Larry Barker & Drew Cline
Healthy Church Podcast
The Healthy Church Podcast is an honest conversation about what it means to be a part of a healthy church. There are no perfect churches - because they’re all filled with imperfect people led by imperfect leaders. But by God’s grace we can begin to dialogue about what changes can be made in our lives as leaders, and in the churches we serve, in order to better Love God and His people. For more information and other resources go to HealthyChurchPodcast. Com.
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Larry Barker & Drew Cline
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Jul 7, 2026
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Episodes
HCP Ep. 60 - "Give Yourself Some Grace" 03.08.2021 37:02
HCP - Ep. 60 Give Yourself Some Grace On this episode Larry and Drew discuss the reality of weariness and struggle that may pastors and church leaders are walking through. “It’s ok to not be ok, but it’s not ok to stay that way”, this is such a true statement. You’re a human being and your adrenaline will only be sustained for so long. Let’s acknowledge the difficulty of what COVID has done to ou...
HCP - Ep. 59 - SOAR Sessions with Guests (Dan Carson and Stuart Estes) 27.07.2021 22:06
SOAR Sessions - Guest Dan Carson and Stuart Estes The HCP is on the road - this episode was recorded on location at the SOAR Student conference in Dallas, TX. In these sessions Larry and Drew talk with different leaders about healthy churches being made up of healthy student and college ministries. Students in the church are not the future of the church, they are the church of today and they are n...
HCP - Ep. 58 - SOAR Sessions with Guest (Donny Parrish) 20.07.2021 25:30
SOAR Sessions - Guest Donny Parrish The HCP is on the road - this episode was recorded on location at the SOAR Student conference in Dallas, TX. In these sessions Larry and Drew talk with different leaders about healthy churches being made up of healthy student and college ministries. Students in the church are not the future of the church, they are the church of today and they are needed to help...
HCP - Ep. 57 - SOAR Sessions with (Guest Chris Vines) 13.07.2021 21:57
SOAR Sessions - Guest Chris Vines The HCP is on the road - this episode was recorded on location at the SOAR Student conference in Dallas, TX. In these sessions Larry and Drew talk with different leaders about healthy churches being made up of healthy student and college ministries. Students in the church are not the future of the church, they are the church of today and they are needed to help th...
HCP Ep. 56 - Pastoring in End Times Culture with guest (Jake McCandless) 06.07.2021 30:35
On this episode of the HCP, Larry and Drew welcome pastor and author Jake McCandless, pastor of the Epic Church NWA in Springdale, AR. Jake has also authored some great books that might be a resource to you (details below). Jake is currently working through replanting a church and establishing a new vision and ministry direction at Epic Church NWA. Jake shares those details as well as information...
HCP Ep. 55 - Spiritual Dynamics of a Movement with guest (Gary Rohrmayer) 29.06.2021 38:56
On this episode of the HCP Larry and Drew welcome Gary Rohrmayer. Gary is the President of Converge Mid-America and Director of Church Multiplication Partners. Gary has written several books around the concept of a season of prayer based on a 21 day commitment. Gary shares with us the importance of prayer and the right attitude for Spiritual Movements in our ministries. Gary talks about these atti...
HCP Ep. 54 - "Multiplication Conversations with Guests (Dr. David DeVries and Dr. John David Smith) 22.06.2021 31:06
On this episode of the HCP, Larry and Drew are on location in Waxahatchie, TX for the Multiplication Workshop with Dr. David DeVries. Dr. DeVries has written and been teaching this material for over 10 years and most of those attending this conference have been through the material before and even taught it. So for many this was a refresher course. This conversation is one that questions and chall...
HCP Ep. 53 - "Pastoring Your Childhood Church" (Guest - Pastor Travis Matthews) 15.06.2021 32:23
One the HCP, today we welcome Pastor Travis Matthews for a conversation about pastoring his childhood church. He’s been at Graves Memorial in North Little Rock, AR as pastor for nearly 20 years and has grown up in ministry with this body from Student Pastor to Senior Pastor. Travis shared with us how God has been using his church to connect to a local church nearby in serving the community through...
HCP Ep. 52 - (Special Guest CCM Artist)- Ginny Owens 08.06.2021 32:31
On this episode of HCP Larry and Drew welcome veteran Contemporary Christian Music artist Ginny Owens to discuss her story and leadership lessons learned in the church. Ginny lost her eyesight early in life, but that has not slowed her down one bit. She has written and performed Christian music for the last 20 years on the road and releasing music to CCM radio. We asked Ginny to tell us what her...
HCP Ep. 51 - "Healthy Church Culture" (part 2) 01.06.2021 33:41
HCP - Healthy Church Culture (Part 2) This podcast is the second half of the discussion on Pete Scazzerro’s article on church culture. Last week we discussed the first 3 aspects of a healthy culture. Slowed-down Spirituality Integrity in Leadership Below-the-Surface Discipleship This week we talked about the final 3: Healthy Community Passionate Marriages and Singleness Every Person in Full-Time M...
HCP Ep. 50 - "Healthy Church Culture" (part 1) 25.05.2021 37:09
HCP - Healthy Church Culture Pt. 1 On this episode of HCP, Larry and Drew talk about a 6 part ebook offered by Pete Scazzerro on his site http://www.emotionallyhealthy.org/churchculture . We talk through the first three of these and the importance of a serious look at our hearts and ministries to make sure we’re walking in these truths. Scazzerro Lists the first 3 elements in his ebook as: Slowe...
HCP - Ep. 49 - Rethinking Discipleship with (Guest Kevin Marsico) 18.05.2021 46:50
Rethinking Discipleship On today’s Healthy Church Podcast, Larry and Drew welcome Church planter and coach (with the Timothy Initiative). Kevin shares his heart about the #1 problem with discipleship in the church today. We focus on information instead of obedience and therefore raise men and women full of knowledge that often fall short in living that knowledge out in our lives. Kevin also define...
