 56:43
Inclusive leadership requires more than just attending DEI training and then integrating what you learn into your nonprofit org. Listen in as leadership and DEI consultant, Dr. Ella Bell Smith, shares how this work goes much deeper.
Ep 143: Lollipop Moments and Everyday Leadership Lessons (with Drew Dudley) 02.10.2021 59:38
In this episode, everyday leadership expert and inspirational TED speaker, Drew Dudley joins me to share some of the most dangerous leadership lessons you should unlearn and their impact on the nonprofit sector.
Ep 142: How Kindness and Community Empower Today’s Nonprofit Leaders (with John Hoffman) 18.09.2021 1:03:33
Join me and my friend and six-time Emmy winner, John Hoffman, as we discuss his 2020 documentary film, The Antidote, and the role of kindness in the work of today’s nonprofit leader and our society as a whole.
Ep 141: An Honest Conversation About Donor Stewardship (with Lisa Greer) 04.09.2021 1:03:07
In this episode, I have an honest conversation about donor stewardship with five-star philanthropist, Lisa Greer. Listen in as we discuss some of the most common mistakes orgs make when it comes to donor relations.
Ep 140: How to Attract, Develop, and Retain Top Nonprofit Talent (with Gali Cooks) 22.08.2021 1:02:30
Filling positions in a nonprofit org can be a challenge. Here's how to get the right people in the right seats on the bus (not just butts in seats).
Ep 139: Interpersonal Skills are Hard Work (with Carole Robin) 07.08.2021 59:25
Nonprofit executive directors, join Joan Garry and award-winning Stanford professor, Carole Robin to learn how your interpersonal skills impact your org’s success.
Ep 138: Joan’s Favorite Books for Nonprofit Leaders 24.07.2021 45:30
In this episode, the tables turn. Cindy Pereira interviews Joan Garry on her favorite books for nonprofit leaders.
Ep 137: Cryptocurrency and the Future of Donor Advised Funds (with Robbie Heeger) 26.06.2021 58:42
More and more folks are donating to charity with cryptocurrency. Meanwhile, only a few large nonprofits have any idea what to do with it.
Ep 136: Who’s Afraid to Return to the Office? (with Ellen LaPointe and Nick Turner) 12.06.2021 58:59
As more and more of us are fully vaccinated, many are getting back into the physical work space. But what do we do when people are afraid to come to work?
Ep 135: Building the Resilience to Withstand a Disaster (with Nina Meehan) 29.05.2021 38:12
Things were going great for Nina Meehan's theater organization. Then disaster struck. Learn how she overcame huge challenges to emerge stronger than ever.
Ep 134: An Alternative to Strategic Planning (with Lindsay Hoffman) 15.05.2021 48:08
Strategic planning, as a traditional process, can be costly, stressful, and deeply draining. Here’s a better alternative.
Ep 133: Choosing the Right Nonprofit Business Model (with Rinku Sen) 01.05.2021 53:17
Does it always make sense to organize as a 501c3? How do you decide whether you need a c3, c4 or even a for-profit LLC? What are the pros and cons?
Ep 132: Let’s Make Program Evaluation Simpler (with Chari Smith) 17.04.2021 53:03
One of the biggest achilles heels in the nonprofit sector is program evaluation. But it’s critical to funders. Let’s make it simpler.
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