School of Civic and Economic Thought and Leadership

Keeping It Civil

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Keeping It Civil is hosted by Henry Thomson and co-produced by the School of Civic and Economic Thought and Leadership and Arizona PBS. The podcast seeks answers to key questions about the future of American life with fast-paced interviews with scholars and intellectuals.

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Nov 14, 2025

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Episodes

S6E8: Paul Johnson | What’s Right With America 14.11.2025

In this episode, Paul Johnson, former mayor of Phoenix and U.S. State Department delegate to Saudi Arabia and Poland, discusses the ideas in his new book What’s Right With America… And How We Can Keep It That Way!, co-authored with Larry Aldrich. Also, the host of the podcasts The Optimistic American and New Frontiers, Johnson explores enduring American values such as freedom, justice, and liberty...

S6E7: Andre Archie | The Virtue of Color-Blindness 07.11.2025

In this episode, Andre Archie, associate professor of ancient Greek philosophy at Colorado State University, discusses the ideas presented in his 2024 book The Virtue of Color-Blindness. A specialist in Plato, Aristotle, and ancient political philosophy, Archie’s work engages both classical methodology and contemporary debates. The conversation explores why he views colorblindness as an important...

S6E6: Michael Mazarr | America’s National Dynamism and Global Challenges 31.10.2025

In this episode, Michael Mazarr, senior political scientist at the RAND Corporation and adjunct professor at Georgetown University’s Center for Security Studies, examines the sources of American national dynamism. A former associate dean at the U.S. National War College and president of the Stimson Center, Mazarr has written extensively on information technology, foreign policy, and national compe...

S6E5: Mary Elise Sarotte | America, Russia, and the Post–Cold War Order 25.10.2025

In this episode, Mary Elise Sarotte, the Marie-Josée and Henry R. Kravis Distinguished Professor of Historical Studies and research associate at Harvard University’s Center for European Studies, discusses America’s role in shaping the post–Cold War world. Drawing on her book Not One Inch: America, Russia, and the Making of Post–Cold War Stalemate, she examines the legacy of NATO expansion, Western...

S6E4: Patrick Griffin | The Age of Atlantic Revolution 17.10.2025

In this episode, Patrick Griffin, professor of history at the University of Notre Dame, examines the unique place of America in the revolutionary Atlantic world. His research focuses on the intersection of colonial American and early modern Irish and British history, exploring themes of revolution, migration, and colonization. The conversation centers on his 2023 book The Age of Atlantic Revolutio...

S6E3: Aurelian Craiutu | Why Not Moderation? 10.10.2025

In this episode, Aurelian Craiutu, professor of political science at Indiana University, explores the role of moderation in contemporary politics. His research focuses on French political and social thought and comparative political theory, and he has written and edited more than a dozen books. His work has appeared in leading academic journals including American Political Science Review, Perspect...

S6E2: Brooke Barbier | Political Moderation in the American Revolution 03.10.2025

In this episode, Brooke Barbier, a public historian with a PhD from Boston College, shares her expertise on Boston’s political and social life during the Revolutionary period. She is the founder of Ye Olde Tavern Tours, which offers tours of Boston’s historic sites and taverns. The conversation focuses on her 2024 book King Hancock: The Radical Influence of a Moderate Founding Father and how polit...

S6E1: Gerard Baker | Media, Trust, and Political Polarization in America 26.09.2025

In this episode, Henry Thomson speaks with Gerard Baker, a prominent British columnist at the Wall Street Journal and host of its podcast i. Baker’s distinguished career has included work with the BBC, The Financial Times, and The Times, as well as five years as Editor-in-Chief of the Wall Street Journal. He is also the author of American Breakdown: Why We No Longer Trust Our Leaders and Instituti...

S5E8: Jennifer Frey | Reviving Liberal Learning in a Pursuit of Virtue, Happiness, and Meaning of Life 03.05.2024

In this episode, Henry Thompson and Dr. Jennifer Frey, Dean of the Honors College at the University of Tulsa, discuss the challenges and opportunities facing liberal education. She addresses the prevailing utilitarian mindset in universities, where education is often reduced to job training rather than a pursuit of truth, goodness, and beauty. Dr. Frey argues that this trend undermines the traditi...

S5E7: Lucas Morel | Reimagining Patriotism: MLK, Frederick Douglass, and the Beloved Community 05.04.2024

Featuring Lucas Morel, professor of politics at Washington and Lee University. Morel delves into the complex relationship between patriotism and the experiences of Black Americans, as exemplified by the legacies of Martin Luther King Jr. and Frederick Douglass. Despite facing profound injustices and obstacles, both leaders ultimately embraced America and its potential for progress. MLK's vision of...

S5E6: Hans Zeiger | Higher Education and Donor Impact 07.03.2024

In this episode, we speak with Hans Zeiger, the President of the Jack Miller Center, the nationwide network of scholars and teachers. We delve into the intricate interplay of ideas, economics, and donor influence within the realm of higher education; Zeiger provides a unique perspective on challenges facing universities, from the economic pressures exacerbated by the recession to the ideological s...

S5E5: Robert P. George | Navigating Free Speech Challenges in the Age of Ideological Conformism 02.02.2024

Robert P. George serves as the sixth McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence and director of the James Madison Program in American Ideals and Institutions at Princeton University. Henry and George discuss respecting free speech rights on campus (and beyond) for all perspectives, distinguishing genuine free speech from incitement to violence. George advocates for institutional neutrality in universiti...

