Larry Barker & Drew Cline
Healthy Church Podcast
The Healthy Church Podcast is an honest conversation about what it means to be a part of a healthy church. There are no perfect churches - because they’re all filled with imperfect people led by imperfect leaders. But by God’s grace we can begin to dialogue about what changes can be made in our lives as leaders, and in the churches we serve, in order to better Love God and His people. For more information and other resources go to HealthyChurchPodcast. Com.
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Larry Barker & Drew Cline
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Jul 7, 2026
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Episodes
Myths About the Church p. 2 - HCP 259 24.06.2025 37:20
Myths About the Church p. 2 - HCP 259 This episode is part 2 of a conversation from last week. On this episode of the HCP, Drew and Larry discuss common myths that are often believed about the church and how they can lead to wrong ecclesiology. You can email us at info@healthychurchpodcast.com or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go to: http://www.healthychurchpodcast.com...
Myths About the Church p. 1 - HCP 258 17.06.2025 34:43
Myths About the Church p. 1 - HCP 258 On this episode of the HCP, Drew and Larry discuss common myths that are often believed about the church and how they can lead to wrong ecclesiology. You can email us at info@healthychurchpodcast.com or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go to: http://www.healthychurchpodcast.com or find us on FaceBook!
Guest Angelyn McMurray - HCP 257 10.06.2025 37:30
On this episode Heidi and Larry welcome Angelyn McMurray, director of WE ARE FREE. Some of the links and resources mentioned on the podcast are listed below. https://www.wearefree.us https://www.authenticintimacy.com https://www.amazon.com/Rethinking-Sexuality-Gods-Design-Matters/dp/0735291470/ref=sr_1_5?crid=1YW9XHC2UZ66&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.H3t03Hwl_qHO3xdKgRcRFMR5F0eE8_i9qnwPbKqrr3j6DLjY40GFPLl...
The Apprentice Square - HCPv 256 03.06.2025 35:46
The Apprentice Square - HCPv 256 On this episode Larry talks about a leadership and discipleship tool that can help you frame intentional development of someone you’re investing in. I do, you watch I do, you help You do, I help You do, I cheer This content is originally from: Catapult from the Exponential Conference You can email us at info@healthychurchpodcast.com or To find more information ab...
3 Life Drifts p. 2 - HCP 255 27.05.2025 34:52
3 Life Drifts p. 2 - HCP 255 On this episode, Larry and Drew continue their discussion on the inner life of pastoral ministry and the temptations of Appetite, Ambition, and Approval. Larry mentions: "Leading on Empty" Wayne Coderio "The Stressless Life" Vance Pittman Material is original to Church Younique. www.lifeyounique.com You can email us at info@healthychurchpodcast.c...
3 Life Drifts - HCP 254 20.05.2025 36:44
3 Life Drifts - HCP 254 On this episode, Larry and Drew discuss the inner life of pastoral ministry and the temptations of Appetite, Ambition, and Approval. Material is original to Church Younique. www.lifeyounique.com You can email us at info@healthychurchpodcast.com or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go to: http://www.healthychurchpodcast.com or find us on FaceBook!
HCP 253 - *Repost of HCP - 46 - “10 Signs of Being a Narcissistic Pastor” 13.05.2025 38:59
This is a REPOST from Episode 43 in Season 1. HCP - 46 - “10 Signs of Being a Narcissistic Pastor” Though it’s easy to point fingers at others, who you may think have this issue, we should probably look in the mirror first. The original sin is PRIDE. It got Lucifer kicked out of Heaven and Adam and Eve removed from Eden. It can also ruin your life and church. Though we all appreciate those momen...
What is the Church? p. 2 - Forms and Functions - HCP 252 06.05.2025 35:41
What is the Church? p. 2 - Forms and Functions - HCP 252 On this episode the guys help to differentiate between these terms FORMS and FUNCTIONS. One is timeless and non-negotiable, and the other is contextual and open for creativity and strategy. Consider what FORM your church utilizes and ask the question if it is appropriately following the FUNCTION the Lord has created it for. You can email us...
What Is The Church? - HCP 251 29.04.2025 34:01
What Is The Church? - HCP 251 On this episode Larry and Drew talk about the definitions of the church. What is a church? The word church seems to be thrown around to describe a worship service or a beautiful vacation spot, but what does the Bible define as the church? There are normative expectations from NT writers and it’s important to make sure we understand the Biblical definition. You can ema...
3 Focal Points for the Effective Church (p.3) - HCP 250 22.04.2025 42:33
3 Focal Points for the Effective Church (p.3) - HCP 250 On this episode, Larry and Drew discuss THE most important aspect of these 3 points to consider and that’s the SPIRITUAL. Jesus is the Chief Shepherd, it is His church, and we want to do more than go through the motions or understand contextually what the culture is in the area of our church. We want to meet with, experience, learn from our K...
3 Focal Points for the Effective Church (p. 1&2) - HCP 249 16.04.2025 40:25
3 Focal Points for the Effective Church (p. 1&2) - HCP 249 On this podcast Larry and Drew talk about Easter week and these 3 aspects of church leadership to consider in the health and effectiveness of your church. All 3 are important but not equal. Today the guys discuss Contextualization and Institutional realities to consider. There’s also some Holy Spirit led moments that are worth listenin...
Levels of Leadership 3&4 - HCP 248 09.04.2025 35:17
Levels of Leadership p. 3&4- HCP 248 This episode is content from a pastor’s zoom call where Larry talks about levels 3&4 of leadership. Check previous episodes for the first two levels. You can email us at info@healthychurchpodcast.com or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go to: http://www.healthychurchpodcast.com or find us on FaceBook!
