Center for the National Interest
In the National Interest
" In the National Interest " is a podcast that explores the intersection of foreign and defense policy, national security, and U.S. politics. It is not about world affairs, but about American interests and the realist approach needed to promote them. What actually constitutes true realism is, of course, a source of controversy. And so, the series promotes fresh debate by featuring a variety of leading experts from government, industry, journalism, and academia, many of whom may at times disagree with each other. Each episode is hosted by Jacob Heilbrunn, editor of The National Interest magazin...
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Jan 9, 2026
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Are Trump's Venezuela Strikes in the National Interest? (w/ Greg Priddy) 09.01.2026 11:00
In the early hours of January 3, the Trump administration conducted audacious strikes on Caracas that culminated in the capture of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro. At the heart of the operation's rationale is the controversial belief that Venezuela's vast oil reserves can be unlocked for U.S. oil companies under American control. Experts have cast serious doubt on whether this strategy makes e...
A House of Dynamite (w/ Gen. Glen VanHerck) 21.11.2025 14:39
The new film A House of Dynamite offers a terrifying portrayal of how quickly a nuclear war might erupt and how the United States might respond. Looking beyond this Hollywood depiction, how real has the threat of nuclear war actually become, from adversaries’ expanding arsenals to warning-system vulnerabilities? What would a modern nuclear exchange actually look like? Are America’s defenses adequa...
Democracy vs. the Kremlin (w/ Shelby Magid) 10.10.2025 17:29
Moldova’s recent elections dealt another blow to Moscow’s influence, but can its fragile democracy withstand the Kremlin’s next moves? Across Eastern Europe, Ukraine fights for survival, Georgia teeters between Brussels and Moscow, and Russian interference looms over them all. What tools does Vladimir Putin still have to destabilize the region—and how can Europe and the United States help defend i...
Moldova's Frozen Conflict (w/ Daniel Runde) 30.09.2025 23:11
Sunday’s parliamentary elections in Moldova delivered a clear victory for the pro-European Party of Action and Solidarity (PAS), led by sitting President Maia Sandu. Can economic incentives and Western investment now help transform Moldova's breakaway region of Transnistria from a Russia-leaning outpost into a partner in reconstruction and EU integration? Do the election results signal that the en...
Effectively Banning the Muslim Brotherhood (w/ Robert Silverman) 19.08.2025 15:57
Calls to ban the Muslim Brotherhood have resurfaced in recent years, especially amid its links to Hamas and violent offshoots across the Middle East. Is it a political movement, a terrorist network, or both? How should the U.S. balance democratic principles with the need to confront groups that shift between ballots and bombs? And what tools exist to cut off its funding and influence? In this epis...
The Sorcerer's Apprentice? American Politics from Buckley to Trump (w/ Sam Tanenhaus) 26.06.2025 1:12:06
What does the life of William F. Buckley, Jr. reveal about the deeper currents shaping American politics? In this episode, Jacob Heilbrunn speaks with Sam Tanenhaus, a former editor of The New York Times Book Review and the author of the new biography “ Buckley: The Life and the Revolution That Changed America ” (Random House, 2025). Together, they examine how outsider campaigns, cultural backlash...
Diplomacy in the Crosshairs (w/ Paul Saunders) 24.04.2025 26:07
Secretary of State Marco Rubio has released the Trump administration's plans for reorganizing the State Department—a first step toward reducing what the White House calls a bloated and inefficient bureaucracy. The proposed reforms could reshape U.S. engagement with the world, ending America’s human rights advocacy, shuttering key diplomatic offices, and threatening the very infrastructure that sup...
Trump's Tariffs and Energy Market Turmoil (w/ Tatiana Mitrova) 07.04.2025 16:57
President Donald Trump’s announcement of sweeping new global tariffs last week sent shockwaves through international markets, igniting fears of economic slowdown and triggering retaliatory measures from major trading partners like China. The consequences are already reverberating through the global energy system: oil and gas prices are sliding, producers are under pressure, and the clean energy tr...
Rethinking American Grand Strategy (w/ Ionut Popescu) 02.04.2025 17:04
What should America's grand strategy look like in a world shaped by resurgent great powers, regional conflict, and rising multipolarity? As China pushes to dominate the Asia-Pacific and Russia asserts itself in its near abroad, the stakes for global order—and for U.S. leadership—have never been higher. Meanwhile, the Trump administration faces the challenge of distinguishing first-order priorities...
America First, Unbound? (w/ Curt Mills) 18.03.2025 24:11
The second Trump administration is moving at breakneck speed to reshape American foreign policy, with Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin holding an extended phone call on Tuesday over a provisional 30-day ceasefire in Ukraine. Meanwhile, Trump continues to escalate threats of sweeping tariffs on foreign goods, rattling global markets and further cementing his “America First” economic doctrine. These...
Donald Trump’s Foreign Policy Shake-Up (w/ Antonia Ferrier) 07.03.2025 15:24
President Donald Trump has thrown another curveball into global politics, seemingly reversing course on Ukraine negotiations and threatening new sanctions on Russia in a Truth Social post—just as he hints at potential diplomatic talks with Tehran. Such abrupt shifts in recent weeks have left Washington and America's allies scrambling, raising urgent questions about the future of U.S. commitments i...
The Fall of Syria's Assad Regime (w/ Greg Priddy) 08.12.2024 20:21
On Sunday, Syrian rebel forces captured the capital Damascus and forced President Bashar al-Assad to flee the country to Moscow, ending more than 50 years of Assad family rule. What do these rapid and momentous developments mean for the future of Syria? And what are the ramifications for Iran, Israel, and Russia in the Middle East? In this episode, Jacob Heilbrunn speaks with Greg Priddy, a Senior...
