Jonathan Lawless and Jeremy Potter
Housing Insiders
The housing market is wonky. From policy changes to financial innovations to pilot projects that make housing more plentiful and affordable, there's a ton of "inside baseball" to discuss and take action on. Each episode, hear the latest developments and trends in home building and home financing - from "sticks-and-bricks" to AI - and learn what you can do to improve the housing industry. Hosted by housing market thought leaders Jonathan Lawless and Jeremy Potter, and featuring interviews with disruptive guests across the housing industry. If you want to see everyone well-housed, tune in. Jonat...
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Jun 30, 2026
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Beyond Blueprints: Turning Housing Ideas Into Action with Housing Innovation Alliance's Dennis Steigerwalt 31.08.2025 48:44
Housing Innovation Alliance President Dennis Steigerwalt joins Housing Insiders to talk about the work of his "crowd-accelerated innovation platform" to identify success stories in the market and bring together financiers and builders to scale innovation. From the Picket Fence Concept Home in Pittsburgh, PA to localized microfactories, Steigerwalt talks about the green shoots of innovation springi...
Hispanic Homeownership: NAHREP's Jason Riveiro on Trends, Challenges, and Opportunities to Reach Latino Buyers 18.08.2025 46:02
Welcome to Season 2 of Housing Insiders, where we'll be bringing you more of the conversations you won't hear anywhere else – about how to make housing more innovative, affordable and accessible. Kicking us off this season is Jason Riveiro, Senior Advisor to the CEO of NAHREP (National Association of Hispanic Real Estate Professionals). We talk about the critical role Hispanic households play in d...
From the Backyard to the Blockchain: This Week in Housing 27.07.2025 58:51
On this "Value Meal" episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy take a bite out of all the latest housing headlines. On the menu: the latest Bilt funding round and how it skyrocketed the platform's valuation, what the proposed ADU bill on Capitol Hill could mean for homeowners & real estate professionals, the latest tweetstorm from FHFA Director Bill Pulte, whether VantageScore will actually...
Swing for the Fences: A Conversation with Clear Capital's Kenon Chen about Disrupting the Status Quo 13.07.2025 49:55
Kenon Chen , Clear Capital 's EVP of Strategy and Growth, joins the show for a round-robin discussion of the housing headlines, including FHFA Director Bill Pulte's surprise announcement that Fannie and Freddie would now accept VantageScore for mortgage underwriting. It's a big swing for the fences, but will it help more people qualify to be homeowners? Jonathan remains dubious, stating, "We won't...
Navigating Turmoil in the Mortgage World: A Conversation with Saul Ewing's Trip Riley & Jason McElroy 29.06.2025 1:05:13
Saul Ewing Partners Trip Riley & Jason McElroy are the perfect guests to shed light on the current regulatory ambiguity in the housing and mortgage market. Their expertise spans mortgage origination and servicing, regulatory counseling, compliance auditing, and litigation defense. On this episode, Riley and McElroy emphasize the challenges posed by the federal government stepping back, with states...
Get Smoked or Get Smart: Rocket's Bob Walters on AI and the Future of the Mortgage Industry 16.06.2025 1:05:30
Former Rocket Mortgage CEO Bob Walters spent 28 years transforming the company from a small regional brokerage into the country's largest mortgage lender. Walters joins Housing Insiders to share what he learned along the way from Rocket Founder Dan Gilbert and how their work simplifying and democratizing complex lending processes made Rocket a leader in digital mortgage solutions. On this episode,...
Solving the Housing Shortage with Mike Kingsella, Up for Growth 01.06.2025 50:36
Up for Growth is a national, cross-sector member network committed to solving the housing shortage and affordability crisis through data-driven research and evidence-based policy. Founder & CEO Mike Kingsella joins Housing Insiders to talk why some cities grow and others struggle, whether the NIMBYs or YIMBYs have it right, and what he wants Congress to do to solve the housing shortage. Whether y...
