Dr. Thomas J Rundel

Liminal Living

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Welcome to the Liminal Living Podcast, where we dive deep into the realm of liminal spaces—those transitional phases where uncertainty is our companion. I'm your host and curator of conversations, Dr. Tom Rundel, and it's my pleasure to serve as your guide through these uncharted territories. With a doctoral background in spirituality and leadership from Portland Seminary, my research has centered on the spirituality found in the narratives of liminality in the Bible, but I have expanded my research to include other faith traditions and cognitive science. Since our launch in 2023, we've been d...

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Dr. Thomas J Rundel

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Latest episode

Apr 1, 2026

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164: Grand Theft Donkey: Palm Sunday Reflections 01.04.2026

Episode Notes: Summary of Arguments 1. Palm Sunday is a political confrontation, not a celebration. Tom establishes the historical and cultural context: Jerusalem at Passover swelled from 30,000 to upward of 500,000 people. Rome, aware of the uprising potential, flooded the city with military forces. On the same day Jesus processed in from the east on a donkey, Roman Governor Pontius Pilate rode i...

163: Tom Rundel: Power Has No God: The Raising of Lazarus 25.03.2026

Jesus is a wanted man. He’s been run out of Jerusalem twice, nearly stoned to death, and is hiding in the wilderness when word arrives: your friend Lazarus is dying. What he does next—and how long he waits before doing it—will raise more questions than it answers. In this message from John 11, Tom Rundel explores the theology of delay, the geography of exile, and the difference between the kind of...

162: Tom Rundel: Jesus Performs and Unauthorized Miracle 18.03.2026

Episode Summary Jesus heals a man born blind using mud and spit — a deliberate echo of Genesis 2 and a declaration that the sacred arrives through the physical, not despite it. But the miracle is almost beside the point. The real story is what happens next: a twenty-verse interrogation by the Pharisees who cannot allow this healing to mean what it means, because it would unravel the world they've...

161: Tom Rundel: Where is God When the System Fails You? 11.03.2026

  Follow the Drinking Gourd: A Map Encoded in Song Tom opens with his love of astronomy and the Big Dipper, tracing it to the African American folk song "Follow the Drinking Gourd" — a secret map taught to enslaved people escaping north on the Underground Railroad. The stars, the rivers, and the mysterious guide Peg Leg Joe become an extended metaphor for the kind of liberation the Woman at the We...

160: Tom Rundel: Pretense is the Enemy of the Spiritual Life 04.03.2026

In this conversation, Tom Rundel explores the deeper meanings and contexts surrounding the famous biblical verse John 3:16, discussing its historical significance, the character of Nicodemus, and the spiritual journey of understanding faith. He emphasizes the importance of context in scripture, the role of doubt in faith, and the transformative practices of Lent as a means to deepen one's spiritua...

159: Tom Rundel: The Devil Wears Vestments 25.02.2026

In this conversation, Tom Rundel explores the significance of Lent as a time for spiritual recalibration and intentional practices. He emphasizes the importance of understanding hunger versus appetite, the experience of mortality through hunger, and the temptations faced by Jesus. The discussion culminates in an invitation for personal reflection and growth during Lent, highlighting the power of l...

158: Tom Rundel: God Will Not Be Managed, Only Met 18.02.2026

In this conversation, Tom Rundel reflects on Black History Month, focusing on the inspiring story of Ruby Bridges and her courage during the Civil Rights Movement. He discusses the significance of Norman Rockwell's painting, 'The Problem We All Live With,' and how it encapsulates the struggles faced by Ruby as she integrated an all-white school. The conversation transitions into the themes of moun...

157: Tom Rundel: Christian Nationalism Can't Survive Matthew 5 11.02.2026

In this conversation, Tom Rundel explores the profound teachings of the Sermon on the Mount, emphasizing its counterintuitive nature and the challenges it presents to individuals across the Christian spectrum. He delves into the historical context of Rosa Parks and the Montgomery Bus Boycott, illustrating how acts of non-violence and dignity can challenge oppressive systems. The discussion further...

156: Tom Rundel: The Light We Cannot See 04.02.2026

In this conversation, Tom Rundel shares personal anecdotes and insights about the nature of light, the teachings of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount, and the significance of the Beatitudes. He emphasizes the importance of understanding unseen forces that affect our lives, the transformative power of imagination, and the call to justice and mercy as central themes in the Beatitudes. The discussion...

155: Tom Rundel: Speaking Truth to Power 28.01.2026

This conversation explores the context of Jesus' beginning ministry, the nature of time, the role of prophets in society, ancient fishermen, and the call to solidarity and healing within communities. Tom Rundel shares personal fishing memories, transitions into discussing the serious nature of fishing in Jesus' time, and delves into the importance of understanding time as a social construct. He em...

154: Tom Rundel: The Lamb of God vs The Eagle of Rome 21.01.2026

n this episode, Tom Rundel delves into the historical and theological significance of Pope Sergius I's refusal to conform to political pressures in the late seventh century, particularly regarding the phrase 'Lamb of God.' This pivotal moment in church history illustrates the tension between faith and power, as Sergius stood firm in his beliefs despite the threat of arrest. Rundel draws parallels...

153: Tom Rundel: Worship What You Have Burned. Burn What You Have Worshipped 14.01.2026

In this conversation, Tom Rundel reflects on his journey from city life to a deeper understanding of faith, exploring themes of baptism, identity, and the call to repentance. He shares personal anecdotes and historical insights, particularly focusing on the significance of baptism as a transformative act that reveals one's true identity as beloved by God. The discussion emphasizes the importance o...

