Just Lawful

As the JL boys continue their conversation with Steve and Jordan from JACET, conversation moves into discussing some of the faces of Mt. Disgustmore and their involvement with them. While Sean and Daniel are both fascinated and inspired by the difficult work done by all of the enforcement agencies involved they find there’s always a space for levity and a laugh. See omnystudio.com/listener for pri...

In this episode the JL boys bring us the first part of the first ever audio interview with the members of JACET as part of their promotion of the start of National Child Protection Week. Sean and Daniel begin to learn about what it takes to do this work and they have their understanding on the focus of the role shifted from arresting offenders to rescuing victims. See omnystudio.com/listener for p...

In this episode the JL boys wrestle with the concept of how is that the best truly equals the worst while reminding us that for every number discussed is also a victim who has been hurt. Sean and Daniel reveal the 4th and final face to take its rightful place upon Mt Disgustmore and while each previous face set and broke records this one sets to surpass them all. See omnystudio.com/listener for pr...

As the JL boys begin to carve out the 2nd and 3rd faces of Mt Disgustmore we see how the extent of these crimes challenge how both law enforcement and the legal system responds. While the depravity of this criminal behaviour creates unease for our community Sean and Daniel also provide a raw insight into the effects these cases have on them personally.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy info...

In this new series Sean and Daniel make good on an idea they promised us since the end of last year. That’s where the good ends however as they highlight the worst of the worst. The JL boys begin carving out the first face of foul depravity that has broken records and proven for all the good our city has to offer we are living in the shadow of Mt. Disgustmore. See omnystudio.com/listener for priva...

As Sean and Daniel begin the conclusion of one of their most in-depth series it leads off with some of the most direct and decisive Judge’s comments they have encountered. The heat doesn’t cool down as the JL boys unpack all of the fallout and determine that John Fleming ultimately placed himself in a position of “checkmate” all of his own making. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy informatio...

It’s no joke as Sean and Daniel tell us the one about “three priests walk into a courtroom”. It gets no funnier however as defense witnesses have their stories queried and questioned. The JL boys then take time out to check in on what they’ve felt, interpreted and considered about all they’ve heard and what they believe to be true based on the balance of probability. See omnystudio.com/listener fo...

As the defense witnesses take the stand the JL boys quickly begin to comprehend the overall complexity of the contradictions, context and  considerations from the tales being tendered. Sean and Daniel discuss the gaps and the inconsistencies of the stories being presented and unpack the importance of the specifics around terminology, perspective and morality. See omnystudio.com/listener for privac...

It’s cross examination time and the JL boys take us into the courtroom to witness as the back and forth, thrust and parry of contentions and contradictions come fast and frequent.  Sean and Daniel discuss the next phase of this case while struggling with the concept of the trying to meet in the middle when it’s clearly evident there is no middle ground to be found. See omnystudio.com/listener for...

In this episode the JL boys find themselves examining and evaluating the opening salvo of evidence from John Fleming when he takes the stand as the defamation case now begins. As Sean and Daniel begin that process they  also discuss Nigel’s last couple of articles and ponder the idea of not being held accountable for your actions in a previous employment. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy in...

In this episode the JL boys encounter the fallout of when the "Embattled Strikes Back" and the continuing impacts of John Fleming’s defamation case against the Sunday Mail. Sean and Daniel realise however there is even more to comprehend, from the balance of probabilities, complainants providing more information and even courtroom calisthenics.    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy informatio...

In this episode we see progress made as perspectives are considered and the JL boys discuss the consequences and responses of from previously published news articles.   From college to Catholicism, assertions to investigations, a vexing disposition to a Vatican excursion, Sean and Daniel do their best as their bias is continually put to the test. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information...

The JL boys start to unpack the details of “Richard’s” assertions, the response from the clergy as well as a received response from John Fleming, well kind of, eventually, sort of. Sean and Daniel then also discuss their red string theories, newsroom divides and ongoing investigations leaving The Advertiser to play catch up to the reporting of The Sunday Mail. See omnystudio.com/listener for priva...

While the JL boys continue to expand our vocabulary with terms such as complainants, assertions and the Consensus Gentium, this is merely the beginning of what we would learn. Sean and Daniel discover that the simplicity of telling your story becomes extremely complex when forced to navigate the unknown and jump through the hoops of hidden protocols. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy informa...

With biases and opinions clearly established the JL boys now begin dissecting all of the elements of their next series. And oh boy are there many pieces to constructing this puzzle. It’s information time again as Sean and Daniel introduce us to new vocabulary, another form of journalism, more suppression orders and this all merely the tip of the iceberg to come. See omnystudio.com/listener for pri...

Celebration time is over as Sean and Daniel jump straight into their next series and there is no backward step as they tackle one of those taboo topics you just don’t discuss, religion.    In this unique and intriguing episode we hear the background, beliefs and biases of the JL boys and how they were shaped by their own religious experience, exposure and education. See omnystudio.com/listener for...

It’s a special event celebration as Sean and Daniel take a moment to recognise the achievement of reaching their 100th episode before providing some updates and reviews. The JL boys cover some highlights, lowlights, insights make some wrongs right as they update us on some of the happenings in some of the biggest cases they’ve covered so far. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Sean and Daniel offer their own perceptions and opinions of our current social climate and how the media and law intersects with fame, bananas, barbells and the public at large. As this investigation into the she said/she said world of how social media has become the tools of the trade the JL boys do their best to separate this from the tools within this trade. See omnystudio.com/listener for priv...

Sean and Daniel delve into the world of social media, online influencing and what happens when civil litigation is launched between two lifestyle advocates with very different opinions. From bananas to barbells, fitness empires to fruit fanatics all the way through to diets and defamation the JL boys investigate all the elements of this modern day muckraking. See omnystudio.com/listener for privac...

As far as conclusions go the most the JL boys can say in this case is that they have reached one. It would not, however, come before more final twists, turns and shocking revelations.  Sean and Daniel recap this series in its entirety and struggle to comprehend if this outcome was just, lawful and ultimately if up to them, could they convict on the evidence tendered. See omnystudio.com/listener fo...

As Sean and Daniel thought they were nearing the end of this case many more words would need to be spoken and fall in line before understanding how to construct this sentence. The JL boys encounter a challenge answered, a plea for future leniency while courtroom mathematics equals 60 years and DNA makes a return before a surprise suspect is introduced. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy infor...

As this case continues Sean and Daniel begin the episode with the concept of finally reaching a conclusion and breaking down the complex process of returning a verdict. The JL boys quickly learn how much there is to consider in getting to this verdict. And even after receiving this judgement there are still more twists and turns before we would have a conclusion. See omnystudio.com/listener for pr...

After determining if this would become a Section 269 case it seems Sean and Daniel are once again left unpicking the delicate strands of DNA and it’s importance to this trial. The JL boys then set about unpacking the closing statements of both counsels, however before receiving a verdict the judge would issue one more challenge to the accused. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode the JL boys pause to consider all they have covered in this case so far and it’s effect on their thoughts around guilt, innocence, process and reasonable doubt. Sean and Daniel also attempt to clarify concerns around the use of DNA only to be presented with a change in legal team before being confronted with a potential Section 269 case. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy info...

Sean and Daniel have felt elements of doubt creep into this case however one part that made sense and remained intact was the DNA evidence. Now even that could be in doubt. In this episode the JL boys reveal information that has only just come to light since this series began which both offers context and poses more potential doubt over this case.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy informat...