A New National Building Code: The Obvious Answer with Ivan Rupnik, MOD X 19.05.2025 48:41
Ivan Rupnik is Associate Professor of Architecture at Northeastern University and Founding Partner of MOD X , a research-based advisory he started along with Ryan E. Smith and Tyler Schmetterer that supports the global offsite construction industry. He joins Housing Insiders to talk about building codes: how they work (and in the case of the US, could work a lot better), and how a nationalized app...
The Apartment Equation: Talking Trends, Tech, and Tenants with NAA's Bob Pinnegar 05.05.2025 45:32
Bob Pinnegar is the President and CEO of the National Apartment Association (NAA), a trade association representing 95,000 members with over 12 million rental units nationwide. Bob joins Housing Insiders to talk about the state of multifamily housing and the complicated factors - from interest rates to tariffs - making the future of the rental market harder to predict than usual. Bob unpacks the c...
The Ivory Prize Top 10: A Conversation with Jenna Louie, Ivory Innovations 20.04.2025 43:55
Drumroll, please! Chief Innovation and Strategy Officer Jenna Louie of Ivory Innovations joins Housing Insiders to announce the Top 10 finalists for its prestigious Ivory Prize , a national award designed to recognize and support innovative and scalable solutions addressing the housing affordability crisis. Competing across the categories of Construction & Design, Finance, and Policy & Regulatory...
AI and the Future of Mortgage Infrastructure: A Conversation with Mike Yu, Vesta 06.04.2025 36:41
In this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy are joined by Mike Yu to talk the past, present, and future of technology in mortgage lending - and the huge role AI will play in mortgage digitization. Mike is the Co-Founder & CEO of Vesta , a provider of next generation mortgage loan origination software, allowing financial institutions to improve their lending processes with customizable w...
Upheaval at the GSEs: A Conversation with Jim Parrott, Urban Institute 23.03.2025 55:10
In this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy are joined by Jim Parrott to talk about the latest shakeups at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, including the removal of 14 board members and the firing of the CEO of Freddie Mac. With Bill Pulte as the new, self-appointed chairman of the board of both organizations, speculation is rampant about the extent of the further "DOGE treatment" the agenci...
Housing Hot Takes 09.03.2025 37:18
On this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy discuss the latest housing news from Washington, starting with the DOGE staffers at HUD (Housing and Urban Development) and whether or not fears about their access to valuable data are overblown. Next, will the return to office further exacerbate the baby bust ? And feedback on the confirmation hearings of Bill Pulte for FHFA (Federal Housing...
Understanding RESPA: A Conversation with Attorney Trip Riley 16.02.2025 1:05:23
In this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy talk GSEs and the potential impact on mortgage rates should the Trump administration pull Fannie and Freddie out of conservatorship. Next, while the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) may be on ice, the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act (RESPA) has not gone away. Saul Ewing Partner Trip Riley joins the show to talk about why RESPA...
A Chaotic 24 Hours: Federal Funding & HUD 03.02.2025 28:27
On this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy discuss the confusion that reigned in Washington, DC last week, after the White House memo ordering a freeze on all federal grants and loans seemed to put a myriad of housing programs in jeopardy. According to Jonathan, "If you want to stop federal grants, you have to be a little more thoughtful than just cutting them all immediately." HUD has...
Reaching the Unbanked through Fintech: A Conversation with Steve Royster, MoCaFi 19.01.2025 57:43
In this episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy discuss what the wildfires mean for homeowners insurance nationwide and the long-term impact the wildfires will have on the homebuilding process, including the prognosis for factory-built homes. Next, Steve Royster , Head of Community Banking & Marketing at MoCaFi (Mobility Capital Finance), joins the show to talk about his work reaching and h...
