Chris Achard and Christian Genco
Makers.dev
Chris and Christian build some software businesses.
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Chris Achard and Christian Genco
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Mar 11, 2025
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Episodes
80 5 Marketing Hot Takes for FileInbox 15.07.2022 1:05:14
Christian has been reading the book "Traction" by Gabriel Weinberg and Justin Mares and has 5 marketing hot take ideas that he wants feedback on. 00:00 Intro 03:33 Kaggle updates 07:58 AcornChat resubmitted 09:54 Cold call update 12:33 Traction book about marketing 17:56 Marketing hot take #1: Blogs 26:16 #2: Publicity 33:46 #3: Unconventional publicity 41:08 #3a: Live video feed...
79 SaaS Deep Dive with Johnny Tong 11.07.2022 1:08:25
We talk with Johnny Tong about how he bought a SaaS and is now struggling to grow it. Should he rebuild it? Dive into marketing? Rework the onboarding flow? Buy a bunch of ads? 00:00 Intro 02:47 What Johnny is looking for 10:01 SurveyBot overview 15:29 Buyer's guide 22:00 "The funnel" 28:45 Onboarding friction 33:49 The ups and downs of build vs buy 41:19 Conversion rate 44:19 Ma...
78 Ways to organize and live your life 30.06.2022 1:02:15
Christian went to Greece and got a new perspective on how he could be living. Chris resubmitted AcornChat to the Slack app store and finished up a Kaggle competition. 00:00 Intro 03:17 AcornChat submitted to the Slack app store 06:40 Kaggle Patent competition 16:51 Reinforcement learning 21:06 Covid (again) 25:40 Building a Second Brain 38:05 On Looking 47:14 FileInbox cold calling...
77 Cold calling is spooky 09.06.2022 1:06:52
Chris wants to spend a bunch of money. Christian got advice to do some cold calling, but it sounds spooky 👻. plus 2 bonus hot takes 00:00 Intro 01:30 3d printer, camera and gpus 06:52 Kaggle update 15:49 Slack app update 17:52 Advanced Operating Systems 21:28 Rust 23:30 Personal productivity 25:30 FileInbox update 28:09 TDD 33:21 Firebase security rules 38:26 Spooky recommen...
76 $20k MRR in 12 months (also Christian gets engaged 💍🥳) 03.06.2022 57:58
Chris is prepping for an AI for JS devs course. Christian gets engaged! Also, he wants to get to $20k MRR in 12 months, so we talk about how that would be possible. 00:00 Intro 01:28 AI for JS devs course 19:33 Too many Kaggle competitions 26:00 Christian gets engaged!!! 31:19 Parable of the pottery class 39:25 $20k MRR in 12 months 44:04 Do you really want that? 46:42 Is it better...
75 What sells well 26.05.2022 59:07
Christian makes an easy way to send email templates from FileInbox. Chris got a response from the Slack App Store, and is wasted a bunch of time on an ML bug. 00:00 Intro 02:47 Chris's week 04:21 Slack app store 11:18 Working on things that don't go anywhere 16:36 Christian did a bunch of stuff 21:31 Fileinbox email system 24:03 What sells well 28:57 ffmpeg 32:18 Free Fileinbox f...
74 Getting started is the hardest part 19.05.2022 1:01:20
Chris is in 3 different AI competitions (anyone want to know how GPS works?) and Christian was gone and describes how it feels to get back to work. He's also selling a paramotor, so hopefully that goes well 😆 00:00 Intro 01:07 Life and death reflections 07:00 Give yourself some leeway 12:10 Work is hard until it's easy 16:00 Kaggle competitions 18:17 Objective measures of learning 2...
73 SaaS math is bananas 12.05.2022 1:07:02
Chris was on a trip, and Christian fell off the co-working wagon. Also, focus on authenticity (on YouTube, but everywhere too) 00:00 Intro 04:06 Tests 08:57 Having a beginner's mind 10:32 Fileinbox bugs 16:21 Consulting 18:52 SaaS math is bananas 23:50 Talking to customers 24:31 Focus is fickle 27:20 Makers.dev early episodes 34:54 Youtube as a reliable source of information ...
