Integrative Lawyers of the World

In this episode, we talk to Patrick about: The moment traveling in China that shifted his mindset and legal path; the moment that gave rise to the “barefoot lawyer” The harm caused by the Growth Mindset:  the pursuit of unlimited growth and its negative impact on everything Alternatives to the Growth Mindset The importance of taking time to stop and askng “is this what I really want?”  -at individ...

Professor Camilla Andersen is a lawyer and academic. She’s been an academic for over thirty years on 4 different continents. She has a lot of experience in international commercial law, but she has devoted the last decade of her life to change and innovation, and to relational contract theory. She is changing the face of contract law and humanizing law. In this conversation we discussed: Humanizin...

In this episode, we talk to Ms. Chetty about her journey as a 𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐥 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐠𝐞𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐫 and her pursuit of 𝐬𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐞.   In our conversation, we discuss: • Social Justice – what it means, how to get it, and the difference between equality on paper or on the books and equality in application and life. • The difference between equity and inclusion • Using the law as an agent of change and how she brings...

In this episode, we talk to Mr. Deoli about his legal journey, his Law and Happiness Office, and the role of lawyers in society.  He believes that legal profession is a thread that connects and holds all of society together.  In our conversation, we discuss: His legal journey including a moment as a law student when he felt that there was something frustrating with the legal system How he overcame...

In this episode, we talk to Dr. Rose about public procurement and empowering positive change. More specifically, Margaret covers:   Why understanding and regulating public procurement is so important and why everyone, especially lawyers, need to be more aware of the public procurement practices and policies at their local level and at the global level What Covid-19 and PPE procurement taught us ab...

In this episode, we talk to Ms. van der Meer about legal design thinking and why it’s important for lawyers to develop their empathy and creativity. More specifically, Susanne covers: Visual language for lawyers 6 steps of legal design thinking 4 things lawyers can do to implement legal design thinking in their practice How to develop your empathy and how to use empathy in your legal practice How...

In this conversation, we discuss: Her personal and legal journey and how being part of an international program for high school students in Atlanta, Georgia, USA and how her father’s political imprisonment and torture changed her career path from art to law --- and what led her to think “I need to understand this language of law", The creative side and art of law and how sensitive people were not...

In this conversation, we discuss: working with load shedding practices in South Africa and how this affects everyday life how gender discrimination pushed her into opening her own firm because, as one person told her at the time, no one would hire a female litigator and questioned “what would happen if the kids got sick”  her path from litigation to mediation to collaborative law Being an observer...

In this conversation, we discuss: How she discovered collaborative law early in her legal career, Why collaborative law is aligned with her values and vision for lawyers’ role in society, Conscious Contracts® and how she uses Conscious Contracts® in premarital and marriage contracts, How Collaborative Law and Conscious Contracts® complement each other and fit within the Integrative Law Movement, a...

In this episode, we talk to Mr. Chettiar about his legal journey and life philosophy. He shares What it was like leaving one of the most prestigious law firms in Singapore to follow his inner calling, How volunteering with Mother Theresa’s Missionaries of Charity was a pivotal and profound experience in his life, The feeling he had when he first heard about Collaborative Law, The joy he felt after...

In this conversation, we discuss: Jamie-Lee’s multi-cultural (Māori & European) ancestry and how this influences how she sees the world The Māori people and culture  Her legal journey from corporate law to community law, family law, collaborative law, and integrative law Her experience as an In-house lawyer with the Waitangi tribunal, which was set-up for Māori to assert claims that the crown is i...

In this episode, we discuss with Mr. Ousky:  The collaborative process & the paradigm shift that collaborative lawyers make  Helping parties of divorce look toward a brighter future Being an advocate and counselor versus an adversarial gladiator  Trial lawyering skills that are good for and not so good for a collaborative lawyer   The interconnection between collaborative law and the integrative l...

Silvina is an Argentinian Lawyer, based in Buenos Aires. She is the mom of two boys. She has been working as a corporate counsel for the last 10 years in the health industry and she is a Co-founder of La Organización Latinoamericana de Derecho Colaborativo which joins lawyers all around Latin America to spread the word about the benefits of collaborative practice. She is also passionate about huma...

