Liz Dye; Andrew Torrez

Law and Chaos

Ignorance of the law is no excuse! That's true for a traffic stop, and it's true if you want to participate in whatever's left of American democracy. If the events since the 2016 election taught us anything, it's that tuning out is not an option. Legal journalists Liz Dye and Andrew Torrez break down the week's most important courtroom stories, so you can keep on top of this crazy news cycle. Whether it's Texas giving two middle fingers to the Supreme Court, or Donald Trump in all the courts at once, we've got you covered.

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Liz Dye; Andrew Torrez

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Government

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Jul 10, 2026

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Episodes

Ep 144 — Don't Make Us Side With Disney And Harvard 24.06.2025

The Supreme Court's howler monkey wing greenlights Trump's third country renditions without notice and cuts the legs out from underneath the entire federal judiciary. So much for CJ Roberts, protector of the courts! And the Ninth Circuit lets Trump steal California's National Guard for a fictitious emergency. In better news, Harvard gets an injunction against the government's effort to kneecap it...

Ep 143 — SCOTUS Bullies Trans Kids 20.06.2025

This week the Supreme Court's conservatives greenlit an all-out attack on trans kids and their healthcare. So much for parents' rights! At least Alex Jones is still bankrupt. And the trustee in his bankruptcy case just sued him to claw back millions of dollars in "fraudulent" transfers to his friends and family. Plus, we'll discuss NYC Comptroller Brad Lander, Judge Hannah Dugan, and everyone else...

Ep 142 — Who Is The Administrator of DOGE (feat. Anna Bower) 17.06.2025

Liz and Andrew welcome Lawfare's Anna Bower back to the show to discuss her singular obsession: who is the administrator of DOGE? Find out why that's still a critical question and what discovering the answer might mean in terms of undoing policy, preserving records, and more.   Links:   Who Is The Administrator of DOGE, by Anna Bower https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/lawfare-daily--witaod   Sho...

Ep 141 — California to Trump: DROP DEAD 13.06.2025

A federal judge has ruled that Donald Trump illegally seized control of the California National Guard. We tell you everything that means and what happens next. Also, Kilmar Abrego Garcia is home and facing trumped-up charges in Tennessee. And Alina Habba is still cosplaying as a prosecutor, and this time she's decided to try and indict a sitting member of Congress for doing her job.   Links:   New...

Ep 140 — Protest =/= Rebellion 10.06.2025

The Trump administration is trying to provoke a riot in California by "federalizing" the National Guard. We'll tell you what that means and what legal recourse blue states and cities have to resist being occupied by the military. Plus, it turns out that the Trump administration could facilitate the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia after all, it just needed to gin up a dubious criminal indictment fir...

Ep 139 — You Get A Civ Pro, And You Get A Civ Pro… 06.06.2025

Justin Baldoni's lawyers are wilding out, the Justice Department is suing to purge North Carolina's voter rolls, and Pillow Pumper Mike Lindell is teaching us about journalism shield laws. And for subscribers: Have Trump's minions discovered one weird trick that will allow them to steal Congress's tariff authority?   Links:   Kingdom v. Trump https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69717615/kingdom-v...

Ep 138 — Trump Admin Courts Contempt In Every Court At Once 03.06.2025

The Trump Administration is putting the Justice Department in a terrible bind. DOJ lawyers can tell judges the truth and admit that the government is deliberately violating court orders. Or they can bob and weave and prevaricate and cross their fingers and hope it all comes out okay. But that strategy is running into a brick wall as courts are increasingly ruling against the government. Plus for s...

Ep 137 — Trump's Bad Week In All The Courts 30.05.2025

This week Trump got his ass kicked in courts no one's ever heard of! From tariffs to immigration, Harvard to WilmerHale, it's been a week of losing bigly. Andrew and Liz will break it down and explain what's next.   Links:   Harvard College v. Department of Health and Human Services [Docket via Court Listener] https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69921962/president-and-fellows-of-harvard-college-v...

Ep 136 — Trump Announces Plan To Break Law. Gets Immediately Enjoined. Again. 27.05.2025

President Trump's genius plan to announce that he's about to violate the First Amendment — and then do it! — runs into the judicial buzzsaw as two federal courts restrain his attacks on Harvard and the law firm Jenner & Block. And his campaign's lawsuit against Iowa pollster Ann Selzer continues to be a humiliating series of self-owns. But SCOTUS hands the administration a win by allowing the pres...

Ep 135 — Deadpool Teaches Civ Pro & Church And State Are Still Separate (For Now!) 23.05.2025

It's been another wild week of injunctions, executive orders, and just plain insanity from the Trump administration. Then, we'll let Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni teach us about civil procedure. And for a deep dive, we discuss a surprising recusal from Justice Barrett that preserves what's left of the separation of church and state.   Links:   How Trump Officials Debated Handling of the Abrego G...

Ep 134 — Everybody Hates Sam (and ChatGPT) 20.05.2025

The Supreme Court does one good thing on immigration, which made Sam Alito BIG MAD. And although the administration has been stymied (for now) in its efforts to rendition detainees out of the country with no notice, the Supreme Court did allow the Trump administration to end Temporary Protected Status for hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans. Then, since we all need a good chuckle, we spend some t...

Ep 133 — The Supreme Court is LAWLESS (feat. Leah Litman) 16.05.2025

Today, Liz and Andrew interview Prof. Leah Litman about her book Lawless: How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories, and Bad Vibes. And, as if to prove the point, the Supreme Court today entertained absolutely nonsense arguments in the birthright citizenship cases about how district courts can't issue the kind of injunctions they've issued for the past two centuries bec...

