Joan Garry & Glennda Testone

Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications

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Nonprofits Are Messy is the podcast for nonprofit leaders navigating the real challenges of leadership, fundraising, governance, communications, and organizational growth. Hosted by Joan Garry and Glennda Testone, each episode features candid conversations, practical advice, and honest stories to help you lead with greater confidence through the messiness of nonprofit work.

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Joan Garry & Glennda Testone

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Business

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joangarry.com

Latest episode

Jun 20, 2026

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Episodes

Ep 231: Improving the Nonprofit Talent Search (with Omar Lopez) 21.06.2025

Attracting top talent to your nonprofit isn’t about luck—it’s about alignment. Talent search expert, Omar Lopez shares what it takes to find (and keep) the right people in today’s competitive hiring landscape.

Ep. 230: Think Big: How Capital Campaigns Fuel Long-Term Growth (with Amy Eisenstein) 07.06.2025

What if a capital campaign could be your nonprofit’s ticket to long-term growth? Fundraising expert Amy Eisenstein joins the podcast to bust common myths and share practical insights from decades of experience. From feasibility studies to board engagement, she lays out what it really takes to run a successful campaign—no wealthy board members required.

Ep 229: Imposter Syndrome Is Real—6 Ways To Overcome It 24.05.2025

Many nonprofit leaders feel like they’re just one mistake away from being “found out.” Even experienced executives, including myself, wrestle with that nagging voice of doubt, especially in moments of high visibility or pressure. But instead of letting imposter syndrome win, here are 6 tangible strategies.

Ep. 228: Nonprofits Are Under Attack (with Glennda Testone) 10.05.2025

Nonprofits are under attack in 2025—from hostile federal policies, harmful public misconceptions, and risk-averse boards. Glennda Testone and I urge nonprofit leaders to push back, speak up, and lead with boldness and creativity. Despite the challenges, we spotlight moments of hope and courage from organizations stepping up to protect communities and sustain impact.

Ep 227: What Challenging Times Make Possible (with Michael Hyatt) 26.04.2025

What if challenging times are invitations to redefine what matters most? Michael Hyatt shares what helped him redefine success, and find a fulfilling way to live and lead.

Ep. 226: Nonprofits in the Chaos of 2025: What’s At Stake And How to Respond (with Amol Sinha) 12.04.2025

The nonprofit sector is under attack. But, there’s hope. In this episode, Glennda Testone and I talk with Amol Sinha about the unique harms facing nonprofits and how we can all take action to protect our missions.

Ep 225: The Secret to Sustainability: Taking Care of Yourself as You Lead (with Mariam Habib) 29.03.2025

Nonprofit leadership can be deeply meaningful—and deeply exhausting. In this powerful conversation, Glennda Testone and trauma specialist Mariam Habib explore what it takes to sustain yourself while serving others. From setting boundaries to building resilience, this episode is a roadmap for leading with purpose and preserving your well-being.

Ep 224: Fighting Loneliness In Remote Work (with Dr. Tracy Brower) 15.03.2025

Work can be a source of joy and fulfillment—but only if we feel connected. In this episode, Dr. Tracy Brower unpacks why we’re feeling more isolated than ever—and what leaders can do to build workplaces where people actually feel like they belong.

Ep 223: Activating Change: Fighting Ableism and Building Accessible Nonprofits (with Nancy Smith) 01.03.2025

Disability is not a niche issue—it’s a reality for 60 million Americans. Yet, systemic bias and stereotypes continue to exclude people with disabilities from conversations about inclusion. In this episode, Nancy Smith of Activating Change shares practical steps nonprofits can take to build truly accessible and equitable spaces.

Ep 222: The Joys and Challenges of Leading A Small Nonprofit (with members of the Nonprofit Leadership Lab) 15.02.2025

Three fearless nonprofit leaders share what drives them, how they navigate burnout, and the vision that keeps them going. Tomik Dash, Laura Carmichael, and Adrienne McCue are breaking barriers and sharing their stories that prove that small but mighty nonprofits are changing lives every day.

Ep 221: Building Organizational Capacity For Rapid Response (with Deepa Iyer) 01.02.2025

From the Atlanta spa shootings to ongoing challenges, Deepa Iyer highlights the critical need for infrastructure, relationship-building, and centering the voices of affected communities in times of crisis.

Ep 220: 5 Strategies for Leading Nonprofits in 2025 18.01.2025

Whether you’re grappling with turbulent times or striving for greater impact, these strategies will help you navigate 2025 with clarity and purpose. Join me for a conversation that will leave you inspired, equipped, and ready to take on the year ahead. Let’s buckle up and face this journey together.

