Justin Frank and Kate Dryden

LOOPHOLES

Business EN ↓ 5 episodes

A podcast investigating the breakdowns and breakthroughs in our circular systems and infrastructure. Loopholes is pulling back the curtain on the messy middle of the circular economy. Where good intentions meet broken bins, bold policies, and the reality of ageing infrastructure. Hosted by Justin Frank (Goterra) and Kate Dryden (Sphere Infrastructure), each episode explores what’s working, what’s failing, and what it’s really going to take to close the loop for good. From FOGO rollouts to global case studies, we spotlight the changemakers, innovators, and revolutionaries driving the shift to c...

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Justin Frank and Kate Dryden

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Soft Plastics, Hard Truths with Barry Cosier, Co-CEO, Soft Plastics Stewardship Australia Video 06.10.2025 37:56

What do we need to address Australia’s soft plastics problem? In this episode, we sit down with Barry Cosier, Co-CEO of Soft Plastics Stewardship Australia to unpack the long road to the ACCC’s draft determination, the rise of new recycling infrastructure, and why standards, traceability, and demand are the missing links. From sausage factories to KitKat wrappers, this conversation pulls apart the...

Closing the Loop: A Tale of Two Resources Video 03.09.2025 52:55

Guests: Jonathan Maybury & Stephanie Clark (SUEZ ANZ) In this episode, Kate Dryden and Justin Frank sit down with SUEZ leaders Jonathan Maybury (waste) and Stephanie Clark (water) for a straight-talking look at why Australia still thinks in straight lines, and how to bend systems into a circular shape. From Singapore’s NEWater to WA’s aquifer recharge and the politics of social licence, they u...

The FOGO Gap : Part 2 Inside the Industry Video 29.07.2025 43:50

In this episode of Loopholes , co-hosts Justin Frank and Kate Dryden speak with Roslyn Florie-George , Executive General Manager of Strategic Growth and Infrastructure at SoilCo. Soilco specialises in organics recycling and compost production . Soilco works at the intersection of waste management, soil health, and regenerative agriculture by transforming organic waste, such as food scraps, green w...

Beyond the Bin with Gayle Sloan, CEO, WMRR - Why Australia Needs to Rethink Consumption, Production & Waste Video 08.07.2025 47:21

In this episode, industry leader Gayle Sloan joins Kate Dryden and Justin Frank for an unfiltered conversation about Australia's resource recovery challenges — and how real change starts before the bin. From the politics of standardised legislation to the uncomfortable truth about overconsumption, Gayle calls out Australia's global reputation as one of the most wasteful nations and explains why we...

The FOGO Gap with Tony Chappel, CEO, NSW EPA Video 17.06.2025 48:07

What happens when bold organics mandates meet real world infrastructure gaps? Tony Chappel, CEO, NSW EPA  joins us to unpack the risks, realities, and opportunities behind NSW’s FOGO rollout. This episode covers that and so much more. From what good leadership looks like, to ridiculous packaging, to who’s really moving the needle in circularity. What is FOGO? FOGO stands for Food Organics and...