Ep 132 — For My Friends, A Plane. For My Enemies, The Law. 13.05.2025

Meta thinks that if you steal tens of millions of books, the value of each individual theft rounds down to zero. Is that the law? (No.) Also, the Qatari Royal family wants to give Donald Trump a half-billion-dollar plane and make the US government pay to renovate it. Turns out, that hasn't been legal for more than two hundred years, but who's counting? Oh, and the administration arrested the Mayor...

Ep 131 — Trial Judges Know What's Up 09.05.2025

While SCOTUS is MIA, trial judges across the country are stepping up. The full Circuit Court in DC leaps in to save Voice of America from the May hell panel hearing emergency appeals. A judge in Maryland orders the government to facilitate the return of a man wrongly deported to the Salvadoran gulag. No, not Kilmar Abrego Garcia — another one! In New York, a third trial judge rules that we are NOT...

Ep 130 — The Justice Department Is Borked 06.05.2025

On today's episode, we break down how Radio Free Europe just might be the key to preserving the separation of powers in America. We talk the Tucker Act and all of the pretextual, vapid, and/or just plain wrong arguments coming out of Trump's Department of Justice. Perkins Coie wins their case in front of Our Favorite Beryl, a dingus is trying to sue Chief Justice John Roberts, and Maine's Governor...

Ep 129 — No, We Are Not At War With Venezuela 02.05.2025

Well, it's finally happened. A federal judge has finally ruled that we are not being invaded by Venezuela and so the president can't just shout "ALIEN ENEMIES ACT" as an excuse to kidnap people and send them to a torture gulag in El Salvador. And it was a Trump appointee who did it! Also, Mike Lindell is somehow still here. Links: Conservative Judge Saves VOA, Savages SCOTUS https://www.lawandchao...

Ep 128 — Trump Plan Impress Judges By Perpwalking One Of Their Colleagues Backfires Bigly 29.04.2025

Judges across the country are calling BS on the Trump administration's lies in court. But the government has come up with a genius plan to impress the judiciary by perpwalking a Wisconsin judge out of her own courthouse. If that doesn't work, they'll try contaminated milk. Links:   STRENGTHENING AND UNLEASHING AMERICA'S LAW ENFORCEMENT TO PURSUE CRIMINALS AND PROTECT INNOCENT CITIZENS https://www....

Ep 127 — You get a TRO! And you get a TRO! Everyone gets a TRO! 25.04.2025

After burning down its credibility with every judge in the country, the Trump administration finds itself slapped with injunctions in every courtroom. Coincidence? Plus, the Department of Homeland Security discovers one weird trick to get around court orders barring deportations. And it is … to stand back and let the Defense Department do it for them!   Links:   MTA v. Duffy (NY Congestion Pricing...

Ep 126 — SCOTUS Decides Maybe There Is Something In The Constitution About Due Process After All 22.04.2025

The Trump administration spent the weekend trying hard to rendition immigrants to foreign gulags. But Supreme Court took some baby steps this weekend toward maybe possibly doing their damn jobs and ensuring that the rule of law survives. And in the biggest surprise since the stock market dropping like a rock on news of crippling tariffs on China, Pete Hegseth is texting war plans AGAIN. And for su...

Ep 125 — Trial Judges Stand Up As SCOTUS Cowers 18.04.2025

Chief Justice Roberts and the howler monkeys rolled over and played dead. But lower court judges understand the assignment, including Fourth Circuit Judge Harvie Wilkinson, a conservative icon. He read Trump — and implicitly the Supreme Court — for filth. But will it be enough? Liz and Andrew discuss the latest developments in the Salvadoran rendition cases. Plus, Trump moves to put US taxpayers o...

Ep 124 — So Much For SCOTUS's Brilliant Plan To Head Off That Judicial Crisis 15.04.2025

If Chief Justice Roberts thought he was going to protect the judiciary by throwing trial judges under the bus, he was spectacularly mistaken. The case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia is hurtling toward contempt proceedings, with the government in open defiance of the court's order to un-kidnap him. And meanwhile, Attorney General Pam Bondi is running the Justice Department like an arm of the Trump campaig...

Ep 123 — SCOTUS Will Protect Due Process. A Little Bit. If It Has To. 11.04.2025

The Supreme Court had two big immigration rulings this week on deportees to the Salvadoran gulag prison: One terrible and one … marginally okay. Meanwhile at the White House, Tariff Man is running amok! Luckily, he extorted hundreds of millions of dollars worth of big firm billable hours to defend the government. But not from Susman Godfrey, the target of his latest wildly illegal executive order....

Ep 122 — Hang Together or Hang Separately (feat. Ken White) 08.04.2025

Liz and Andrew sit down with fellow legal podcaster Ken White, AKA "Popehat," to discuss the Trump administration's attack on law firms. Who's fighting? Who's folding? And who's f—ed? Plus an update on the case of the Maryland man deported to a torture prison in El Salvador, and the legal effort to get him home. And for subscribers: The DC Circuit considers if Humphreys Executor is dead, or just m...

Ep 121 — Trump's Tariff Math … It's Dumber Than You Think 04.04.2025

Why does the President of the United States not know what tariffs are, why does he want to crash the world economy, and can he do any of it? We answer as many of those questions as we can. Come for phi times epsilon times m sub i, stay for the Trading With the Enemy Act of 1917. Plus! Judge James Boasberg in D.C. is NOT HAPPY the administration flouted his orders and intends to figure out who was...

Ep 120 — All The President's Restraining Orders 01.04.2025

Time to round up the latest in lawsuits against the Trump administration. The trans military ban is blocked. Renditioning Venezuelans to El Salvador without due process is blocked. The shutdown of the CFPB is blocked. The shutdown of the US Inst of Peace … not blocked. Yet! Liz and Andrew run down a bunch of the Trump cases and explain why it seems like every day brings another restraining order....

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