Ep 219: Simplifying Success: How Project Management Can Transform Nonprofit Leadership (with Christie Machorek) 04.01.2025

Nonprofit leaders often feel overwhelmed by endless tasks, but project management guru, Christie Machorek, shares insights about how to transform chaos into clarity. With simple strategies like celebrating wins and debriefing after projects, she shows how to create systems that free up time to focus on what truly matters.

Ep. 218: 2024 In Review: A Heartfelt Reflection on Leadership and What Lies Ahead (with Glennda Testone) 20.12.2024

I sit down with Glennda Testone, CEO of the Nonprofit Leadership Lab, to unpack personal and professional lessons from 2024. Together, we discuss navigating change, embracing resilience, and how nonprofit leaders can strengthen their organizations for the challenges ahead.

Ep 217: Why We Must Reframe The Narrative Around Gen Z (with Bianca Anderson and Lamisa Mustafa) 07.12.2024

Bianca Anderson and Lamisa Mustafa join me in a conversation about shifting the stereotypes and misconceptions about Gen Z. Whether you're grappling with workforce challenges or striving to lead inclusively, this episode will equip you with insights and tools to turn generational differences into an asset.

Ep 216: Just Fund Me! (with Iara Peng) 23.11.2024

Iara Peng guest appears on the podcast to discuss redefining philanthropy, what her company Just Fund is doing to equalize and simplify giving, and the one word that moves money.

Ep 215: The Worst Headline Just Hit The New York Times. Now What? (with Seth Chalmer) 09.11.2024

Seth Chalmer’s insights on crisis management will help you navigate today’s challenging social landscape as a nonprofit leader. This conversation gives tools to spark valuable conversations that can create clarity and confidence the next time your organization faces a hot-button topic and needs to respond.

Ep 214: Productive Conversations in Polarizing Conflicts (with Parisa Parsa) 26.10.2024

Nonprofit Leadership Lab CEO, Glennda Testone, and Parisa Parsa explore how nonprofit leaders can have productive conversations amidst polarization and division. Parisa shares practical strategies for addressing power dynamics and leading productive conversations across differences.

Ep 213: Racial Dynamics in Nonprofit Fundraising (with Mikaela Levons + Jamila Hodge) 12.10.2024

Jamila Hodge and Mikaela Levons from Equal Justice USA join the podcast to discuss the challenges and strengths of fundraisers of color. We explore how race, white supremacy power dynamics, and lived experiences shape their approach to fundraising and leadership.

Ep 212: Street Cred, Trust Capital, and Impact-Focused Fundraising (with Michael Thatcher) 28.09.2024

I sat down with Michael Thatcher, CEO of Charity Navigator, to explore how nonprofits can use data to build trust with donors and move beyond the outdated focus on overhead. Michael shared valuable insights on how nonprofits can better engage donors, make the right asks, and thrive in today’s challenging giving environment.

Ep 211: The Maverick Marketing Approach (with Seth Godin) 14.09.2024

Seth Godin, the marketing GOAT, shares a fresh, transformative approach to nonprofit marketing. He reveals how understanding and aligning with your donors' emotions can significantly enhance your strategy.

Ep 210: Scaling Social Impact: Strategies for the Small Nonprofit (with Scott Curran) 31.08.2024

One-third of all nonprofits fail within 10 years, and 30% of the 1.5 million nonprofits in the U.S. have budgets under $100,000, putting them at significant risk of failure. To address this challenge, Scott Curran, CEO of Beyond Advisors, shares his expertise on how growth-stage social impact enterprises can strengthen their core, define their unique value, and strategically scale. This episode of...

Ep 209: Finding the Courage to Say No 17.08.2024

In this episode, Glennda Testone and I dive into real-life scenarios where we've had to make tough decisions and say no. Our intimate conversation offers practical tips on navigating common leadership challenges with confidence and diplomacy.

Ep 208: Bring Back the Joy of Giving (with Allison Fine) 03.08.2024

Allison Fine and I discuss the need to transform nonprofit fundraising from a transactional to a relational model, leverage technology to build meaningful donor relationships, and create a more sustainable and joyful fundraising environment.

Ep 207: From Walmart to Feeding America (with Claire Babineaux-Fontenot) 20.07.2024

Like me, Claire Babineaux-Fontenot moved from the corporate world to the nonprofit sector with zero previous experience in nonprofit work. In this episode, she shares her inspiring story of how and why she shifted her focus to step into her most impactful work yet.

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