Information Technology and Innovation Foundation (ITIF) — The Leading Think Tank for Science and Tech Policy
Innovation Files: Where Tech Meets Public Policy
Explore the intersection of technology, innovation, and public policy with the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation (ITIF), the world’s leading think tank for science and tech policy. Innovation Files serves up expert interviews, insights, and commentary on topics ranging from the broad economics of innovation to specific policy and regulatory questions about new technologies. Expect to hear some unconventional wisdom.
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Jan 20, 2026
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Creative Discussion: A New Antitrust Podcast From ITIF 20.01.2026 38:27
Join Joseph Coniglio, Director of Antitrust and Innovation at The Schumpeter Project, ITIF, as he inaugurates Creative Discussion: An Antitrust Podcast. In this first episode, Coniglio engages in an in-depth discussion with Herb Hovenkamp, James G. Dinan Professor at the University of Pennsylvania Law School. Dubbed the 'Dean of Antitrust' by the New York Times, Hovenkamp shares his care...
The Case for Smarter AI Regulation, With Matt Perault 07.07.2025 25:11
Regulating how AI is used—not how it's built—is the only way to protect innovation and give small startups a fair shot. Rob and Jackie sit down with Matt Perault, Head of Artificial Intelligence Policy at Andreessen Horowitz, to discuss the significant burden regulatory frameworks can place on smaller tech companies and the critical role of government in AI regulation. Mentioned Ezra Klein a...
mRNA and the Future of Personalized Medicine, With Andrew Geall and Deborah Barbara 23.06.2025 27:31
Continued innovation and investment is vital to maintaining the U.S.'s leadership in the biopharma sector. Rob and Jackie sit down with Andrew Geall, Chief Development Officer at Replicate Bioscience, and Deborah Barbara, strategic advisor to Primrose Bio, to discuss the development and potential of mRNA as the fourth pillar of pharmaceutical innovation. Mentioned Sandra Barbosu, “ Harnessing...
Decoding the Techno-Economic Power Struggle, With Alex Capri 12.05.2025 21:17
There is a clear linkage between technology and national security, economic strength and social stability. Rob and Jackie sit down with Alex Capri, author of Techno-Nationalism: How It's Reshaping Trade, Geopolitics and Society to discuss how nations leverage technological innovation for national security and stability and how that applies to evolving United States-China competition. Mentione...
New Podcast: The Trade War With Stan McCoy 24.02.2025 47:11
In the inaugural episode of the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation's Trade War Podcast, host Stan McCoy discusses recent developments and challenges in global trade policy with Ambassador Susan C. Schwab and Rob Atkinson. The conversation covers the latest U.S. tariffs on steel and aluminum, the implications of President Trump's protectionist stance, and the strategic impor...
The United States Needs a Robust Industrial Policy, With Marc Fasteau and Ian Fletcher 16.12.2024 28:17
What is the correct economic strategy for a nation? Rob and Jackie sat down with Marc Fasteau and Ian Fletcher, authors of Industrial Policy for the United States , to discuss how industrial policy, done right, will develop the kind of economy the United States wants. Mentioned Marc Fasteau and Ian Fletcher, Industrial Policy for the United States , (Cambridge University Press, November 2024). Ian...
Leveraging Data to Improve Communities, With Rochelle Haynes 07.10.2024 29:38
Data-informed and evidence-based decision making can drive optimum outcomes in local governments. Rob and Jackie sat down with Rochelle Haynes, managing director of What Works Cities, to discuss how technology and innovation are being used in cities to equitably deliver services and solve problems. Related Rochelle Haynes, “ How Cities Can Harness the Power of AI in 2024 ,” (What Works Cities, 202...
Europe Needs to Focus on Solving Its 30-Year Innovation Problem, With David Evans 09.09.2024 26:05
Europe has been enormously unsuccessful in creating substantial digital businesses for over three decades. Rob and Jackie sat down with David Evans, chairman of Market Platform Dynamics, to discuss why it’s imperative that Europe ends this ‘digital winter’. Mentioned David S. Evans, “ Why Europe Must End Its 30-Year Digital Winter to Ensure Its Long-Run Future ,” (SSRN, April 2024). Robert D. Atki...
