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Leading Complexity

Business EN ↓ 43 episodes

This video podcast brings together Agile, Systems Thinking, Complexity Thinking, and Product Models in a way that’s easy to understand. In each episode, we explore innovative strategies with leading experts in leadership. Join us to learn how to help your organization thrive and lead in today’s fast-changing, complex, and highly competitive world.

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Crisp

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Business

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leadingcomplexity.com

Latest episode

Nov 12, 2025

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Episodes

#18 - Interview with Stephen Bungay 19.11.2024

In episode 18 of the Leading Complexity Podcast, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe engage with Stephen Bungay, strategist, author, and expert on strategy execution, best known for his book The Art of Action. Throughout the conversation, Tomas and Michael highlight and clarify key concepts, as Stephen unpacks his framework for bridging the gap between strategy and execution, especially in com...

#17 - Interview with Matthew Skelton 12.11.2024

In episode 17 of the Leading Complexity Podcast, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe sit down with Matthew Skelton, co-author of Team Topologies. This insightful conversation delves into how organizations can adapt in today’s complex and fast-evolving environment. Tomas and Michael guide listeners through key parts of the interview, highlighting Skelton’s expertise on team structures, organiza...

#16 - Interview with Petra Wille 05.11.2024

In this episode, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe engage with Petra Wille, renowned product leadership coach and author of "Strong Product People" and "Strong Product Communities". Through a compelling discussion, they dive into Petra’s insights on what makes product management “the best job on the planet” and the essential elements for building a resilient product culture. Tomas and Michae...

#15 - Interview with Jos de Blok 29.10.2024

In this episode of "Leading Complexity", Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe dive into an inspiring conversation with Jos de Blok, founder and CEO of Buurtzorg, a groundbreaking community care organization from the Netherlands. Known for its revolutionary self-organizing model, Buurtzorg has transformed healthcare by empowering nurses to deliver personalized care free from complex bureaucracy. Tomas...

#14 - Interview with Joe Justice 22.10.2024

In this episode of the Leading Complexity podcast, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe interview Joe Justice, a pioneer in Agile hardware development. Joe has led Agile practices at major companies such as Google, Amazon, Microsoft, Boeing, Tesla, and Toyota, and he founded Wikispeed, a car manufacturing company focused on creating the most energy-efficient road-legal car. In the interview, Jo...

#13 – Interview with Dave Snowden 15.10.2024

In this episode of the Leading Complexity podcast, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe interview Dave Snowden, the founder of the Cynefin framework, a decision-making model designed to help leaders navigate complexity. Dave shares insights on how complexity is an inherent part of the world and why traditional management tools are insufficient for addressing it. The conversation explores the importan...

#12 – Interview with Nand Kishore Chaudhary (NKC) 08.10.2024

In this episode of the Leading Complexity video podcast, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe interview Nand Kishore Chaudhary (NKC) , a renowned social entrepreneur and the founder of Jaipur Rugs. NKC shares the inspiring journey of how he transformed a small business with two looms and nine weavers into a global brand, empowering 40,000 artisans across India. The hosts highlight NKC's unique busine...

#11 – Interview with Henrik Kniberg 01.10.2024

In this episode of the Leading Complexity video podcast, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe dive into an insightful conversation with Henrik Kniberg, renowned for his influential books Scrum and XP from the Trenches and Lean from the Trenches. Henrik shares his deep expertise in navigating organizational complexity and highlights key leadership lessons from his extensive experience at companies lik...

#10 - Interview with Sonja Blignaut 24.09.2024

In this episode of the Leading Complexity podcast, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe dive into a conversation with Sonja Blignaut, creator of the Waysfinder framework. Sonja explains how her framework helps leaders navigate complexity by fostering situational awareness and embracing multiple potential pathways forward. Throughout the episode, Tomas and Michael highlight key concepts such as...

#9 - Interview with Kent Beck 17.09.2024

In this episode of the *Leading Complexity* video podcast, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe dive into an insightful conversation with Kent Beck, a renowned figure in software development and the creator of eXtreme Programming. Kent shares his experiences and thoughts on leadership, complexity, and the four factors model, explaining how interdependencies, variation, states, and irreversibili...

#8 - Interview with Simon Wardley 10.09.2024

In this episode of the Leading Complexity video podcast, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe interview Simon Wardley, the creator of Wardley Mapping. Wardley Mapping is a powerful tool for visualizing value chains and enabling strategic conversations about organizational complexity. Throughout the interview, Wardley shares the origins of his mapping method and its value in helping businesses n...

#7 - Interview with Annika Steiber 03.09.2024

In this episode, hosts Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe sit down with Annika Steiber, a renowned researcher in innovation management and author of influential books like The Google Model and Leadership for a Digital World . Annika shares her insights on how management must evolve in response to technological advancements, globalization, and sustainability challenges. She discusses the critical ne...

#6 – Interview with Gary Hamel 27.08.2024

In this episode, Tomas and Michael interview Gary Hamel, one of the most influential and iconoclastic business thinkers of our time. Gary shares his revolutionary ideas on modern management, emphasizing the need to move beyond outdated bureaucratic structures. He discusses how empowering teams with business literacy, financial stakes, and a deep understanding of their operating context can unlock...

#5 – Interview with Woody Zuill 20.08.2024

In this episode, Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe, are excited to talk with Woody Zuill, the creator of mob programming, now known as software teaming. Woody shares how collaborative teamwork can transform problem-solving in complex environments. Let’s dive into our conversation with Woody and discover how to lead your organization more effectively in a fast-changing world.

#4 - Interview with Bonnitta Roy 13.08.2024

Join Tomas Björkholm and Michael Göthe as they dive into an insightful conversation with Bonitta Roy, followed by their thoughtful reflections on her wisdom. Bonnitta Roy is an international award-winning author, presenter, and trainer. She is the creator of the OPO – Open Participatory Organization and Founder of APP Associates International (now C-LABS). She is the author of the popular medium p...

#3 - Interview with Erin Meyer 06.08.2024

Michael Göthe and Tomas Björkholm are listening to the interview with Erin Meyer and reflects on the content. Erin Meyer, the co-author of “No Rules Rules”, explores how a strong, dilemma-solving culture has been key to Netflix’s success.

#2 - Interview with Peter Block 31.07.2024

Michael Göthe and Tomas Björkholm are listening to an interview with Peter Block and give their reflections on what Peter calls Leader as a Convener. Peter is partner at Designed Learning, a training company that offers workshops designed to build the skills outlined in his books. His books include Flawless Consulting, Stewardship, The Answer to How Is Yes, Community, The Abundant Community, and A...

#1 - Interview with Esther Derby 24.07.2024

Michael Göthe and Tomas Björkholm listen to an interview with Esther Derby, a well-known thought leader within the Agile community, and give their reflections on the content.

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