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In Reality
“In Reality” debunks fake news and elevates the innovative researchers, entrepreneurs, journalists and policymakers who are fighting back against toxic misinformation. Co-hosts Joan Donovan, research director of the Harvard Kennedy School’s Shorenstein Center on Media and Public Policy, and Eric Schurenberg, an award-winning journalist and former CEO of Fast Company, engage guests in enlightening conversations about solutions to this scourge and the path back to a shared reality.
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Episodes
What Really Works To Bridge Political Divides with 'Our Common Bonds' Author Matthew Levendusky 07.07.2026 33:58
Welcome to In Reality, the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, longtime media executive, and now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. If you've listened to this podcast more than once, you've likely heard a recurring question: What would it take to get Americans over their political alienation? Would it help to clean up and diversify our...
Politics Without Polarization in Iowa with Governor Candidate Rob Sand (Democrat) 18.06.2026 23:33
Welcome to In Reality, the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, longtime journalist and media executive, now founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. When Eric interviewed Rob Sand last summer, his run for Iowa governor had more than a whiff of tilting at windmills. He remains the only Democrat to hold statewide elected office in a state that hasn’t elected...
The Delicate Art of Managing Reputation in the Age of AI with Featured's Brett Farmiloe 29.05.2026 22:29
Welcome to In Reality, the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, longtime journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. When we talk about the information ecosystem on this podcast, you tend to focus on its public-facing parts, so journalists, social media platforms, influencers. But there is another player, one that acts b...
The Way Back to Truth as We Once Knew It with 'The Future of Truth' Author Steven Rosenbaum 12.05.2026 38:56
Welcome to In Reality, the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, longtime journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. What happened to truth in the digital age and how will AI challenge it even further? Those are the questions at the heart of today's conversation. Steve Rosenbaum, Emmy award-winning filmmaker, founde...
12 Years at War Against Misinformation - Renée DiResta. Author of 'Invisible Rulers' 01.05.2026 58:31
Welcome to In Reality, the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, longtime journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. If you want to understand how we got to this moment, a moment in which most Americans say they can't tell what's true online anymore, when loud minorities can manufacture the appearance of mass co...
The Kinds of Stories that Bridge Political Divides. Melody Mohebi (Democracy 2076) & Brian Waniewski (Harmony Labs) 16.04.2026 32:33
Welcome to In Reality, the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schoenberg, a longtime journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. Most people think of America's political divisions as based in political ideology, red versus blue, liberal versus conservative. But what if we're misunderstanding the fault lines? Today's g...
You Are Not Thinking As Clearly As You Think - with 'Good Thinking' Author David Robert Grimes 28.03.2026 48:35
Welcome to In Reality—the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, long-time journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. Here is the question of our information-saturated age: Why, when they have access to more information than ever in history, do so many people believe things that are demonstrably untrue? This is not just t...
In Democracy, You Can’t Avoid Conflicts. You Have To Just Do Them Better - Jonathan Stray 26.02.2026 38:21
It’s pretty much a cliché to say that Americans live in two separate political realities. We shout at each other from our separate bunkers, unable to agree even on basic facts. One coping strategy—and maybe the default, given human nature—is to hunker down with our own tribe and demonize the other. But there are more constructive ways, and today’s guest makes a living examining those alternatives....
Big Tech VS Euro Regulators - Guess Who's Winning. With John O'Brennan from Maynooth University in Ireland 22.01.2026 54:47
Welcome to In Reality, the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. On In Reality, we spend most of our time on the media environment in the US. But information integrity is also under assault in Europe, where Russian propaganda efforts are, if anything, more pervasive than here. For example, late last year, Russia hit P...
A Sheriff for the Digital Wild West with Top Digital Crime Fighter Carole House 10.01.2026 52:13
Welcome to In Reality—the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, long-time journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. Most of the guests on In Reality come out of the information world: journalists, researchers, a few politicians, but mostly people trying to clean up our polluted news feed and dial down the heat in our pol...
How AI Changes Voters' Minds with Oxford University's Kobi Hackenburg 10.12.2025 36:33
Welcome to In Reality the podcast about truth disinformation and the media with Eric Schurenberg, long time journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. Up to this point, Eric's assumption about artificial intelligence—and he's not alone in this—has been that it will only make the information environment worse. More chaotic, more polluted by mass p...
We In The Press Could Do A Lot Of Things Better: Steve Peoples Chief Political Writer of The Associated Press 21.11.2025 44:12
Welcome to In Reality, the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, long-time business journalist and executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. What has it meant to be a professional news journalist during the past 10 years? In an era of gleeful hostility to the press, how do reporters cope? How do they avoid becoming the story? How do they ha...
