Dr. Michelle Boland & Dr. Tim Richardt
More Train, Less Pain; Engineering the Adaptable Athlete
The More Train, Less Pain podcast is hosted by Dr. Michelle Boland and Dr. Tim Richardt and is specifically designed around engineering the adaptable athlete. The podcast will bring you the most knowledgeable guests in the fields of strength and conditioning and physical therapy, as well as episodes consisting of topic “deep-dives”. Our aim is to elevate YOUR understanding as a movement professional, to give you the knowledge, and the tools to deliver an even better service to your people, whoever they may be.
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Dr. Michelle Boland & Dr. Tim Richardt
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Jan 19, 2026
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Episodes
S3E11: Tim & Michelle- If You Show Me Your Adaptive Upside, I'll Show You Mine; Adaptive Upside Exercise Selection with Persistent Pain Clients Top 3 Countdown 20.11.2023 55:50
Tim and Michelle countdown their TOP 3 exercise concepts to maximize adaptive upside in the context of persistent pain clients. How best can we create system changes and manage trade-offs in our training programs? Find out in this episode. In this episode, we discuss movement quality as an adaptation, what the upside is to alternating reps, progressing volume with timed sets, why medicine ball thr...
S3E10: Bill Hartman- Perspectives on Models, Mentorship, and Training in Persistent Pain 13.11.2023 1:08:10
Bill is a Physical Therapist and, together with Mike Robertson, founded Indianapolis Fitness and Sports Training, known as IFAST, located in Indianapolis, Indiana. Over the past decade, IFAST has quietly become one of the predominant hubs of education in the industries of PT and S&C. Former Bill mentees include Zac Cupples, Mike Camporini, and what feels like 25% of medical and physical prep s...
S3E9: Tim & Michelle Reunite- Engaging with the Body on a More Frequent Basis 06.11.2023 52:36
Tim and Michelle reunite for a mid-point check-in for season 3. In this episode we talk about, our current training status, monitoring movement KPIs, connecting with the body on a more frequent basis, reframing pain as information, pushing into and pulling away from exercise during times of psychological stress, the value of just listening, engaging physically with life, and much, much more. Liste...
S3E8: Dr. Seth Oberst- Tactical Urgency, Open-Minded Education, and Navigating Uncertainty in Persistent Pain 30.10.2023 1:11:31
Both Tim and Michelle would never miss an opportunity to spend time with Dr. Seth Oberst. Seth is a hidden gem who doesn’t do much posting on social media but has an incredible reputation both personally and professionally as a physical therapist. In this episode, we discuss regulating tactics, the illusion of infinite progression, developing a sustainable movement practice, being a guide to your...
S3E7: Mike Boyle- Observe and Be Hospitable; Managing Pain and Building a Business for the Long Haul 23.10.2023 1:16:36
Michelle sits down with Mike Boyle, co-founder of Mike Boyle Strength and Conditioning…like you didn’t know that already. In this episode, we talk about why assault bikes are awesome (duh), training adults while managing pain, exercise selection with an adaptive upside, the “orthopedic cost” of some exercises, how to keep people training while dealing with an injury, creating hospitality in your b...
S3E6: David Grey- Making Sense of Persistent Pain with The Irish Wonder Boy 16.10.2023 1:01:24
Today’s guest is friend of the podcast David Grey. David last visited Michelle and Tim back in February of 2022, where they discussed feet “out” during running, the merits of sensorimotor training, and the hilariousness of dachshunds or, as David calls them, sausage dogs. Hopefully you started following David thereafter, because he has simply blown up since then. Numerous product launches, deliver...
S3E5: Dan Sanzo- Mr. Attention To Detail; The Consequences of High Performance 09.10.2023 1:15:58
Michelle sits down with Dan Sanzo in a context-driven conversation to discuss working together and the consequences that come with high performance. Michelle sought out Dan’s help with her ultra running ‘performance induced discomfort consequences’ (that is copyrighted my friends) and you can hear all about their teamwork and training strategies! Dan Sanzo lays out his biomechanical lens as he div...