HCP 247 is a ** REPOST of Ep. 147 with Steve McCoy 02.04.2025 44:34
HCP 247 is a ** REPOST of Ep. 147 with Steve McCoy HCP - Ep. 147 - Guest Steve McCoy with Small Circle On this episode, Larry and Drew welcome Pastor and Discipleship innovator Steve McCoy to the podcast. Steve and his team created Small Circle, a program to help people disciple others in small environments, one on one and similar environments. Steve talks about his story and why discipleship has...
Levels of Leadership p. 2&3 - HCP 246 25.03.2025 37:53
Levels of Leadership p. 2&3 - HCP 246 On this episode, Larry and Drew revisit their previous conversation on different levels of leadership. Today they address “permission” and “production”. Level 2 - permission is about relationships and building trust with your body so that you may add influence to your position. Level 3 - production is about what you’re trying to get done with the congregat...
Levels of Leadership p. 1 - HCP 245 18.03.2025 40:42
Levels of Leadership p. 1 - HCP 245 On this podcast Larry and Drew discuss the first and second levels of Maxwell’s “Level’s of Leadership”. Just because you have the “position” as pastor, doesn’t mean you have the trust of the people. In the business world, leaders are followed at this level (because they have to be) because of their job. As church leaders, we want to build trust because our peop...
Technology and The Church - HCP 244 11.03.2025 38:41
Technology and The Church - HCP 244 On this podcast, Larry and Drew welcome Brad Hill with Gloo to discuss what advancing technology and AI means for pastors and church leaders as well as their congregations. Many churches are using aspects of technology now and may not even understand the pros or cons for using AI in the future. Gloo works with Barna for research and metrics from nearly 50,000 ch...
Sabbaticals - HCP 243 04.03.2025 39:20
Sabbatical - HCP 243 On this episode of the HCP, Larry and Drew have special guests Dr. John David Smith and Pastor Wade Allen from Temple Baptist Church, Rogers, AR. Both John David and wade have recently come off of a time of Sabbath and share about how they prepared, what that time consisted of and what benefits they experienced by being intentional to take that time. Books they’ve suggested i...
Missio Dei - HCP 242 25.02.2025 38:37
Missio Dei - HCP 242 On this podcast, Larry and Drew discuss the MISSION OF GOD. Specifically Christology leading to Missiology which leads to Ecclesiology. In your context Does your church have a mission or does God’s mission have a church? Is it semantics? What are the implications of either? You can email us at info@healthychurchpodcast.com or To find more information about The Healthy Church...
Church Check-up - HCP 241 18.02.2025 37:49
Church Check-up - HCP 241 On this episode of the HCP, Larry and Drew talk about the need to assess how ministry is going in your church. Healthy Church Solutions even has an assessment you can take free of charge, just send us an email at the address below! You can email us at info@healthychurchpodcast.com or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go to: http://www.healthychurch...
What Does Your Church NEED? - HCP 240 11.02.2025 39:32
What Does Your Church NEED? - HCP 240 On this podcast Larry and Drew ask the question - What does your church need? As pastors and church leaders we need to continually be aware of the needs of our church family. Not unlike when you go to the doctor and they run tests to establish a baseline for your health, your church can also ask some questions that can help you get a good understanding of what...
Guest John Meriweather - HCP 239 04.02.2025 30:23
Guest John Meriweather - HCP 239 On this podcast Heidi and Drew welcome guest John Meriweather from BMA Global to talk about celebrating 75 years of mission with BMA Missions around the world and the up coming World Missions Day offering on the last Sunday of February. John discussed how the Lord has blessed BMA missions over 75 years and how we’re now seeing many national missionaries becoming se...
The Right YES - HCP 238 28.01.2025 34:52
The Right YES - HCP 237 On this podcast Larry and Drew finish the conversation from a couple of weeks ago regarding when to say no and being prayerful about saying yes. This conversation is about the choices we make, and the minute by minute, day by day and so on reality that the choices we make shape us. Be thoughtful of what you say yes to. Jesus even commands that we “let our yes be yes and our...
Guest Bill Elliff - HCP 237 21.01.2025 39:26
Guest Bill Elliff - HCP 237 On this Episode of the HCP - Dear friend Bill Elliff joins the guys to talk about his new book “Presence Centered Life”. This conversation was wonderful discussing what it means to abide in Jesus and experience His presence on a continual basis. You can find Bill’s new book and other works, small group material and resources at his website: www. BillElliff.org Or on Am...
Just Say NO! - HCP 236 14.01.2025 36:54
Just Say NO! - HCP 236 Sometimes as church leaders we struggle to say no. Often it is to the expense of family or personal soul care. What if we began to learn to be considerate of priorities in our lives and sensitive to the Holy Spirit for when we say yes or no. That’s the discussion on today’s HCP with Larry and Drew. You can email us at info@healthychurchpodcast.com or To find more information...
Guest Jason Prewitt - HCP 235 07.01.2025 34:33
Guest Jason Prewitt - HCP 235 On this podcast Larry and Drew welcome Camp Director Jason Prewitt of Daniel Springs Camp in Gary, TX. Daniel Springs will be hosting the Real Men Conference Jan. 17-18. To register go to www.danielspringscamp.com or email info@danielspringscamp.com You can email us at info@healthychurchpodcast.com or To find more information about The Healthy Church Podcast go to: h...
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