152: Tom Rundel: The Radical Theology of Incarnation 07.01.2026

This conversation explores the life and theology of Julian of Norwich, a 14th-century mystic who lived through the Black Death. Tom Rundel discusses how Julian's experiences shaped her radical theology, emphasizing God's love and presence in suffering. The conversation also delves into the nature of God, the distinction between the world and God's kingdom, and the importance of radical inclusion i...

151: Tom Rundel: The Political Tyranny of Herod the Great 31.12.2025

summaryThis conversation explores the unique perspectives of the Gospels, particularly focusing on the historical context of the Hebrew people, the rise and rule of Herod the Great, and the implications of Jesus' birth in relation to Herod's tyranny. It delves into the narrative parallels between Moses and Jesus, the significance of lamentation as a form of resistance, and the overarching theme of...

150: Tom Rundel: Love is Not Sentiment 24.12.2025

This reflection explores love as a disruptive, risky, and compassionate force revealed in the Advent story of Joseph and Mary. Rather than portraying love as perfection or rule-following, it shows how imperfect love—choosing mercy over fear and presence over withdrawal—is enough to bring God into the world. Joseph’s decision to stay, despite uncertainty and social risk, reframes righteousness as c...

149: Tom Rundel: Peace is Not the Absence of Chaos 17.12.2025

In this episode, Dr. Tom Rundel explores the themes of Advent, focusing on peace as a central concept. He reflects on personal experiences of chaos and stress, particularly during a planned power outage, and contrasts these with moments of genuine peace found in community service. The discussion delves into the nature of peace, emphasizing that it is not merely the absence of chaos but a powerful...

148: Tom Rundel: Joy is Not a Mood 10.12.2025

He contrasts joy with happiness, emphasizing that joy is a deeper, more resilient state that can coexist with sorrow and is not dependent on circumstances. The discussion also delves into the historical context of apartheid in South Africa and how Tutu's joyful spirit served as a powerful form of resistance against oppression. The conversation concludes with an invitation to meditate on joy and it...

147: Tom Rundel: Toxic Positivity Vs Hope 03.12.2025

In this episode, Tom Rundel explores the concept of hope versus toxic positivity, particularly within the context of Advent and the Christian faith. He discusses how hope is often misunderstood as mere optimism or positivity, and instead argues that true hope involves acknowledging reality and potential, even in the face of despair. Rundel shares personal insights and experiences, emphasizing the...

146: Tom Rundel: God is Not an Idea 26.11.2025

In this episode, Tom Rundel explores the meaning of Christ the King Sunday, the conclusion of the liturgical year, and uses Psalm 46 to challenge the common Western tendency to treat God as a mere idea rather than an embodied reality. Rundel unpacks the Psalmist’s imagery—refuge, river, stillness—to point listeners toward a faith that is lived, practiced, and experienced in the body, not simply th...

145: Bruce Epperly: Process, Peace, and the Planet. Healing the World 19.11.2025

In this episode of Liminal Living , Tom Rundel welcomes theologian and author Bruce Epperly back for his third appearance to discuss his new book, Healing the World: Whitehead, Francis, Clare, and Bonaventure on Spiritual and Planetary Transformation . Their conversation flows through themes of hope, mysticism, process theology, and spiritual imagination in a world in need of healing. They explore...

144: Kathy Khang: You Made it Weird, When Faith Divorces from Life 12.11.2025

In this engaging conversation, Tom Rundel and Kathy Khang explore the complexities of faith, deconstruction, and the journey towards reimagining spirituality in a modern context. They discuss the importance of love, community, and the challenges of navigating conversations with differing perspectives. Kathy shares her insights on embodied theology, the significance of human connection, and the nee...

143: Chad Bahl: Beyond the Pitchfork: A Process Relational View of Demonic Evil 05.11.2025

takeaways If a good God exists, why does suffering occur? We often attribute suffering to a greater good. The mystery of God's plan can be hard to understand. Tragedies like cancer and war challenge our beliefs. Supernaturalism becomes problematic when faced with evil. The death of children raises profound questions about faith. World events like the Holocaust complicate the narrative of a good Go...

142: Thomas Jay Oord: Why Prayer "Doesn't Work." Re-enchanting the World 29.10.2025

Deconstruction is a journey many are experiencing. The dichotomy of natural and supernatural is outdated. Prayer should be seen as cooperation with God. God's omnipotence is often misunderstood. Selective miracles create distrust in God. Enchantment in the world is often overlooked. Philosophy and theology should work together. Resurrection narratives can be reinterpreted. Life after death may inv...

141: Andrew M Davis: Cosmological Humility, Living Between Science and Spirit 22.10.2025

takeaways Philosophy begins in wonder and should cultivate it. The universe is not disenchanted; it is full of wonder. Science and spirituality can coexist and enrich each other. Values are perceived through our consciousness and are objective. Art and poetry play a crucial role in understanding reality. Experiences of enchantment can be reintroduced into our lives. The journey of understanding de...

140: Anthony Smith: This Ain't Revival 15.10.2025

Chapters Navigating Change: Personal and Professional Transitions The Political Landscape: Insights from Local Governance Reimagining God: Contrasting Views in Christianity The Kingdom of God: Understanding Its True Nature Revival or Division? The Current State of Christianity The Echoes of McCarthyism Awakening from Christian Nationalism The Cruelty of Reality The Cost of Austerity Revival and Re...

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