General-Purpose Technologies and the Rise of Great Nations, With Jeffrey Ding 05.08.2024 27:23
It’s easy to get excited about new breakthroughs, but the real power lies in diffusing technological advances throughout the entire economy. Rob and Jackie sat down with Jeffrey Ding, Assistant Professor of Political Science at George Washington University, to discuss how technological revolutions influence competition and the implications for the United States and China. Mentioned Jeffrey Ding. T...
Information Technology Is Increasingly Critical and Increasingly Demonized, With Daniel Castro 01.07.2024 21:06
Over the last several years, public opinion on technology and the use of data has shifted from excitement to skepticism to fear. Rob and Jackie sat down with Daniel Castro, Vice President of ITIF and Director of the Center for Data Innovation, to discuss the negative effect of techlash on human outcomes. Related Robert D. Atkinson and David Moschella. Technology Fears and Scapegoats: 40 Myths abou...
Remaining Realistic and Optimistic About the Promise of the Future, With Jim Pethokoukis 10.06.2024 23:54
The future will be much improved if society fights the fear of technology. Rob and Jackie sat down with Jim Pethokoukis, Senior Fellow and DeWitt Wallace Chair at the American Enterprise Institute, to discuss how the sci-fi fantasy of the future isn’t as far off as we think. Mentioned James Pethokoukis. The Conservative Futurist: How to Create the Sci-Fi World We Were Promised , (Center Street, 2...
Embracing Innovation is the Ultimate Key to Tackling Climate Change, With Robin Gaster 13.05.2024 18:47
Climate change is a global problem, with two polarized viewpoints making it difficult to find a solution. Rob and Jackie sat down with Robin Gaster, Director of Research at ITIF's Center for Clean Energy Innovation, to discuss how price/performance parity in green technologies can bridge the gap between left and right viewpoints on clean energy. Mentioned Robin Gaster, Robert D. Atkinson, an...
Navigating Deepfakes While Promoting Innovation, With Ryan Long 22.04.2024 25:18
The past few years have seen a remarkable rise in the quality and quantity of deepfakes. Rob and Jackie discussed the rise of deepfakes with Ryan Long, Vice-Chairman of the California Lawyers Association, Licensing and Technology Transactions Group, Intellectual Property Section, and explored how to harness this technology responsibly while preventing abuse. Mentioned Henry A Kissinger, Eric Schmi...
Supply Chain Origins and Innovations, With Yossi Sheffi 01.04.2024 24:38
The term ‘supply chain’ is relatively new, but the activities involved are not as new as we think. Rob and Jackie sat down with Yossi Sheffi, Director of the MIT Center for Transportation and Logistics, to discuss the complex history of supply chains and how technology and AI will continue to evolve supply chain processes in the future. Mentioned Yossi Sheffi. The Magic Conveyor Belt: Supply Chain...
The Interplay of Hype and Skepticism in Autonomous Vehicle Advancements, With Richard Mudge 11.03.2024 20:49
Amidst the burgeoning advancements in autonomous vehicles (AVs), striking a balance between expectation and reality emerges as a challenge. Rob and Jackie sat down with Richard Mudge, president and founder of Compass Transportation and Technology, to discuss how innovations in the world of AVs can affect safety, productivity, and job creation. Mentioned Michigan.gov. “ I-94 Connected & Automat...
Quantum Computing’s Potential to Drive Business Results, With Murray Thom 20.02.2024 30:21
While quantum computing technology is maturing more slowly than other innovations, its potential is vast. Rob and Jackie sat down with Murray Thom, vice president of product management at D-Wave, to discuss quantum computing applications already being put into place, and possible advancements in the future. Mentioned Hodan Omaar. “ The U.S. Approach to Quantum Policy ,” (Center for Data Innovatio...