72 Weeding and contract jobs 06.05.2022 48:03
Chris created his buyer's guide for acornchat. Christian gets another contracting job and wonders how to leverage that or if he should try to get more similar contracts. 00:00 Intro 00:50 SaaS buyer's guide 11:20 Look at all these salad dressings! 14:00 Machine learning theory and math 19:01 Fileinbox updates 24:37 Errands and engagement rings 32:09 Face follower contracting job 39...
71 $183.60 per hour 03.05.2022 1:05:14
Christian calculates his consulting rate per hour. Chris soft launched saastips.com and was immediately overwhelmed by email bot signups. After fixing that problem, it led to three new SaaS ideas. 00:00 Intro 02:57 Launching saastips.com 12:25 Fixing fake bot email signups 18:54 Hot take #1: email signup saas 23:55 Hot take #1.5: better newsletter sending UI 32:29 Hot take #2: Marketin...
70 Creating Successful Chrome Extensions with Tim Leland 21.04.2022 1:04:08
We chat with Tim Leland who runs a link shortener (t.ly) and a weather extension. We cover how he came up with the ideas, how he developed and marketed them, and where he sees the future of his products and Chrome extensions in general. 00:00 Intro 00:22 Tim Leland's start as a developer 05:24 The Chrome Extension Marketplace 09:52 Security concerns about Chrome extensions 16:21 Chrome change crea...
69 MicroConf Growth '22 Takeaways 14.04.2022 1:02:42
We both share our takeaways from Microconf. 00:00 Intro 00:37 Microconf growth '22 07:46 Takeaway #1: Focus instead of niche 13:16 Takeaway #2: Buying is harder than selling 19:35 subpoint: have a buyers guide 27:18 Takeaway #3: It's OK to optimize for experience instead of growth 39:05 Tall poppy syndrome 41:37 Excited for SaaS again 46:20 A nice little Italian restaurant on the internet 50:28 Ho...
68 Close to feature complete 08.04.2022 1:00:01
Chris almost has Acorn Chat feature complete and ready to submit to the Slack app store. Christian is getting close to finishing the serverless FileInbox v1. Also we talk about RSI and using voice commands as a potential way to limit injury. 00:00 Intro 00:37 Expectation maximization 06:06 Acorn Chat 09:10 Screenshots and video marketing 12:55 Simple can be a differentiating factor 17:50 New Kaggl...
67 Doing work for friends: paid or free? 31.03.2022 1:00:44
Chris is almost ready to submit his Slack app to the Slack app directory. Christian tries to figure out how to charge for work he wants to do for a friend. Christian also has ideas about home automation. 00:00 Intro 01:08 Kaggle essay competition 08:16 Building a Slack app 09:32 The amount of time things take to get done 17:09 Administrative poms 20:12 Home automation 37:50 Doing wor...
66 Why developers are bad at marketing 24.03.2022 53:26
MeetingPlace is sold, so Chris is working on his next SaaS. Christian keeps getting stuff done on FileInbox, and wonders when he can actually fly with his paramotor. 00:00 Intro 02:28 Microaquired 09:29 SaaS feelings 13:23 Why developers are bad at marketing 16:31 What is the core functionality? 17:58 AcornChat development roadmap 22:31 Kaggle update 28:50 Getting work done one step at a time 44:4...
65 Selling MeetingPlace Part 2 17.03.2022 42:01
Chris finalizes the sale of MeetingPlace. Christian worries that he's getting too productive. 00:00 Intro 01:03 Completing the sale of MeetingPlace 11:33 Should Christian sell something? 15:01 Data science 16:14 Coworking progress 21:30 Open vs closed mode of working 32:09 Admin work 38:49 Three Body Problem 40:29 Paramotor Adventure Timestamps created with https://clips.marketing by @cgenco
64 Selling a SaaS 10.03.2022 50:41
Chris sells a SaaS! Christian tries to figure out what makes him productive. [Sorry for the audio quality! - it gets better next week] 00:07 Slava Ukraini 03:31 Selling MeetingPlace 08:43 Advice for selling a SaaS 11:21 Strategy to build apps just to sell 13:53 Motivation to sell 16:15 SaaS valuation calculations 20:30 Data competitions 22:51 Accountability buddy effectiveness 27:03 Time estimates...