Trump's Second-Term Blueprint (w/ Daniel McCarthy) 07.11.2024 12:57
As president-elect Donald Trump moves to build his second administration, will he follow the Reaganite path of smaller government and lower taxes, or will he instead break from traditional Republican doctrine to focus on industrial growth and pro-family policies? Will his national security team be hawkish or dovish? And just how serious is he about his proposed tariffs? In this episode, Jacob Heil...
Trump’s Second Act (w/ Harry Kazianis) 06.11.2024 11:03
In a stunning political comeback, former president Donald Trump routed vice president Kamala Harris in Tuesday's presidential election to reclaim the White House. What does his victory signal for the future of U.S. democracy? And how will a second Trump administration reshape U.S. foreign policy on Ukraine and Taiwan? In this episode, Jacob Heilbrunn speaks with Harry J. Kazianis, executive editor...
Iran’s Ballistic Missile Attack on Israel (w/ Zalmay Khalilzad) 01.10.2024 12:48
On Tuesday evening, Iran launched hundreds of ballistic missiles at Israel in what appears to be a direct response to Israel's actions in Lebanon over the past week. What are the consequences of the attack? How great is the danger of further escalation into a regional conflict? And what impact might these events have on next month’s U.S. presidential election? In this episode, Jacob Heilbrunn spea...
Harris Takes the Fight to Trump (w/ Harry Kazianis) 11.09.2024 10:43
On Tuesday night, former President Donald Trump faced Vice President Kamala Harris for their first and likely only debate of the 2024 election season. Harris, channeling her prosecutor background, goaded Trump into making a series of preposterous statements. How might her performance influence undecided voters, and what impact could it have on the November election, still several weeks away? In th...
Who Is J.D. Vance? (w/ Harry Kazianis) 16.07.2024 11:48
On Monday, Donald Trump announced Ohio Senator J.D. Vance as his 2024 running mate. A recent convert to the MAGA movement, Vance has championed Trump’s “America First” foreign policy vision and vocally denounced NATO and U.S. support for Ukraine. What might his selection signal both for the future of U.S. foreign policy and for the direction of the Republican party? In this episode, Jacob Heilbrun...
Are We in a New Cold War? (w/ Dan Negrea) 29.04.2024 28:26
As Washington confronts increasing belligerence from China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea, does the West face the start of a new “cold war”? How should policymakers define victory? And what would a second Trump administration mean for the confrontation? In this episode, Jacob Heilbrunn speaks with Dan Negrea, the Senior Director of the Freedom and Prosperity Center at the Atlantic Council and coau...
GOP Opposition to Ukraine Aid (w/ Curt Mills) 25.04.2024 13:58
In a pivotal moment amidst Russia’s ongoing invasion of Ukraine, the U.S. Senate passed a $60 billion aid package for Kyiv in a 79-to-18 vote Tuesday night. Despite the win, the measure faced dogged opposition in the House, where a majority of GOP members—112—voted against it. What explains the growing indifference, if not outright hostility, to Ukraine aid in the Republican Party? In this episode...
Turkey’s Elections: A Major Blow for Erdoğan? (w/ Greg Priddy) 01.04.2024 10:08
Media coverage has depicted Turkey’s nationwide local elections on Sunday as a major blow for President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his ruling Justice and Development Party. How significant is this political defeat, and what does it augur both for Turkish and Middle East politics? In this episode, Jacob Heilbrunn speaks with Greg Priddy, a Senior Fellow for the Middle East at the Center for the Natio...
Antonin Scalia and Today's Supreme Court (w/ James Rosen) 27.03.2024 28:40
Antonin Scalia’s staunch advocacy for constitutional originalism and textualism—and his 1986 appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court—defined a new era in American jurisprudence. As his heirs move to form majorities throughout the federal court system, only now is the full impact of his legacy being realized. In this episode, Jacob Heilbrunn speaks with James Rosen, chief White House correspondent fo...
Terror in Moscow and Putin’s Response (w/ Paul Saunders) 23.03.2024 27:29
Yesterday’s devastating terrorist attack in Moscow—which left at least 115 dead and reportedly implicates the ISIS-K terror group—poses a significant political challenge for Russia’s freshly reelected president Vladimir Putin. In a bid to manage the fallout from his government’s intelligence failure, Putin's initial remarks this morning hinted at Ukrainian complicity, signaling a clear strategy to...
Congress’s Tug-of-War Over Ukraine Aid (w/ Scott Cullinane) 21.03.2024 15:11
As members of Congress depart Washington for yet another recess, critical aid to Ukraine remains stalled. What explains the eight-month deadlock, and what are its consequences for both U.S. foreign policy and Ukrainian defense capabilities? In this episode, Jacob Heilbrunn talks with Scott Cullinane, director of government affairs at the non-profit Razom for Ukraine. Cullinane previously served as...
The U.S.-Israel Rift Over Gaza (w/ Greg Priddy) 14.03.2024 13:27
As the U.S. announces plans to build a humanitarian aid port in Gaza, a confrontation now brews between the Biden administration and the Netanyahu government over Palestinian refugees. Can President Biden forestall an Israeli military offensive into the border city of Rafah? In this episode, Jacob Heilbrunn speaks with Greg Priddy, a Senior Fellow for the Middle East at the Center for the National...
Joe Biden's Fiery State of the Union (w/ Harry Kazianis) 08.03.2024 12:48
Facing growing scrutiny over his age, President Biden came out swinging Thursday night with a forceful State of the Union address that set the tone for the 2024 general election. Will his performance assuage doubts about his fitness, at age 81, to lead the U.S. through an increasingly volatile global order? In this episode, Jacob Heilbrunn speaks with Harry J. Kazianis, executive editor of The Nat...
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