S5E4: Zachary Shore | America’s Ethical Crossroads: Deciphering Vengeance and Virtue in History and Policy 04.01.2024

Professor of History at the Naval Postgraduate School and Senior Fellow at the Institute of European Studies, University of California, Berkeley Zach Shore examines the United States' critical ethical decisions during and after the World War II. Key issues include the internment of Japanese Americans, nuclear attacks on civilians, and punitive policies towards Germans under U.S. occupation. Despit...

S5E3: James R. Stoner | Unraveling the Tapestry of American Democracy 07.12.2023

In this episode Henry speaks with Dr. James R. Stoner, Professor and Director of the Eric Voegelin Institute in the Department of Political Science at Louisiana State University. Henry and Stoner dive into the intricate threads of constitutional history with a focus on the symbiotic relationship between British and American constitutional traditions. This episode unravels the historical, instituti...

S5E2: John Rose | Free Speech and Viewpoint Diversity in Higher Ed 02.11.2023

Henry Thompson interviews John Rose, the Associate Director of the Civil Discourse Project at The Kenan Institute for Ethics at Duke University. Henry and Rose discuss a course Rose teaches called How to Think in an Age of Political Polarization. Rose talks about intellectual virtues to model, why the most politically intolerant people are humorless and whether campus culture of the elite institut...

S5E1: Matthew Continetti | Restoring Constitutional Conservatism in America 05.10.2023

Welcome to Season 5 of Keeping it Civil. We’re thrilled to have you back and promise memorable, informative, thought-provoking conversations. In this episode our host Henry Thompson sits down with a Senior Fellow at American Enterprise Institute Matthew Continetti. Besides discussing his most recent book, The Right: The Hundred-Year War for American Conservatism, Continetti speaks about the Republ...

S4E12: R. Shep Melnick | Higher Education in Crisis 13.04.2023

Shep Melnick is the Thomas P. O’Neill, Jr. Professor of American Politics at Boston College and Co-chair of the Harvard Program on Constitutional Government. Henry and Shep Melnick speak about the current crisis in America's higher education, Melnick's research on Title IX, the regulation of gender equality in higher education and Melnick's latest book. 

S4E11: Jenna Storey | Modern Restlessness and Quest for Virtue 23.03.2023

Jenna Storey is a senior Fellow in the Social, Cultural and Constitutional Studies Department at the American Enterprise Institute. Henry and Jenna Storey speak about the crisis of modern liberal arts education, the restlessness of young college students and her plans for improving and reforming higher ed. 

S4E10: Franciska Coleman | Social Regulation Of Free Speech In America 09.03.2023

Franciska Coleman is an Assistant Professor at the University of Wisconsin Law School. In this episode we speak about assumptions encoded in words people choose to use and why many nations around the world signed a "covenant" that addresses hate speech yet the United States never did. Coleman also discusses, among other things, the social regulation of speech as an example of cancel culture or acc...

S4E9: Heather Mac Donald | Why Did Universities Abandon Their True Mission? 23.02.2023

Heather Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a New York Times bestselling author. In this episode Henry and Mac Donald discuss identity politics and why universities are not teaching students, among other things, how to think about ideas "in the abstract" in pursuit of evaluating neutral principles of free speech and government. They also talk about what Mac Dona...

S4E8: Winston Marshall | Former Mumford and Sons Banjo Player’s Career & Political Stance 10.02.2023

Winston Marshall has had a long and successful career as a musician, most notably as a founding member of the popular folk rock band Mumford and Sons. He later made headlines by leaving the band due to his controversial political views. As Marshall embarked on a solo career, we take a look at the events that led to his departure and explore the motivations behind his positions. 

S4E7: Bion Bartning | Pro-Human Approach to Addressing Racism 26.01.2023

Bion Bartning is an entrepreneur and investor. He is also the founder of FAIR, the Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism. Bartning talks to Henry about what prompted him to start the Foundation and FAIR’s alternative diversity training and other mechanisms put in place as a response to racism and other ideologies.  

S4E6: Batya Ungar-Sargon | Elitism in Journalism Poses Growing Danger to American Democracy 12.01.2023

Join us as Henry speaks with Batya Ungar-Sargon about her new book Bad News: How Woke Media is Undermining Democracy. Ungar-Sargon talks about how the media is silencing the middle class of America and why the interests of the lower income population are not represented in D.C. We discuss hopefulness that comes from the "goodness of the American people" and how democracy is in good shape because o...

S4E5: Jason Nichols | Hip-Hop & Political Activism 08.12.2022

In this episode Dr. Nichols, a hip-hop artist, public intellectual and academic, speaks with Henry about hip-hop as a form of public discussion and political activism, about the corrosive effect of social media on civil discourse and the legacy and influence of Bea Gaddy on Nichols' political views. 

S4E4: Jane Kamensky | Place of the American Revolution and American History in Public Discourse 10.11.2022

Jane Kamensky talks about American identity in colonial time and at the time of the Revolution and whether we're equipping ourselves and our students with an understanding of the revolutionary era. Henry also discusses with Kamensky the binary of competing narratives of U.S. history and why we need to challenge it

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