63 Accountability buddies 02.03.2022 45:44
Microconf is in 40 days! We talk about what we want to accomplish before then, and come up with a strategy to hold each other accountable and get stuff done. 00:00 Intro 01:18 MicroConf in 1.5 months 04:07 The next 40 days 10:22 Accountability buddies 15:13 AI competitions 19:13 Tesla safe driving score 24:20 Writing mini blog posts 31:42 Paramotoring 33:45 Flashcard app 38:54 The big SaaS idea fo...
62 Have you ever made a french fry? 24.02.2022 1:02:08
Chris has to relearn a bunch of math and tries to figure out how to teach it as well. Christian has a new way to try to get things done by delaying work on his fun projects. 00:00 Intro 03:08 ML Math 08:16 Teaching as you're learning 17:57 Games that you can't lose 22:08 Anki flashcards app 31:55 New tactic to get things done 36:04 Making clear priorities for Christian's assistant 40:18 Have you e...
61 Like a Boss 18.02.2022 59:14
Chris tries to figure out how to learn the math he needs for ML by teaching it. Christian buys a new domain name, then works on another project for 16 hours and tries to figure out how to deliver it. 00:00 Intro 03:38 Benefits of taking a break 08:28 How to teach math? 12:52 Am I a web dev or actually shifting to AI? 14:07 Snow water equivalent competition 19:23 Doge wordle 26:50 Feeling like a BO...
60 Having a Really Productive Week 10.02.2022 56:39
Christian had a really productive week and would like to figure out how to have more weeks like that. Chris is doing well in a Kaggle competition and had to learn a bunch of math for ML this week. 00:00 Intro 02:11 ML math is like coding 08:45 How Kaggle promotes code and idea sharing 18:12 Balancing family life and work 27:20 Christian's super productive week 33:04 Stripe extension vs coding your...
59 Baby's First Employee 02.02.2022 55:07
Christian's executive assistant experiment is going great. Chris has to learn a lot more math to do his ML class. Christian has great LEGO aspirations. 00:00 Intro 00:42 LaTeX 06:44 How to learn by teaching 13:28 ML for essay classification 19:39 Folding data into bins 25:22 Christian's executive assistant is great 38:13 FileInbox Stripe integration 46:33 Harry Potter LEGO Timestamps created with...
58 Christian gets an Executive Assistant 26.01.2022 54:53
Christian finally gets an executive assistant! Chris finishes the pet kaggle competition and prepares to start the next semester of his masters program. 00:00 Intro 02:47 Chris cleans up 07:13 Adam Savage's rules for putting things away 13:16 Kaggle top 6% 18:34 Overcoming futile feelings 21:08 Public and private leader boards are different 27:13 Crypto trading is still gambling 28:46 AcornChat Sl...
57 Productive Procrastination 19.01.2022 55:35
Can we only get a lot accomplished if we have something more important to do that we are ignoring? Both Chris and Christian had productive weeks, but only by ignoring other things that we were supposed to do... 00:00 Intro 01:07 Getting stuck on features 07:25 Why features feel good 10:03 Next steps for AcornChat 11:04 Frustrated at Kaggle competition 17:21 Difference between cats and dogs 18:13 A...
56 Dude, where's my laptop? 13.01.2022 51:29
Chris re-learns that to go fast you have to slow down. Christian rediscovers who his best customers are and tries to focus on getting more like them. Then he tries to sell a laptop... 00:00 Intro 00:27 Chris did nothing 01:26 Go slow to go fast 05:55 Software is magic 11:04 Dropbox api upgrade 19:01 Won't you be my boss? 31:16 Dude, where's my laptop? Timestamps created with https://clips.marketin...
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