Myrna McCallum is a true changemaker and a leading champion of trauma-informed lawyering. She is the host of “The Trauma-Informed Lawyer" Podcast and she acts as a subject matter expert and consultant on trauma-informed policy. Myrna also offers training courses on trauma-informed engagement for leaders, policy makers, police officers, lawyers and judges. She has also become a highly sought after...

Our guest this episode is Raphael Chsubo Masesa.  He is a lecturer at the IIE Varsity College in Cape Town, South Africa and a Board Member for Ubuntuworks Project. He teaches Indigenous law and Integrative law among other law courses. He teaches indigenous law through oral tradition, storytelling, traditional music, poetry and praise on social matters. He has taught more than 15 years at the Univ...

Our guest in this episode is Anirudh Rastogi of India so interesting.  Anirudh is the founder and managing partner of Ikigai Law which serves technology and innovation. He and Ikigai Law help innovators navigate the uncertain legal waters where technology sails faster than laws and regulations.  He also has an innovative approach to contracts, which he discussed in his TEDx Talk, Reimagining Contr...

Marguerite Picard is a facilitator and peacemaker, accredited specialist family lawyer, mediator, arbitrator, collaborative practitioner, and trainer.  She has three innovative businesses: MELCA (Melbourne Collaborative Alliance), Smart Separation, and Support for Lawyers. Her primary interest is in system change away from adversarial thinking to collaborative and interdisciplinary approaches. In...

Femke Wijdekop joins us from The Netherlands. At one point, she felt like the practice of law was not right for her. So, she quit it and worked in a bookstore. But now she is a legal counsel and content manager for Stop Ecocide NL and a member of the Environmental Restorative Justice Working Group.  She is fueled by love – for humanity, for nature, for earth.  In our conversation, Femke said somet...

Jens Magers is corporate lawyer in Germany who specializes in sustainable finance and investment and sustainable corporate governance. He works with the firm Rittershaus and founded its Sustainable and Investment Team. He is also a lecturer on sustainability and corporate governance at one of the leading business schools in Germany. He regularly publishes articles on corporate and sustainability m...

Syed Akbar Hussain is from Pakistan. He is founder of The ADR Initiative and established an accredited mediation training program for law students in Pakistan. He is an ACC mediator, arbitrator, and negotiator in the US, China, and Singapore as well as a World Bank Local Expert and Advocate in the High Courts in Pakistan. 𝗛𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝗮𝗻 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗴𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗹𝗮𝘄𝘆𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗲𝘃𝗲𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 – 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗴𝗵 𝗼𝘁...

Peter S. Lustig is from Australia. He is a collaborative practitioner, mediator, lawyer, and coach. These are some of the labels that identify what Peter does, who he is goes much deeper. His experiences include years of personal growth work, working with men’s groups and multi-gender circles, facilitating meetings, organizing play for social activism, and holding space. Each experience is an expr...

In this conversation, we discuss: TJ (Therapeutic Jurisprudence): how it began; the ideas behind it, and his goals for it, The role of judges and lawyers as therapeutic agents, How the law has a positive or negative therapeutic consequence on the well-being of those involved, How our roles as lawyers, mediators, and judges have a positive or negative therapeutic consequence, and we can choose whic...

In this conversation, we discussed: His journey from litigator, hard-edge lawyer to an integrative and collaborative approach A resistance from peers, clients, and public opinion to new approaches to law because people want (or think they want) the hard-edge, cut-throat, beat-up-the-other-side type lawyer. Even though changing his practice to be more aligned with himself has been a positive experi...

Isaac in his own words: "I am a 35 years old lawyer from the university of London courtesy of Justice Defenders. Young and naive, I was arrested at the age of 25 years and sentenced to serve a 14 years. My dream of becoming a lawyer vanished. I lost hope and I never thought I would ever become anything again.   Taking law classes prior to my arrest, my journey to become a lawyer was given back to...

Professor Rhonda V. Magee Email: rvmagee@usfca.edu Website: www.rhondavmagee.com Short Bio: Rhonda Magee is a lawyer, legal scholar, law professor, author, practitioner of mindfulness, and one of the founding members of the Integrative Law Movement.  She teaches mindfulness to her law students and others.  In her book, The Inner Work of Racial Justice, Healing Ourselves and Transforming Our Commun...