Sadie Witkowski
In Defense of Fandom
In Defense of Fandom explores the world of fandom, focusing on creativity, community, and collaboration. The show, pulling from interviews with creators and fandom research, illuminates the ways that fandom can be an incredibly positive influence in our lives. In season one, the podcast focused on the creative output of the SPN Family, as Supernatural fans call themselves, a lens to understand fandom activities as a whole. Season two broadened the premise by exploring how the ending of a TV series can affect its fandom. Topics ranged from whether the ending is good/terrible/divisive to wheth...
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Sadie Witkowski
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Latest episode
Jul 1, 2026
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Episodes
Season 4 Promo: Conventions 01.07.2026 9:42
This season, we're changing up formats! Conventions are all about the in-person experiences and the conversations you have with others. This season, we'll bring that interview format to life with minimally edited conversations between Sadie and a range of guests. Have a guest you'd love to hear from? Or maybe a question you've always had about convention-planning? Let us know and you may hear your...
Supernatural Music Extravaganza: Series Finale - Carry On My Wayward Song (Rights) 06.01.2026 36:11
Welcome to the series finale of Supernatural Music Extravaganza! In this episode, the Denim Wrapped Nightmares and In Defense of Fandom crews tackle the eternal question: "Why does my Supernatural sound different on {insert name of streaming platform}?!" Spoiler alert: blame capitalism! The hosts explain the wild world of music licensing, from the show's early "oops, we only bought DVD rights" day...
Supernatural Music Extravaganza: Finding Their Voices - Briana Buckmaster & Lisa Berry 26.12.2025 49:54
Welcome back to another installment of the Denim-wrapped Nightmares and In Defense of Fandom collaboration, Supernatural Music Extravaganza! What happens when two powerhouse voices (who spent years thinking they weren't good enough) finally find their people? Pure magic, that's what. Briana Buckmaster and Lisa Berry take us back to a fateful train ride from a Stage West audition where they bonded...
Supernatural Music Extravaganza: The Family Business - Supporting Local Musicians 16.12.2025 1:08:48
Our collaboration special between Denim-wrapped Nightmares and In Defense of Fandom continues with hosts Sadie, LA, and Berly exploring the world of Supernatural-inspired music—because apparently, watching two gorgeous brothers hunt monsters for 15 seasons wasn't enough. Opening its doors in 2018, Family Business Beer Company was a Texas hill country retreat where visitors could drink craft brews,...
Supernatural Music Extravaganza: Backstage Pass - The Crew's Turn in the Spotlight 02.12.2025 1:22:17
Ever wonder what happens when a TV show's crew forms a band? We got answers from two members of The Impalas - Supernatural's incredibly talented crew band that rocked wrap parties and even appeared as the Roadhouse band in an actual episode. Jim Michaels (Producer) reveals that crew bands are a TV tradition, explains The Impalas' "full-time crew members only" rule, and shares how their drummer was...
Supernatural Music Extravaganza: More Than Background Music - Creating the Convention Experience 18.11.2025 1:18:21
Welcome to episode two of the Denim Wrapped Nightmares and In Defensive Fandom crossover! This episode dives deep into the sonic soul of Supernatural—from the classic rock that made us fall in love with the show to the music keeping the fandom alive today. Billy Moran - Guitarist for Louden Swain, Billy was actually a Supernatural fan BEFORE he joined Rob Benedict's band. Discover how a Flash webs...
Supernatural Music Extravaganza: A Mixtape 20 Years in the Making - Meet your co-hosts 11.11.2025 40:28
Sadie, along with Denim-wrapped Nightmare's Berly and LA, kick off their massive 10-episode collaboration celebrating the 20th anniversary of Supernatural by diving into the show's iconic musical legacy. And yes, they interviewed over 20 people for this series because apparently they're all insane. The episode opens with a power move: Sadie asking Jared and Jensen about Supernatural's music at a c...
Promo: Supernatural Music Extravaganza 21.10.2025 4:46
A Mixtape 20 years in the making In a multi-part Supernatural 20th anniversary special, we’re collaborating with Denim-Wrapped Nightmares to explore music that made the show, music inspired by the show, and music from the show's cast, writers, and crew. We interviewed musicians, crew, and cast members to hear directly from them how important music was (and is!) to the SPN family. Make sure you sub...
Bonus: Interview with Meghan Fitzmartin 09.09.2025 59:09
Here's another bonus episode while I work on the next season! A conversation with writer of television, animation, comics, and audio: Meghan Fitzmartin. And for my fellow SPN family out there, you will recognize her name as first a writers assistant for Supernatural to a staffed writer in the final season, penning the episodes Piece of Mind and Drag Me Away (From You). More on Meghan and her upcom...
Bonus: SDCC Post Con-versation 26.08.2025 1:22:49
This conversation with fellow Geekscapists is a post-San Diego Comic Con(versation) covering press passes to running activation booths to attending as a panelist! Check out the other Geekscape Podcasts & Projects: Jonathan London: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/geekscapeforever/hero-of-the-prophecy-1-a-pro-wrestling-comedic-fantasy Christian Bladt: https://www.weirdalgorithmpodcast.com/ Tess...
