Laura Pitt & Dan Steele
More Than a Score: Redefining Success Beyond School
More Than a Score: Redefining Success Beyond School is an Australian podcast hosted by Laura Pitt and Dan Steele, a former teacher and award-winning school leader from the Mornington Peninsula, in Victoria. Each fortnight, we share honest stories about school, ATAR pressure, career pathways, learning differences, parenting teens, and what success really means after school. Every guest shares their own path through school and, more importantly, beyond it: leaders, parents, athletes, entrepreneurs, and creatives who did not follow a straight line and still achieved success. If you are a parent w...
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Episodes
From a Low Score to a Thriving Career: Manny Kechayas on his Path to Pevan & Sarah 01.07.2026 1:02:42
What if not knowing your path is not a problem to fix, but the very thing that builds a creative and resilient life? In this episode of More Than a Score, we sit down with Manny Kechayas, musician, former teacher, self-taught video producer, and co-creator of the highly successful Australian children's entertainment group act Pevan & Sarah. Manny spent most of school waiting for a lightbulb moment...
I Did Everything Right and Still Got Rejected: Sarah Kechayas on the Long Way Round to Pevan & Sarah 21.06.2026 55:39
What happens when your child does everything right and still hits a wall? For any parent of a driven, high-achieving young person, Sarah Kechayas' (co-founder of Pevan & Sarah) story is both honest and reassuring. This is part one of a two-part conversation. Sarah is a musician, performer and co-founder, with her partner Manny Kechayas, of the much-loved children's kids entertainment group Pevan &...
From School Struggles to CEO: Steve Younane on Strengths, Confidence and Leadership 15.06.2026 1:05:42
What if success has less to do with having a perfect plan and more to do with understanding your strengths? In this episode of More Than a Score, we sit down with Steve Younane: a business leader, CEO, musician, father, and someone whose pathway from school to leadership was far from predictable. Growing up as one of seven children in a family that deeply valued education, Steve felt the pressure...
Backing Yourself Beats Following the Right Path: Athan Didaskalou, July Founder, on Success After School 08.06.2026 1:02:48
If your teenager is unsure what comes next, this episode is reassurance that confidence usually comes after action, not before. It is for parents supporting a young person through big decisions. What if the right path only becomes clear once you stop chasing it? Athan Didaskalou, founder of the Australian luggage brand July, talks honestly about his uneasy relationship with school, the uncertainty...
When School Says Your Child Talks Too Much: Sarah Pound on Turning a Label Into a Career 31.05.2026 1:14:19
If your child is told off for the very things that make them, well them, this is for you. The traits flagged at school are often the foundations of a thriving life later. What if the qualities that make your child different at school are exactly the ones that help them thrive in life? Sarah Pound, known as Wholesome by Sarah, is a nutritionist, author, educator and mum of three whose report cards...
You Don't Have to Get It Right the First Time: Stephanie Pahl on Sport, Change and Finding Your Path 25.05.2026 46:09
If your child does not love the classroom or does not have a clear plan, they are far more normal than they feel. This episode is for parents of a young person who shines outside school. What if success is less about getting it right the first time and more about staying open to opportunity? Stephanie Pahl is an athlete, captain, coach, and fitness professional whose confidence and identity came t...
When Success Stops Feeling Like Success: Melissa Lozanovski, Founding Principal, on Ambition and Wellbeing 19.05.2026 1:12:25
If your child quietly compares themselves to high-achieving siblings or peers, this honest conversation will help. Note: It briefly discusses suicide, so please choose what feels right for you. What happens when the thing you worked so hard to achieve makes you question what success even means? Melissa Lozanovski is an educator, leader, former founding principal, and mum. At school, she compared h...
You Don't Need a Perfect Plan After School: Ben Amos, Teacher Turned Entrepreneur 11.05.2026 43:19
If you are watching your teenager leave school without a clear direction, this episode is a reassurance that they are not behind. It is for any parent worried about the missing plan. What if success was never about the perfect plan, but learning to adapt when the plan changes? Ben Amos is a teacher turned entrepreneur and digital storyteller who built his career by staying curious and figuring thi...
When School Labels Your Child "Lazy": Myfanwy Fitzpatrick on Undiagnosed Dyslexia and Dyspraxia 05.05.2026 1:05:50
If your child has ever been labelled at school, this episode is for you. Being called lazy was never the real story. It is a reassurance for any parent advocating for a child who learns differently. Called lazy, placed on the lowest table, and told she would not succeed. The truth was very different. Myfanwy (Van) Fitzpatrick struggled at school not because she lacked ability, but because her dysl...
What If You Leave School With No Plan? Jasper Nettlefold on Building Success Over Time 27.04.2026 1:01:28
If your teenager left school without a clear sense of what success looks like, they are more normal than they feel. This is for parents who want to support without forcing a path. What does it look like to navigate school, life, and identity when the path is not clear? If your teenager left school without a clear sense of what success looks like for them, they are far more normal than they feel. F...
When School Doesn't Fit Your Child: Lael Stone on Courage, Connection and a Different Education (Re-Release) 19.04.2026 1:03:21
If you have ever worried that your child does not fit the traditional mould, this is a hopeful, practical listen for parents and educators alike. What happens when school does not quite fit, but life beyond it opens something bigger? Lael Stone is a speaker, educator, author, and school founder who reflects on leaving school without being defined by her score, traveling overseas alone at seventeen...
Leaving School Early Worked Out Fine: Sam Gawenda on Trades, Business and Doing Hard Things 13.04.2026 1:07:11
If you are watching your child step off the traditional track, this is reassurance. For Sam, leaving school in Year 11 was the start, not the setback. What happens if you leave school early and do not follow the expected path? Sam Gawenda left in Year 11, became a bricklayer, moved into mortgage broking, built and sold a business, and is now starting a new chapter. His pathway is a clear reminder...