S3E4: Sam Leffers, LMHCA- Suffering Less and Improving Mindfulness with Chronic Achilles Pain 02.10.2023 1:16:06
Tim sits down with Sam Leffers, a licensed mental health counseling associate based in Indianapolis, IN who helps clients with a broad variety of psychological ailments, including those suffering from anxiety or depression related to chronic pain. Additionally, he’s a runner who “walks the walk” in managing training, life, and his movement practice in the setting of fairly persistent left Achilles...
S3E3: Justin Rabinowitz- Managing the Pain in Business 25.09.2023 56:12
Michelle sits down with Justin Rabinowitz to discuss learning from failures, setting expectations with clients and patients, and the importance of messaging. Rehab Chiropractor, published author, and entrepreneur, Justin Rabinowitz, is an encyclopedia for fitness and rehab professionals, teaching us all how to build world-class clinical excellence and business skills. Listen, download, subscribe,...
S3E2: Jon Pope of BTE- What Military Selection Can Teach Us About Soldiering On In Cases Of Persistent Pain 18.09.2023 1:26:20
In this second episode, Tim sits down with Jon Pope, founder of Building the Elite, a company with the sole focus of preparing military and tactical athletes for selection programs using the most up-to-date and effective training strategies possible. At first glance, this may seem like an odd conversation to have nested in a season that’s about chronic and persistent pain. However, the intent for...
S3E1: Fitness in the Setting of Persistent Pain 11.09.2023 52:07
Michelle and Tim are back! After a long and eventful hiatus, the dynamic duo return. And this time, they’re on a very specific, season-long quest. A quest to learn (and teach) all they can about maintaining- and even improving- fitness in the context of chronic/persistent pain. During this first episode, they delve into the “why” behind this season’s motif, common misconceptions about chronic/pers...
S2E12: Top 3 Takeaways from Season 2: What we steal from our GUESTS and IMPLEMENT into our own PRACTICE 25.04.2022 52:34
Tim and Michelle pop open the champagne and celebrate the completion of Season 2 by summarizing their biggest takeaways! Season 2 guests dropped off some knowledge bombs, and today we are turning them into actionable implementation strategies. Topics discussed today include, the dichotomy of perspective, the importance of having a biomechanical model, “adaptation” training versus “learning” traini...
S2E10: Attuning, Perception of Biomechanics, Self Obstruction, Manual Inputs, and Energy Crystals with Dr. Seth Oberst 18.04.2022 1:16:13
Michelle & Tim cleared their schedule and summoned Seth out of the sauna to chat about the ultimate coaching and therapy tools. We dive into attuning, the perception of biomechanics, self obstruction, manual inputs, practical application, and the benefits of being predictable. If you enjoyed it, it’d mean the world to Tim and Michelle if you can subscribe, review, or share what they’re doing h...
S2E11: Swinging the Fitness Industry Pendulum with Michelle & Tim 11.04.2022 49:45
We have all heard the phrases, “just get stronger”, “conditioning will kill your gains”, “breathing is the only thing that matters”, “machines are the only way to lift”, “you have to get neutral before you lift”. Where do these extreme viewpoints come from and how do they influence the Physical Therapy and Fitness industry? Join Michelle and Tim as they dive into the Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis Mo...
S2E9: Movement Solutions, Content Marketing, & Training Tim with Lance Goyke 04.04.2022 1:26:19
If you think that all movement needs to be improved via laying-on-the-ground positional breathing drills, think again. There are myriad ways to improve a client’s movement to improve fitness outcomes while sidestepping pain, and our guest today is an expert in ‘em all. Join Michelle and Tim as they sit down with Lance Goyke, remote trainer, site developer, and content marketer extraordinaire! They...
S2E8: PRI Round Two; Practical PRI 28.03.2022 1:00:32
Caving to listener pressure, Michelle and Tim sit down to talk AGAIN about PRI, this time with a focus on the practical, day-to-day applications, both in the weight room and PT clinic. They chat about the relative utility of an asymmetrical movement lens, minor tweaks to common weight room exercises to improve both range of motion and fitness outcomes, whether or not a FULL exhalation is desired d...