Bonus: Interview with Jerry Wanek 12.08.2025 49:30
While I’m still working on creating both a special collaboration mini series and mapping out season 4, I wanted to provide you listeners with a special treat! This episode is an interview with Supernatural's production designer, producer, and occasional director: Jerry Wanek! We talk about his experience working on Supernatural, how the show reflected timeless styles from the iconic motel rooms to...
Season 3 Bonus: Sadie & Anna answer your questions! 22.07.2025 37:58
With season 3 wrapped, we wanted to see what lingering questions you have about parasocial relationships. Editor Anna Funk joins Sadie on the mic to answer some listener questions and reflect on the season as a whole. Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie See full episode transcript at www.s...
Season 3 Episode 6: Benefits, Risks, & the Future of Parasocial Relationships 09.07.2025 32:06
In this final installment of the season, we wrap up final thoughts on the state of celebrity worship, fame, and parasociality. We’ll also hear a bit more about the positive things that we can get out of parasocial relationships, some of the risks to watch out for, and discuss the future of parasociality. Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris...
Season 3 Episode 5: Making Parasocial Relationships Reciprocal 17.06.2025 37:33
We’ve talked about parasocial relationships as a one-way street, but can that ever change? Is there a way for a parasocial bond to become just a regular friendship? What would that even look like? Hear examples of how parasocial relationships became something more reciprocal, and learn whether that’s likely to be a rare event or something more commonplace. Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsd...
Season 3 Episode 4: Modern Celebrity Worship 03.06.2025 26:09
Has the internet made us all worse at relationships, including the parasocial ones? We’ll talk about the celebrity attitude scale, which measures how intensely an audience member feels about a celebrity, how the internet has changed our media diets, and how online relationships are a blessing and a curse. Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris...
Season 3 Episode 3: Parasocial-Adjacent 20.05.2025 39:52
What’s it like to be in-between a celebrity and their fans? What’s it like to have a real relationship with a famous person—and have fans think you might be an access point to that person? Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott And new music written & performed by August Hotel: @augusthotel Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie S...
Short Hiatus Note 06.05.2025 3:39
I'm so sorry for the delay, but I promise you will have a brand-spanking-new episode in your feed in 2 weeks. In the meantime, support NPR/PBS! Support local journalism! And find ways to give back to your community around you, because this is the only way we're going to make it through. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Season 3 Episode 2: The Medium is the Message 22.04.2025 54:54
Explore how parasocial relationships may, or may not, differ across mediums. I speak with creators in music, podcasting, youtube, and musical threater spaces to hear how each of their experiences are different and yet so similar! Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @itsdrfunk.bsky.social Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott And new music written & performed by August Hotel: @augu...
Season 3 Episode 1: Parasocial Relationships 08.04.2025 27:37
What happens when our minds fixate on an actor or band member or podcaster and we start to see things that aren’t there? When a fan feels so much closer to their idolized famous person than they really are? AKA, What’s the deal with parasocial relationships? Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cover art by Liz Hand: @__ellie See fu...
Season 3 Episode 0: Rebroadcast of Carrying Wayward 18.03.2025 49:06
A HUGE thank you to Marie for letting me rebroadcast this lovely conversation with her from March 2024. If you aren't already, you should subscribe to Carrying Wayward for all their excellent episodes: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/carrying-wayward-a-supernatural-podcast/id1541257824 Editorial Support by Dr. Anna Funk: @DrAnnaFunk Music written & performed by Chris Scott: @Chrispscott Cove...
Bonus: Conversation with Jonathan London 04.02.2025 38:30
Don't forget to send me your fan questions! You can reach out via twitter (@SadieWit), instagram (@Sadie_Wit) or my website form (sadiewit.com) Link to Jonathan's Kickstarter: www.herooftheprophecy.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Bonus: LA Fires Report 21.01.2025 56:24
I catch up with costume designer Jennifer May Nickel regarding the aftermath of the Eaton fire in LA. Jennifer & JP’s gofundme: https://www.gofundme.com/f/jp-jennifer-may-nickel-eaton-fire-relief-fund?modal=donations&tab=all RA recovery fund: https://give.randomacts.org/campaign/random-acts-natural-disaster-recovery-fund/c656615 Geekscape podcaster’s gofundme: bit.ly/DustinErin Creation Entertainm...
Fandom Questions: Shae 07.01.2025 18:55
What started as a random question on Bluesky turned into a whole conversation about fandom conventions (and why I seem to go to so many of them). Thank you Shae for agreeing to jump online with me to chat over the winter holidays so that I could answer your question in far more depth than you were expecting. Remember if you have a fan question of your own, you can reach me on insta, X, bluesky, or...
Fandom Questions: Anna's Answer 24.12.2024 14:31
Today, we answer Anna’s query! Solution 1: Fifty Shades of Grey is an example of fanfiction that became published as a standalone series. Serialization & Fifty Shades of Grey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzk9N7dJBec Solution 2: Some writers start in fanfiction, but have to leave that world behind so that it doesn’t influence their own, cannon writing (and accidentally steal ideas) How Tamsyn M...
Fandom Questions: Anna Funk 17.12.2024 11:10
Welcome to our experiment! Podcast editor Dr. Anna Funk steps up to the mic to ask a question that's been bubbling in the back of her mind. Listen next week for the reveal of the answer! And do you have a fandom question? Send it out way! Either through twitter DMs (@SadieWit), instagram (@Sadie_Wit), or via the webform at https://www.sadiewit.com/contact-1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit...
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