Using Artificial Intelligence to Augment Workflow, With Nitin Mittal 29.01.2024 30:21
Used to its full potential, artificial intelligence (AI) can assist employees, improve interactions with customers, and increase efficiency. Rob and Jackie sat down with Nitin Mittal, a principal with Deloitte Consulting, to discuss how AI is being used to enhance work environments. Mentioned Thomas H. Davenport and Nitin Mittal. All-in On AI: How Smart Companies Win Big with Artificial Intelli...
We Need to Remain Proactive About Supporting Digital Free Trade, With Nigel Cory 08.01.2024 30:21
Forced local data storage requirements are at the heart of both digital protectionism and digital authoritarianism. Rob and Jackie sat down with Nigel Cory, associate director covering trade policy at ITIF, to discuss how data localization reduces trade, slows productivity, and increases prices. Related Nigel Cory, “ How the G7 Can Use ‘Data Free Flow With Trust’ to Build Global Data Governance ,”...
Cultivating Innovation Ecosystems, With Jessica Corrigan 04.12.2023 30:21
To flourish, innovation hubs need the right combination of talent, tech, funding, and market access. Rob and Jackie sat down with Jessica Corrigan, the director of M&T's Tech Academy, to discuss how smaller regions can become powerful innovation ecosystems. Mentioned Robert D. Atkinson, “ Comments to the Commerce Department Regarding Implementation of the Regional Technology and Innovatio...
The Importance of Reducing Anticompetitive Market Distortions, With Alden Abbott and Shanker Singham 13.11.2023 30:21
There is a troubling chasm between trade policy and competition policy. Rob and Jackie sat down with Alden Abbott, senior research fellow at the Mercatus Center, and Shanker Singham, one of the world's leading international trade and competition economists, to discuss how to bridge the gap between barriers at the border and conditions of competition inside the border. Mentioned Shanker Singha...
How China Continues to Shirk Its Trade Obligations, With Dennis Shea 23.10.2023 30:21
China has had a dismissive attitude about its obligations as a member of World Trade Organization (WTO) ever since it joined the organization. Rob and Jackie sat down with Dennis Shea, executive director of the J. Ronald Terwilliger Center for Housing Policy, to discuss how China’s current non-market economic system is simply incompatible with WTO norms. Mentioned Dennis Shea. China’s Trade-Disru...
Getting Export Controls Right, With Kevin Wolf 02.10.2023 29:58
Export controls exist at the perilous intersection of economic policy and national security. What could go wrong? Rob and Jackie sat down with Kevin Wolf, a partner at Akin Gump, to discuss how to strike the right balance between keeping certain advanced technologies away from adversarial militaries without locking U.S. firms out of global markets. Related Robert D. Atkinson, “ Export Controls Sh...
‘Regulation by Outrage’ Is a Detriment to Emerging Technologies, With Patrick Grady 11.09.2023 20:52
Policy regarding new technologies can be reactionary, confused, and focused on the wrong things. Rob and Jackie sat down with Patrick Grady, former policy analyst at ITIF’s Center for Data Innovation, to discuss what the European Union’s policymaking process can teach us about regulating emerging tech. Mentioned: Proposal for a Regulation of the European Parliament and of the Council Laying Down H...
Counterfeiting is a Crime Against Innovation, With Kebharu Smith 07.08.2023 20:55
Counterfeiting—one of the oldest, simplest crimes—has only continued to evolve as technology has grown more complex. Rob and Jackie sat down with Kebharu Smith, director of Amazon's Counterfeit Crimes Unit and Associate General Counsel, to talk about how counterfeiting negatively impacts business, taxes, intellectual property, and innovation itself. Mentioned Becca Trate and Daniel Castro....
The Complicated Evolution of Information, With Jim Cortada 17.07.2023 27:40
Over the past 150 years, humanity has generated an unprecedented amount and variety of information, surpassing the cumulative knowledge of previous eras. Rob and Jackie sat down with Jim Cortada, a senior research fellow at the Charles Babbage Institute at the University of Minnesota Twin Cities to talk about how information shapes society. Mentioned Jim Cortada, Birth of Modern Facts: How the In...
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