Just Lawful

Sean and Daniel do their best to keep this case on track as they attempt to reconcile how is it that a defecating budgie and Nigerian cult leader have become part of this trial process. In this episode the JL boys also get an answer to a defense request for a 6 month adjournment and $250,000 while they then scrutinise the questionable credibility of witness confessions. See omnystudio.com/listener...

As this case continues on the JL boys start to uncover bizarre, and at times chilling, background and behaviours that make up the character of the accused Dieter Pfenning. Sean and Daniel go in to try and untangle everything from the timelines of allowable evidence, how witness statements affect this case and the necessity of the removal of bias. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information...

From the tragic abduction from a bedroom to the tactical jousting of the courtroom the JL boys work their way through the back and forth of the prosecution and defense cases. Sean and Daniel then discuss an acquittal not equaling innocence, a fascinating recreation of the event itself and finally a testimony that defies both comprehension and compassion. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy inf...

As the trial begins the JL boys would be audibly effected as they recount their first witness testimony providing an insight into Louise and a seemingly innocent childhood. Sean and Daniel then take us through visiting the Bell home, walking the surrounding streets and experiencing the physical locations that would turn this folk lore tragedy into reality. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy i...

When you get to the trial process you expect it to be a fairly routine set of events, however the JL boys would find out when 6 weeks turns into 10 months it’s anything other than routine. Sean and Daniel now begin to realise that to understand what ‘one in a billion’ means there is so much more that needs to be examined and explored before that can be explained. See omnystudio.com/listener for pr...

Last episode we heard how a cold case and childhood folk-lore had set the psyche of the hometown of the JL boys and how their adult world be introduced to a real life Boogeyman. Now Sean and Daniel move into uncovering the identity of the Boogeyman with a history and pattern of behaviours that seems to show a probability of guilt no less than one in a billion. See omnystudio.com/listener for priva...

The JL boys have always said they only cover cases that span Sean’s career as a journalist, then how is it that a 32 year old cold case has become the focus of their next investigation? In the first episode of this series Sean and Daniel take us back to a time when a real life nightmare was their childhood folk-lore and how this would become part of their modern day. See omnystudio.com/listener fo...

While Adelaide may not officially be “their” town just yet, there is no question to the impact and effect the JL boys have created in their hometown with their first two seasons. Sean and Daniel are back for 2023 to discuss what they’ve been up to over the holiday period, keeping those in power on their toes and to update us on their plans for the future. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy in...

Wait, there isn't supposed to be any more episodes this season. What do you mean Sean and Daniel snuck back into the studio and recorded a very special end of year episode? Join the JL boys as they review the year that was, both on the show and in the community at large and give their opinions on exactly who has been naughty and nice in 2022. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

After the last couple of episodes where Sean and Daniel cover the updated details of the Hillier Triple murders they are rejoined by Steve Egberts to discuss his firsthand experiences. Steve sits down with the JL boys and shares his feelings, frustrations, confusion, and criticism of recent events as well as his concerns for a future that hasn't learned from its past.   See omnystudio.com/listener...

After the crest of the wave comes the fall. Sean and Daniel discuss how those closest to the Hillier tragedy would feel this fall as justification is excoriated in mere moments. The JL boys cover a coroner’s findings, a press conference, a response from the DCP and an independent enquiry resulting in nothing more than frustration, confusion and dismay. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy infor...

When Sean and Daniel first took us to Hillier they discussed one of their most disturbing cases. Now they return to update us on what’s happened in the aftermath of this tragedy. From a coronial enquiry and an independent review, the JL boys discover what did and did not occur as well as where does responsibility ultimately lie for the mistakes that were made. See omnystudio.com/listener for priva...

Once the trial process concludes, reporting the facts about the facets of a case should be common place. As Sean and Daniel would find however, this one was not exactly common.  With a number of wrinkles still to be ironed out, the JL boys navigate insinuations, incidents and injunctions as they discuss how others attempted to stop rest of this story being told. See omnystudio.com/listener for pri...

After the back and forth of the prosecution, Sean and Daniel sift through the fallout as the case for the defense begins with yet another example of this continuing power struggle.  While not obligated, Norman Hoy takes the stand to defend his actions, however the JL boys discover it’s what is not heard in court that leads to yet another unexpected twist. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy in...

While a picture may tell a thousand words, Sean and Daniel consider how much of a picture can be painted from the words of the real-time recording of the incident at hand. In this episode as the prosecution case is presented the JL boys quickly realise that neither side is willing to recognise the others’ story as proven, plausible or even palatable. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy informa...

As this next series begins it becomes apparent that Sean and Daniel aren’t quite sure about this case. While the facts are all there it’s more a question of how did it get to this point at all? This episode sees the beginning of what would become a power struggle that has the JL boys calling out their own biases while attempting to remain objective as the accusations fly. See omnystudio.com/listen...

From American football and cartoons to our courtrooms and changing penalties, Sean and Daniel certainly run the gamut as they tackle the topics you wanted to know about. This episode sees the JL boys intrigued, amused, challenged and impressed by the questions you posed and share their thoughts on everything that captured your curiosity. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Often Sean and Daniel find themselves trying to make sense of our legal landscape and pondering if the laws of our past are still adequate to deal with the crimes of today.   In this episode the JL boys highlight examples of existing laws being applied with consideration and foresight to ensure they indeed meet the requirements of the modern day. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information...

When an accused opts for a jury trial they accept the verdict delivered will determine their fate. Sean and Daniel, however, look at when the right process somehow gets it wrong. The JL boys explore the power of the judicial system as even when an apparent mistake is challenged by a higher authority it is ultimately adjudicated as being correctly incorrect. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy...

Pirjo Kemppainen never deserved the last horrific moments of her life. Sean and Daniel contemplate if she has received the justice she deserved from the trials of A and B. The JL boys are then left grappling with ongoing community impacts including guaranteed anonymity for both accused and even the looming possibility of freedom for B. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

While courtroom conjecture is nothing new, the  Pirjo Kemppainen trial would have Sean and Daniel discussing the process and procedure as much as the evidence and judicial equity. The JL boys provide a firsthand account from inside the courtroom as the back and forth of this debate may ultimately decide the fate of the second teenager accused of this crime. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy...

With a case that proves to be beyond almost anything covered so far, this one comes with a content warning as Sean and Daniel attempt to understand the how and why of the Pirjo Kemppainen murder. Listen in as the JL boys take you inside the courtroom where prosecution advises that the entirety of their case relies on the evidence of a disturbing, convicted teenage murderer. See omnystudio.com/list...

Sean and Daniel previously outlined the tragic backdrop of this case and as troubling as that was to comprehend the complexity of seeking justice for this crime had only just begun. With one guilty plea already gained it is now a baffling back and forth of sentence lengths, charges and court proceedings that have the JL boys with more questions than answers. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy...

Throughout this series Sean and Daniel have contemplated how our legal system handles those considered a “minor” that have committed the most “major” of crimes. Tonight the JL boys start to unpack an example of the most major of crimes, committed by a minor described by Sean as the most disturbing offender he’d ever encountered.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

While you apparently can’t judge a book by its cover Sean and Daniel discover that for some a well crafted fairytale may just provide a change in the way that sentences are formed. Between bargains and deals and laws due to age the JL boys try to follow how an initially described definite massacre plot would seem to become no more than adolescent musings See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy inf...