S2E7: Coaching from an Icon: Michelle Goes SOLO with Lee Taft 21.03.2022 49:13
Lee Taft gives us all a lesson in the art of coaching. Sure, we dive into multi-directional speed training, principles, and misconceptions, but man-oh-man is Lee dropping dimes about coaching. Get ready, to get better, as we chat about being patient with results, making sure your clients understand intent, adding context for learning, allowing the learning process to take place, and making sure yo...
S2E6: Debriefing (Effortless) Movement, Mitigating Injury Risk, and Listener Questions with Zac Cupples 14.03.2022 1:22:23
Warn your dog, double-reserve the stairmaster, or intentionally drive into traffic because this is a good one that you are NOT gonna want to stop listening to. Tim chats with Mr. Movement Debriefer, old school course reviewer, El Z Mas Gigantico, Big Z, Zac Cupples himself on topics such as; Is Zac Old Kanye or New Kanye? Would Tim make a good hype man? Zac’s alternate profession.  ...
S2E5: Finding Exercise Solutions with Dr. Sarah Duvall 07.03.2022 55:57
We all have clients and athletes that are dealing with some nagging movement issues, so join us in exploring some CORE solutions. Dr. Sarah Duvall joins MTLP to chat about EXERCISE considerations and assessing the whole body to find a SOLUTION. Get ready to improve your coaching tool box with pelvic floor, pressure management, and CORE EXERCISE SOLUTIONS! Physical Therapists and Coaches, you are g...
S2E4: Navigating Chaos and Order in Physical Preparation with Joel Smith 28.02.2022 58:01
Tim sits down with Mr. Elastic himself, the Usain Bolt of the fitness podcasting world, Just Fly Sports Performance’s Joel Smith, for some free flowing discussion pertaining to play, structure, jump training, learning, and engagement. If you’re a trainer or therapist looking to find out the answers to these questions… How do Joel and Tim approach toe’d out feet in athletes from a health and perfor...
S2E3: Programmapalooza: Michelle Goes SOLO with Dr. Campo 21.02.2022 1:04:34
Ninja rolling, kickstand deadlifts, bunny hops, and reverse skips- Oh My! In this episode, Michelle gets into the real nitty gritty with her coach, Dr. Mike Camporini. Campo answers questions about programming for Michelle and dives into very specific detail about exercise selection. They discuss highlighting adaptations, how to provide intense exercise while considering movement qualities, the co...
S2E2: David Grey on “Feet Out”, Sensorimotor Training, and Sausage Dogs 14.02.2022 1:13:59
Join David Grey and Tim as they hop on the magic biomechanical school bus of learning to attempt to parse out exactly how important straight feet are with running, the silliness of the “knees out” cue with squatting, integrating floor-based respiration drills with serious weight room s^%t, and a deep dive into the Standard Irish diet. Show notes 0:00 Portugal Holidays, wiener dogs, and the angry d...
S2E1: The Random Show Season 2 Kickoff 07.02.2022 53:01
We are BACK! Season 2 kicks off with Michelle and Tim running through some random topics such as huge life changes since Season 1 ended, new interests, thoughts on micro dosing, and all things to get you training more in less pain. Listen, download, subscribe, and tell your friends... Related Content: Dr. Mike Camporini, Eric Schmitt, Quadrant System by Daniel Bove, Cory Schlesinger, & Joel Sm...
S1E16: Tequilathon: Season One Throughlines & Takeaways 30.05.2021 59:49
Shed a tear and drink a tequila along with Michelle and Tim as they bid farewell to Season One of More Train, Less Pain. They’ll each count down their Top 3 “Throughlines and Takeaways” from the incredible guests they’ve been joined by thus far, as well as inject the usual degree of nonsense in the form of “Season One Superlatives”. What habits, tactics, and thought-processes got repeated over and...
S1E15: Total Request (not) Live; Listener Q&A 24.05.2021 57:54
Get ready for some MUCH anticipated Q&A. Fine listeners from all over the world have submitted excellent Q’s. Michelle and Tim do their damndest to A ‘em. On this episode they’ll tackle such topics as; K-tape Overdoing fitness Making rehab fun (again!) Over-complicating strength and conditioning The SFMA Managing contradictory treatment models Desert island exercise(s) How to MENTOR Michelle’s...
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