HCP Ep. 48 - Small Town Church Planting (with Guest Chris Driver) 11.05.2021 33:56
Small Town Church Planting (with Guest Chris Driver) Today on the HCP, Larry and Drew welcome Chris Driver (planting pastor of Oasis Church, Levelland, TX). Context is everything in church planting. We have to be sensitive to the needs and culture of the towns we plant churches in. Those different contexts can be extremely varied. Current church planting models may not connect as well in small to...
HCP - Ep. 47 "Missional Small Groups" 27.04.2021 34:08
Missional Small Groups On this episode of HCP, Larry and Drew talk about mission in the context of small groups. Many times our small groups can become very exclusive and internally focused and we can forget that we’re not only called to care for one another, but to also be intentional in our sharing of the Gospel everywhere we go. In the same way that we pray for one another, want to care for eac...
HCP - Ep. 46 - “10 Signs of Being a Narcissistic Pastor” 20.04.2021 38:59
HCP - 46 - “10 Signs of Being a Narcissistic Pastor” Though it’s easy to point fingers at others, who you may think have this issue, we should probably look in the mirror first. The original sin is PRIDE. It got Lucifer kicked out of Heaven and Adam and Eve removed from Eden. It can also ruin your life and church. Though we all appreciate those moments as leaders in the church where someone says...
HCP Ep. 45 - Navigating Confrontation 13.04.2021 34:17
On this episode of the Healthy Church Podcast, Larry and Drew candidly talk about ministry and life experiences where they have worked through confrontation. We all face it in most of our relationships and our team or staff relationships are no different. You’ve probably had your heart hurt by a friend or co-worker and held some of those feelings in your heart for a season and it most likely chan...
HCP Ep. 44 - Post-Easter Ego Check 06.04.2021 27:25
On this episode of HCP Drew and Larry talk about the Post Easter realities pastors face. After months of preparation as a staff team, working towards goals on the property, handouts, website tweaks, children’s ministry and everything in between, the big day finally comes. The following day, can be a day that pastors struggle with depression or over critique of their efforts as a team or even just...
HCP Ep. 43 - (Guest Missionary to Beirut - Charles Costa) 30.03.2021 32:47
On today’s Podcast Larry and Drew welcome Missionary and Pastor Charles Costa to the podcast. Charles serves with his family in Beirut, Lebanon. The discussion starts off with Costa talking about not fearing death in the middle East. He said “God has appointed for a man to die once, I’m going to die anyway, I might as well make it count - I want to say to the Lord, I gave my everything for you in...
HCP - Ep. 42 - Foundations of a Healthy Church (Strategy) 23.03.2021 33:37
On this episode Larry and Drew discuss the forth part of the Foundations series - STRATEGY. Developing Strategy for your church: · What passions do you as a church have? · What unique gifts and abilities do your people possess? · Where and how can you match those passions, gifts, and abilities with the needs of your community? · Ask leaders in key positions what your church...
HCP - Ep. 41 - "Top 5 Tools to Move your Ministry Forward in 2021" (Guest Darrell Adcock) 16.03.2021 38:51
On today’s Healthy Church Podcast, Larry and Drew welcome Darrell Adcock (Executive Pastor and Worship Director at South City Church in Little Rock). Darrell helps us to know about some of his favorite apps and programs that help assist in the work of ministry for the church. Top 5 Tools to Move your Ministry Forward in 2021 From Bill Parkinson: Dr Howard Hendrix “ You can only minister to what y...
HCP - Ep. 40 - 7 Steps Toward Your Vision (Foundations Extra - Part 5) 09.03.2021 34:45
We’ve been doing the Healthy Church Podcast for over a year! Today we celebrate that God has blessed us in our first year of the podcast and we’re thankful for the several thousand of you who have listened! Thank you! On this episode of the Healthy Church Podcast, Larry and Drew continue their conversation about VISION. This podcast gets very specific about 7 Steps Toward Your Vision. 1.A season o...
HCP - Ep. 39 -"Foundations of a Healthy Church" - Part 4 (Vision) 02.03.2021 47:11
On this episode of the Healthy Church Podcast, Larry and Drew continue in their series called Foundations of a Health Church. Today they discuss the 3rd element - Vision. Do you know the vision of your church? What is it that your church family is working towards? Believing for? Feeling led to pursue in your community? Vision is more than wanting cool lighting and a great worship team. Vision for...
HCP - Ep. 38 (Special Guest Katy McCown) 23.02.2021 33:24
Today on the podcast we have a very special guest with us. Katy McCown is a wife and mom and ministry leader of “She Laughs”. Katy is also the wife of former NFL quarterback Luke McCown. Luke spent 13 years in the NFL as a backup quarterback and has played on several teams. As Luke would be traded, their family would have to move from one season to the next, sometimes overnight. After 12 moves in...
HCP - Ep. 37 "Foundations of a Healthy Church" Part 3 (Mission) 16.02.2021 31:20
What is the Mission of the church? Do you know? Or better yet, are you doing it? On last weeks podcast we discussed the WHY of a healthy church - Core Values. This week we’re talking about the WHAT which is Mission! Many of our churches have “rehearsed” the service elements of the church and most would say they are “on mission”, but the big question is, are disciples being made? Are people being s...
HCP - Ep. 36 - "Foundations of a Healthy Church" - Part 2 (Core Values) 09.02.2021 33:41
Whether a new church plant or established church, they all need core values to help direct them to become the church God wants them to be. On this episode of HCP, Larry and Drew discuss why core values are so important to church health. Core values can give your church a common language and specific identity towards the church you believe God wants you to become. If you need some resources to hel...
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