Passetto
GTM Live
GTM Live is a new evolution of Revenue Vitals by Chris Walker, now hosted by Carolyn Dilks & Trevor Gibson, Co-Founders of Passetto — a part tech, part advisory GTM agency for high-performing B2B SaaS companies. This weekly live show is built for CEOs, CFOs & Revenue Leaders who know the current way GTM is executed & measured is broken, and are ready for something better. We cut through the noise & ditch outdated playbooks. No fluff. No vanity metrics. Just honest, modern conversations about how to track & optimize GTM for what actually matters: unit economics, efficiency & long-term growth.
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Episodes
188 - Clarifying Thoughts on ABM | Keynote Series 11.09.2021 54:01
Chris presented a keynote on the topic of ABM. He was able to clarify his thoughts through sharing his experience with ABM at previous businesses, for current clients, and internally at Refine Labs. “ABM is marketing fundamentals which were around way before the technology existed.”
187 - Marketers - You Don't Need More Budget | Demand Gen Live S2 x48 08.09.2021 1:35:18
Chris Walker and Megan Bowen brought the Demand Gen Live community back last night to discuss where marketers get their information and the harm of over-relying on technology and ditching the fundamentals. The community members came on the show live to share where they get their information about marketing strategy and tactics, as well as reputable vendors. Chris dove into why marketers don't...
186 - Marketing in the Attribution-Free Zone | Dave Gerhardt 03.09.2021 55:50
Dark Social consists of the places where B2B buyers are discovering new products where attribution is not available. Places like communities, organic social, groups, content platforms, meetups and internal comms. Why's dark social important to marketers? Because as Chris Walker says, "if you’re waiting on intent signals, you’re way too late." Dave Gerhardt, now Chief Brand Officer at...
185 - Dark Social vs. Dark Funnel | Demand Gen Live S2 x47 01.09.2021 1:05:14
Chris Walker and Megan Bowen hosted another Demand Gen Live installment last night with a heavy focus on marketing in organic channels that can't be tracked easily, if at all. Chris built off of the Dark Funnel topic and introduced Dark Social, where most of B2B buying decisions are made. He commented that "if you're waiting on intent data, you're way too late." They also ans...
184 - How to Ace Your Board Deck as a CMO | Allison Munro 29.08.2021 30:14
Allison Munro, CMO at Vena Solutions, joined Chris to talk about a topic we’ve never covered on the State of Demand Gen: how to present to the board to build credibility and trust, and what level of information you should provide. Allison shares what the recipe is for a successful board deck, as well as how to outline the work and results marketing is driving for the business as a whole, instead o...
183 - MUST LISTEN: Marketing is Pure OFFENSE | Strategy & Innovation Keynote 27.08.2021 58:49
Chris Walker presented a MUST listen keynote on marketing strategy & innovation yesterday. He talked about how marketers often are fed the wrong information which leads to poor strategy decisions, and how they can change that and position themselves to be ready for opportunities they can capitalize on. He stated that "marketing is pure offense when done correctly" and proceeded to share that m...
182 - Is the MQA the new MQL? | Demand Gen Live S2 x46 25.08.2021 1:11:24
After a week off of Demand Gen Live, Chris and Megan were back last night for the Tuesday evening installment where they covered the following topics: A big shift in B2B Search (SEO/SEM) dynamics, Is the MQA the new MQL?, Breaking down what happens when Marketing crushes their pipeline goals & sales misses quota by 50%, Word of Mouth is driving a lot of business for you that you don't...
181 - Is There A Difference Between A Strong Brand & Properly Executed Demand Gen? | B2B Made Simple 21.08.2021 42:32
This conversation was repurposed from Chris Walker's appearance as a guest on the B2B Made Simple Podcast. They got into the weeds in regards to organic social content strategy. Sam asked Chris questions about channels for new user acquisition, experimenting, metrics and the nitty gritty behind podcasting and creating content. Chris shared that the opportunity on LinkedIn organic isn't ove...
180 - Why You Shouldn't Be Sending Low Intent Leads to Sales | Dustin Deno 18.08.2021 30:48
Dustin Deno, SVP of Global Sales at Showpad, joined Chris on the podcast to address the following question: "when we stop generating leads that don't close, how are we going to keep our SDR team busy? They discussed an alternative for going outbound - intent, as well as how sales teams respond to this type of change. They also covered both the benefits and the challenges of this type of g...
179 - The Power of Strong Creative in B2B Marketing | Back to Basics with Triana Mills 15.08.2021 27:41
Triana Mills, Creative Director at Refine Labs, joined us for another Back to Basics episode, this time on the topic of The Power of Creative in B2B Marketing. Triana and Chris answered questions about the advantages of using good creative in B2B and how marketers can better work with their creative team to drive more expansive tests and engaging creative.
178 - Marketing Thrives in the Dark Funnel | LIVE from B2B Sales & Marketing Exchange 13.08.2021 30:22
We recorded Chris’s LIVE session from the B2B Sales & Marketing Exchange 2021 in Boston, MA where he talks about how the marketers that are focusing on the dark funnel are the ones who are winning. This involves giving people information they want in the places they want to consume it, on their own time, as well as a fundamentally different mindset and measurement criteria. Instead of using the da...
