Kevin Oakley: New Home Marketing from Do You Convert
Market Proof Marketing: Home Builder Marketing Insights
A weekly new home marketing podcast for home builders and developers. Each week Kevin Oakley from Do You Convert will break down the headlines, share best-practices and stories from the front line, and perform a deep dive on a relevant marketing topic. We're here to help you - not sell you! No fluff - just honest perspectives on where to invest your time, money, and energy to get the highest volume of quality new home leads to your sales teams. Take action on these ideas, and you can market proof your marketing efforts for your home building company.
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Kevin Oakley: New Home Marketing from Do You Convert
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Feb 19, 2026
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Episodes
Ep 427: Brush Your Teeth 19.02.2026 39:20
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Julie Jarnagin joins Caroline Collard and Jackie Lipinski to dive into the nitty gritty details that separate effective marketing from flashy trends and flimsy strategies. From unintended brand messaging in the biggest ads of the year to understanding the halo effect on your brand performance, this episode is full of the kind of compounding...
Ep 426: Disappointment is Optional 12.02.2026 46:07
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Host Kevin Oakley joins Jackie Lipinski and Beth Russell to discuss the coming shift from search sessions to decision sessions, the value of attention, the growing importance of giving your audience a clear next step, and the personal pain of clearing your browser cache. If you need a clear next step for your spring marketing plan, listen in...
Ep 422: It's Not Hard, It's Work 21.01.2026 52:23
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Host Kevin Oakley is joined by Jackie Lipinski and Beth Russell for a deep dive into the difference between strategy and intent, the tradeoffs that rule the day, and what you learn from failure. From timeless struggles with SEO, content creation strategy, and letting sales teams be marketers, to the timely news of Redfin's CEO departure and...
Ep 420: The Stop Doing List 08.01.2026 41:23
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Host Kevin Oakley joins Julie Jarnagin and Beth Russell for a timely conversation about what’s worth your effort in 2026. From Google audience size changes to alleged customer journey changes, this episode is all about right-sizing, prioritizing, and knowing when to say no. If your 2026 to-do list is already growing out of control, this epis...
Ep 418: When Housing Data is Already Late 25.12.2025 34:53
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Kevin Oakley welcomes Trevor Bacon, Chief Executive Officer of Parcl and Parcl Labs, to examine how real-time real estate data and market-based signals are changing the way housing markets are interpreted. Drawing on financial-market frameworks applied to residential real estate, Trevor explains why traditional pricing indexes often lag real...
Ep 417: The Most Terrible Time of the Year? 18.12.2025 30:41
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Julie Jarnagin, Beth Russell, and Caroline Collard discuss end of year plans, trends, and truths. From major brands’ flops to risky tactics built on good science, the team helps marketers chart a path through end of year planning that leans into what works and away from fads that will only dilute brand reputation in the year ahead. Story Tim...
Ep 416: Strong Signals for 2026 11.12.2025 38:55
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Kevin Oakley and Jackie Lipinski welcome a very special guest into the podcast studio. Caroline Collard is Do You Convert’s newest Marketing Coach, manages the Marketing Strategist team, and is lauded as DYC’s digital strategy secret weapon. With Caroline’s keen perspective in the mix, the team discusses end-of-year campaigns, video trends,...
Ep 414: Robots Gone Rogue 27.11.2025 29:39
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Julie Jarnagin joins Beth Russell on this special Thanksgiving edition to tackle the challenges marketers face in a world overflowing with information and AI slop. From breaking out of narrow thinking to sparking authentic connections with your audience, they share practical ways to transform your marketing by starting with the underlying th...
Ep 412: You Don't Have to Internalize the Valley 13.11.2025 45:43
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Host Kevin Oakley joins Jackie Lipinski in the studio to discuss technology, change, and the inevitability of pain. Kevin shares cogent examples (like choosing not to participate in a bad economy through a 500% tip) to illuminate counterintuitive mindset moves to keep builders moving forward. From the struggles that shape resilience to the r...
Ep 411: Realtor Gone Rogue 06.11.2025 58:40
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Nick Aufenkamp, founder of DIY Home Buyer Academy, joins Kevin Oakley to explore how transparency, data, and evolving buyer agency are rewriting the rules of real estate. Kevin and Nick share surprising takes on the current and future state of the Zillow + ChatGPT partnership. From start to finish, this episode is brimming with insights on w...
Ep 410: Marketing Merit Badges 30.10.2025 30:16
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Julie Jarnagin joins Beth Russell and Jackie Lipinski to explore what today’s challenges can teach marketers about grit, growth, and grace. From marketing merit badges to limiting factors, they discuss the perspective and strategy builders need to finish the year strong. Special AnnouncementsMarket Proof Marketing Academy 2026 is open for re...
Big Shifts with Zillow - Bonus Episode 24.10.2025 39:28
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: On this bonus episode, Qadra Evans, Director of Industry & Partner Engagement at Zillow, joins host Kevin Oakley for a look inside how one of the most-used housing platforms is adjusting to new demands in buyer behavior, builder engagement, and affordability. This conversation breaks down what’s evolving and how builders can interpret the si...