A Good ATAR Wasn't What Made Her Successful: Blaise Witnish, CEO, on Strengths and Resilience 05.04.2026 1:24:44
If your child is measuring their worth by a number, this episode offers a better measure. It is for parents who want to understand what actually shapes a meaningful life. Blaise Witnish got an ATAR she was proud of, but that is not what made her successful. A CEO and global team leader, she boarded in Year 12 after financial hardship, found her strengths through drama and stand-up comedy, and buil...
How a Creative Career Actually Unfolds: Hayden Bevis, Founder of Poster Boy 29.03.2026 57:52
If your young person does not yet have a direction, this shows how a real creative career is built. It is for parents and students unsure about the next step. Not everyone leaves school with a clear plan, and not everyone needs to. Hayden Bevis is the founder of Poster Boy, but his path there was anything but straight: optical mechanic, trivia host, early YouTube experiments, then a creative busin...
What If Your Child Isn't "Academic"? Ellie Pascazio on Building a Business Around People Skills 22.03.2026 51:06
If your child finds the academic side of school hard, this lands. Not academic was never the problem, just a sign their strengths are elsewhere. What if being not academic was never the problem, just a sign that your strengths are somewhere else? Ellie Pascazio is a makeup artist and small business owner who found school hard academically but loved people, energy and making others feel good, and n...
When Family Expectation Says Education Is Everything: Val Gnanakone on Pressure and Becoming Yourself 18.03.2026 47:42
If you are trying to help your child work hard without overwhelming them, this conversation will help you breathe. It is for parents navigating pressure and expectation. What if success was never just about getting through school, getting the degree and starting work? Val Gnanakone moved from Singapore to Australia as a young person and grew up where education was essential, not optional. He worke...
Why an ATAR of 89.95 Still Felt Like Failure: Claire Tonti on Perfectionism and Self-Worth 08.03.2026 57:51
If your child is tying their worth to a number, Claire's story is one to share. It is for parents, students and anyone untangling self-worth from performance. Have you ever achieved something others celebrate but still felt like you fell short? Claire Tonti is a former teacher turned musician, filmmaker, podcaster and CEO. She grew up in a high-achieving family quietly believing she was not smart...
Is It Too Late to Change Direction? James Cameron on Switching Paths and Subject Selection 01.03.2026 52:58
If you are navigating subject selection or university pressure with your young person, this gives real perspective. Changing direction is often growth, not failure. This is a TITANIC episode. (See what we did there?). Have you ever started down a path because it seemed right, only to realise it did not fit? James Cameron is a teacher, mentor and outdoor education specialist who began university on...
Told University Wasn't Realistic For Him: Cade Witnish, PlayHQ Co-Founder, on Low Expectations 22.02.2026 1:02:37
If your child has ever been quietly written off, Cade's story matters. It is for any parent whose child has been told they are not likely to get the score they need. What happens when you are told university probably is not realistic for you, months before your final exams? Cade Witnish heard exactly that. Co-founder of Loud and Clear and sports-tech platform PlayHQ, he grew up in regional New Sou...
Can Passion Become a Career? Sophie Perez on Art, Reinvention and Following Your Thread 15.02.2026 1:01:03
If you are supporting a creative young person or questioning whether passion can become a pathway, this offers perspective and permission. Success rarely arrives all at once. What if the quiet thread running through your life is pointing somewhere meaningful? Sophie Perez is a fine artist and Royal College of Art graduate, former elite cyclist, studio founder and mother of three. Her path is anyth...
The Skills That Matter More Than an ATAR: Tash Chapman on What Employers Really Value 09.02.2026 1:10:51
If your child worries about getting it wrong, this reassures that learning through lived experience is a strength, not a weakness. It is for parents and students alike. What if the most valuable skills for life are not the ones measured by exams? Tash Chapman moved from school into people-focused work in HR and leadership, and now Nissi Wellness, and offers a powerful perspective on what really he...
When Your ATAR Doesn't Match Who You Are: Emily Rovere on Learning How You Learn 19.01.2026 59:42
If your child opened results that did not reflect who they are, this helps. Feeling lost does not mean they are off track. It is for parents and students after a hard result. What happens when the result staring back at you does not reflect who you know you are? Emily Rovere is an osteopath, business owner and mentor who opened her results feeling confused and deflated, then slowly realised the nu...
Learning, Failure and the Power of Relationships: Co-Host Dan Steele in the Guest Seat 12.01.2026 56:18
If you have followed the show and wondered what shaped one of its hosts, start here. It is for parents worried about a child's future and educators supporting young people. What happens when the person usually asking the questions becomes the one being interviewed? In this special episode, co-host Dan Steele, an award-winning school leader and internationally accredited leadership coach, steps int...
What School Taught Me and What It Didn't: Co-Host Laura Pitt in the Guest Seat 05.01.2026 58:50
If you want reassurance that there are many ways to live a fulfilling life, meet one of the hosts. It is for parents supporting a child through school transitions. You have heard the conversations. Now meet one of the people behind them. In this special episode, the mic turns toward co-host Laura Pitt to explore her own journey through school, uncertainty and the decisions that shaped how she now...
From School to Startup: Athan Didaskalou, July Founder, on Redefining Success 21.12.2025 1:02:48
If your teenager is facing big decisions without certainty, this helps. Confidence often comes after action, not before. It is for parents and students rethinking direction. What if the path you are meant to take only becomes clear once you stop chasing the right one? Athan Didaskalou, founder of one of Australia's most recognisable lifestyle brands, July, talks honestly about his relationship wit...
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