Without Federal Funding, What is Public Media Really? KCRW President Jennifer Ferro 30.10.2025 43:24
Welcome to In Reality , the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, longtime journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. Two weeks ago, as we recorded this episode, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting closed its doors. As you no doubt know, Congress this summer voted to claw back money it had already approved to support...
Courtney Radsch: Information is an Ecosystem. Without Journalism, It Collapses 16.10.2025 41:22
Welcome to In Reality , the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg—longtime journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. On this show we often describe the news and information system as an ecosystem, and it’s a good metaphor. The media landscape is complex, interconnected, dynamic—and, right now, deeply out of balance. The g...
Understanding The Stories That Divide Us with Harmony Labs' Brian Waniewski 03.10.2025 39:12
Welcome to In Reality, the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, longtime journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. The cliche about disinformation is you're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. What that formulation ignores though is that the facts that we regard as true, the opinions we hold as co...
How To Think Clearly About The News In Your Feed with 'Effective Thinking' Expert Michael Starbird 19.09.2025 51:39
Welcome to In Reality , the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with host, Eric Schurenberg, longtime journalist and media executive, now founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. One of the hard things to face about the news ecosystem in this country at this time is that no one is coming to rescue us. There will be no Clean Air Act to take the fabrications and misconceptions and...
Politics Without Polarization in Iowa with Governor Candidate Rob Sand (Democrat) 28.08.2025 23:36
Welcome to In Reality , the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, longtime journalist and media executive, now founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. Even in America, there is at least one sign that tribal loyalty doesn’t always dictate political outcomes. Kentucky, Kansas and North Carolina—Republican majority states all—have elected Democratic governors....
Signs of Revival In Local News. No, Really! - Indiegraf's Erin Millar 07.08.2025 42:57
Welcome to In Reality , the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media hosted by Eric Schurenberg, longtime journalist and media executive, now founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. Any listener to In Reality is aware of the crisis in local news. It’s a five alarm fire. It’s the news desertification of rural America. And so, we can admire the problem forever. But one of the goals of...
"What Journalism Needs Now Is Not What Journalists Think" with Richard Gingras (Google & Village Media) and Tom Rosenstiel (UMD) 24.07.2025 50:06
Welcome to In Reality , the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media with Eric Schurenberg, long-time journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. We’ve been trying to suss out the future of media for the past few weeks by talking about the present of it. The rise of influencers, the decline of local media, the mercurial psyche of audiences. Okay....
AI In The Newsroom: The Humanoid In The Loop with Perplexity AI's Jessica Chan and Troy Thibodeaux from the Associated Press 11.07.2025 36:32
Welcome to In Reality , the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media. I’m your host, Eric Schurenberg, long-time journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. You cannot talk about the future of media, or the future of anything for that matter, without talking about AI. What generative AI does is pretty much exactly what journalism does: digest infor...
Three Top Influencers on Building Trust Amid the Chaos: Kate Bacon, David Pakman, and Eric Newcomer 26.06.2025 50:00
Welcome to In Reality , the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media. I’m your host, Eric Schurenberg, a longtime journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. In previous episodes of In Reality , when we’ve talked about media, we’ve focused mostly on legacy outlets—and their simultaneous crises of evaporating trust and shrinking revenues. But that n...
How Media Makes Money Today (It's Not Easy) with CEO of The Meteor Cindi Leive 12.06.2025 43:24
Welcome to In Reality , the podcast about truth, disinformation, and the media. I’m Eric Schurenberg, longtime journalist and founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media. We talk a lot about the economic challenges , not to say cataclysm, that news media has been through in recent decades. Even the most storied brands have found themselves striking advertising deals they’d never have considered a d...
What Are You Really Seeking When You Click On News? University of Delaware's Prof Dannagal Young 22.05.2025 36:39
Welcome to In Reality, the podcast about truth, disinformation and the media with Eric Schurenberg, a longtime journalist, now executive director of the Alliance for Trust in Media. Have you ever thought about what you are really doing when you scroll for news, or click on a headline that pops up in your feed? The quick answer is, “I want to know what’s happening in the world.” Or, more pompously,...
First Aid for the Local News Emergency with Local News Accelerator Mackenzie Warren (Northwestern University) 08.05.2025 42:09
Welcome to In Reality, the podcast about truth, disinformation and the media. I’m your host Eric Schurenberg, long time journalist and media executive, now the founder of the Alliance for Trust in Media The news business has been in freefall, as every listener to In Reality is aware. The plunge has been steepest in local journalism. We lose two local news outlets a week, on average. Half the count...
If News Is So Important, Why Can't It Make Money? with Historic Media Executive Norman Pearlstine 30.04.2025 35:51
Americans have long had a conflicted attitude about political news. On the one hand, most Americans, Republicans and Democrats, see the press as an essential watchdog on government. This is not a new idea: The founders of the country singled out the press for protection from government interference for just that reason. At the same time, sizable majorities of Republicans and independents today--a...
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