Ep 409: Oversimulated? 23.10.2025 47:02
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Kevin Oakley joins Julie Jarnagin and Beth Russell for conversations on ChatGPT considerations, Sora’s impact, shutdown shockwaves, and Halloween costumes. Whether you love or hate the rapid pace of change lately, this episode dives into the major shifts shaping the market and more. Special announcementsInterest in the January Market Proof M...
Ep 408: Don't Make Your Marketing the Toaster 16.10.2025 40:49
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Fresh from the Summit, Kevin Oakley sits down with Rachel Spaugh for Office Hours to debrief on what stood out most. From how AI is reshaping content to how marketers can hand off great ideas to sales without losing trust, this one’s all about clarity, compression, and exerting creative control without chaos. When More Isn’t BetterFaster isn...
Ep 407: New Tricks, Old Limits 09.10.2025 37:03
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Host Kevin Oakley joins Julie Jarnagin and Jackie Lipinski to unpack the newest AI experiments, marketing shifts, and growth mindsets shaping 2026 and beyond. From Meta’s surreal new playground to the delicate relationship between builder breakthroughs and removing “limiting factors,” this episode looks at how curiosity and clarity drive pro...
Ep 406: Margins, Myths and Market Moves 02.10.2025 15:11
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: In this solo episode, Kevin Oakley takes you inside the room at a recent ULI panel. Builders, sales leaders, and consultants gathered to debate the toughest questions facing the industry, and Kevin is pulling back the curtain to share exactly what he was asked and how he answered. Here are the five big questions he tackled:Beyond discou...
Ep 405: Certainty Can Dilute Value 24.09.2025 43:53
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Kevin Oakley and Rachel Spaugh are back in the studio for another round of Office Hours. In this episode, their discussion on AI, uncertainty, and messaging uncovers how to approach everything from fear to facts. Together they break down what to do when you need credibility and what's more powerful than certainty in your messaging right now....
Ep 404: Don't Become the Box 18.09.2025 37:39
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: In this episode, host Kevin Oakley is joined by guest Kim Sandoval, Director of Corporate Marketing for Classic Homes. Together they discuss Kim's nonlinear career path in homebuilder marketing, revealing salient reminders not to box in yourself, your career, or your company's growth with narrow thinking. As Kevin and Kim share the gift of r...
Ep 403: Too Young for Bing? 11.09.2025 29:54
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: In this episode, Julie Jarnagin joins Beth Russell and Jackie Lipinski to discuss diagnosing hidden community issues, aligning the whole team around intent, and how to nail messaging and positioning in a shifting market. From long-form articles around behavior data to hot takes on who actually uses Bing, this one is sure to have you thinking...
Ep 402: A Modern Mirage 04.09.2025 26:57
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: In this episode, Kevin Oakley joins Jackie Lipinski and Beth Russell in the studio to reflect on the fine lines between lying and storytelling in marketing, the attribution lies you must know (so you can avoid them), and how creatives in our industry are inspiring the DYC marketing team. Listen closely - this short episode packs in some...
Ep 401: Zoom Out and Take a Hike 28.08.2025 28:18
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: In this episode, Julie Jarnagin and Jackie Lipinski reflect on all things end-of-year mindset, creative messaging, and the joys of not getting eaten by bears. As Jackie and Julie summited the heights of Mt. Rainier with camping gear in tow, marketing inspiration found them where they least expected it. Today, they’re bringing all the fresh...
Ep 400: Songwriters, Work with Your Singers 21.08.2025 41:48
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: In this milestone 400th episode of Market Proof Marketing, Kevin Oakley, Julie Jarnagin, and Beth Russell share some provocative takes on what happens when marketing and sales stop collaborating and start competing for credit. When marketing and sales become a marriage on the rocks, someone has to take the first step toward resolution. Learn...
Ep 399: Office Hours - Attribution You Can Believe In 14.08.2025 43:51
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: In this episode, Rachel returns for another round of Office Hours with Kevin. Together, they unpack one of the most misunderstood, overindexed, and emotionally charged concepts in homebuilder marketing: attribution. Rachel, still relatively new to the industry, brings the curiosity of someone learning in real time, asking the foundational qu...
Ep 398: You Can't Optimize Despair 31.07.2025 38:00
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Julie Jarnagin joins Beth Russell and Jackie Lipinski to talk through burnout, delegation, and the invisible work that keeps marketers stuck. This episode isn’t about perfection; it’s about momentum. And it’s a lifeline for anyone trying to hold it all together with too little time and too few resources. Summit Special Announcement Summ...
Ep 397: Nervous Zebras, Quiet Revolutions with Brian Boero 24.07.2025 27:02
Listen, Like and Subscribe on Apple or Spotify Podcasts: Brian Boero, co-founder and CEO of 1000Watt, joins Kevin Oakley for a punchy, high-frequency conversation on how home builders can (and should) learn from the broader real estate world. With decades of insight from both agents and consumers, Brian brings a unique lens to current challenges – and opportunities – for builders navigating 2025’s...
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