The Year Ahead in Housing: 2024 Recap & 2025 Predictions for the Housing Industry 06.01.2025 56:29
It's a time unlike any other in the housing industry. In this special episode of Housing Insiders, Jonathan & Jeremy review the highlight reel of some of their favorite guests from 2024, discussing insights learned and revealing their big bets for 2025. Hear their positive & negative takes on the housing industry heading into 2025, including what rising insurance and property taxes will mean for h...
Investing in AI Housing Startups: A Conversation with Jared Stasik, Detroit Venture Partners (DVP) 23.12.2024 35:59
Jared Stasik , Partner at Detroit Venture Partners (DVP), joins Housing Insiders to chat a day in the life of funding early-stage tech companies, including housing startups. DVP was founded in 2010 by Dan Gilbert, Quicken Loans/Rocket Mortgage Founder & Chairman and owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers, with a vision to grow Detroit's entrepreneurial community. Hear how Jared decides what types of hou...
Momentum in Modular: A Conversation with Hugh Frater, Vessel Technologies 09.12.2024 39:05
Hugh Frater , the former CEO of Fannie Mae (and Jonathan's old boss) joins Housing Insiders to offer his blunt take on solving the housing crisis. According to Frater, "I don't think we should be promoting homeownership per se. I think we should just be finding ways to deliver more housing without regard to whether it's rental or for sale." As Chairman of Vessel Technologies , a developer and manu...
Market Trends: A Conversation with Ivy Zelman 25.11.2024 33:58
Ivy Zelman is the CEO of Zelman & Associates . When it comes to housing trends, Ivy has developed a reputation for "seeing around corners,'' and her accurate forecasts – including predicting the 2008 housing crash - make her one of the most influential people we know. In this episode, Ivy takes out her crystal ball once again and has some harsh warnings for the industry about the headwinds she see...
The 401(k) for Homeownership: A Conversation with Landy Liu, Foyer 11.11.2024 33:35
The down payment on a home continues to be unrealistic for many Americans. How can we change that? Landy Liu is the Founder of Foyer , a savings platform for first-time homebuyers. Think of it as the "401(k) for homeownership." Hear him reveal how their savings platform works, the key things to keep in mind as a first-time homebuyer, what the government can do to help first-time homebuyers, how Fo...
Rent-to-Own Homes: A Conversation with K.C. Cleary, Pathway Homes 28.10.2024 38:24
With traditional homeownership more unattainable than ever, aspirational homeowners are exploring 'rent-to-own' options. K.C. Cleary is the Co-Founder & Chief Strategy Officer of Pathway Homes , a real estate company that provides new construction rentals to tenants, with the option to purchase them over time. Cleary explains that renting gives tenants time to build their credit score and save for...
Bonus Episode: Dissecting the Candidates' Housing Promises with Jeb Mason, Mindset 21.10.2024 38:40
The 2024 presidential election is only weeks away, and housing is front and center as a campaign issue like never before, with each candidate promising they have a plan to make housing more plentiful and affordable. To break down what Trump and Harris' campaign promises are all about, we talk to Jeb Mason , a partner at public policy consultancy Mindset , and a housing wonk like us. There are prom...
Homebuilding with UNskilled Laborers? A Conversation with Aleks Gampel, Cuby 14.10.2024 32:41
The homebuilding process is slow and expensive. Jonathan says it's driven by the Three L's: Lumber, Laws, and Labor. Aleks Gampel , Co-Founder of Cuby , is here to help that. Cuby deploys Mobile Micro-Factories (MMFs) globally to solve challenges within the home construction economy and beyond. Aleks, Jonathan, and Jeremy discuss navigating the issues with home construction today, how the MMFs wor...
Fractional Home Ownership: A Conversation with Prosperity Now's Marisa Calderon 30.09.2024 31:44
If home ownership is still a key to wealth generation, how can more Americans get their piece of the pie? Marisa Calderon , the President & CEO of Prosperity Now , joins Jonathan and Jeremy to talk about new approaches to building prosperity, including fractional home ownership and other "on ramps to wealth" through collaborative ownership of different kinds of assets. From co-ownership platform N...
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