177 - Measuring the Impact of Your Marketing | Demand Gen Live S2 x45 11.08.2021 57:29
Chris Walker and Megan Bowen hosted another Demand Gen Live last night, breaking down the Refine Labs strategy for the community and talking about the more effective alternatives to buyer personas. Chris expanded on the dark funnel and connected that concept to splitting the funnel. He also answered questions about opportunities outside of your 9-5 in marketing, the most important questions market...
176 - Building A Brand Is About Educating, Not Selling | Live Consulting Session 08.08.2021 53:36
Chris Walker hosted another live consulting session, this time with a post-seed stage start-up that is currently following the organic playbook we have shared on the podcast. You'll get to hear about things that the founders and practitioners noticed in their own business after implementing the strategy, and how you can implement an organic content strategy yourself with little to no resources...
175 - The Catch-22 of Attribution | Tom Wentworth 06.08.2021 52:29
We hosted a Demand Gen Expert Session with Tom Wentworth, CMO at Recorded Future, to talk about the catch-22 of attribution and what marketers can and should do about it. We've all been in a place where the challenges of attribution are apparent. When you're hitting your numbers, no one cares about attribution. But when you're not, that's when others become critical of it.
174 - The Blurred Line Between Marketing & Sales | Demand Gen Live S2 x44 04.08.2021 1:14:41
Chris Walker and Megan Bowen hosted Demand Gen Live again last night and covered the following agenda: -What happens when Marketing aligns to REVENUE instead of "leads" or SQLs, -How "ABM" breaks down at execution, and -The blurring line between marketing & sales as well as how Chris distinguishes the two. They also answered questions about where SDRs should sit in an...
173 - Creating Lasting Demand for your Employer Brand | Joe Mullings 30.07.2021 54:35
Joe Mullings, Chairman & CEO of The Mullings Group Companies, joined Chris in the Refine Labs podcast studio for a discussion about what's changing in the hiring landscape and how companies should respond. Joe shared that "the market has changed more in the past 12 months than my previous 30 years in the business.” They talked about work from anywhere vs. working in the office, as an...
172 - The 5 Reasons Why B2B Advertising Fails | Demand Gen Live S2 x43 28.07.2021 1:16:42
Chris Walker and Megan Bowen hosted Demand Gen Live last night and covered the following agenda: 1 - The 5 Reasons Why B2B Advertising Fails, 2 - Building Your Paid Social Content Mix, and 3 - Why B2B Companies Need to Create Content In-House. They also answered questions live in regards to testing creative, how to decide if you have product market fit, growth marketers vs. product marketers, and...
171 - Why Optimizing For Leads Drives The Wrong Behaviors | Live Consulting Session 25.07.2021 50:49
Chris hosted another live consulting session last week with an early-stage SaaS company. He walked through their overall strategy and made recommendations throughout, touching on customer research, their media plan across various channels, organic content strategy, and why optimizing for leads drives the wrong behaviors. He broke down their current strategy and provided deep and tactical recommend...
170 - The Role of Content in Creating Demand | Back to Basics with Charlotte Babington 23.07.2021 39:13
Charlotte Babington, Director of Demand Gen at Refine Labs, hosted this episode of Back to Basics on the topic of Content. They covered the role of content in creating demand, how to measure its success, and distribution means and channels.
169 - The 3 Levels of Intent | Demand Gen Live S2 x42 21.07.2021 1:14:28
Last night Chris Walker (CEO, Refine Labs) and Megan Bowen (CCO, Refine Labs) brought the DGL community back to cover the following agenda: 1 - How to control the flow of demand, 2 - The 3 levels of intent, 3 - How to leverage communities as an acquisition channel. They also hosted a live Q&A throughout and answered questions in regards to what happens when you create too much demand, influenc...
168 - The Value of a Modern Content Strategy | Small Business Consulting 18.07.2021 38:21
Chris Walker hosted another Small Business Consulting Session a couple weeks ago where he helped a startup flesh out a modern organic content strategy that centers around a live event. He talked them through measurement and attribution, where the dark funnel comes into play, how to get a feel for if something is working or not when few to no quantitative metrics are available, and how to create a...
167 - LinkedIn Organic Isn't Dead | Demand Gen Live Keynote 16.07.2021 55:35
In response to some chatter circulating through the marketing community that LinkedIn organic is dead, Chris presented a keynote on why it in fact is very much still alive, and how marketers can still capitalize on the platform. He opened up the floor to a live Q&A and answered questions about whether it is best to distribute content via a personal or company profile, connection strategies, co...
166 - Why Optimizing for SQLs Can Drive the Wrong Behaviors | Demand Gen Live S2 x41 14.07.2021 57:27
Chris Walker and Megan Bowen hosted an hour-long installment of Demand Gen Live last night. They covered: Why optimizing for SQLs instead of MQLs, even though they're further down the funnel, is often counterproductive and causes misalignment, Manual attribution and our findings from implementing this on our site, and how this differs from multi-touch attribution, Demo conversion by source...
165 - Creating Demand Makes Capturing Demand Easier | Techie Talkie podcast 11.07.2021 42:56
This episode was created from Chris's appearance a couple months ago on the Techie Talkie podcast. He answered questions as they related to: How attribution today is broken and how to fix it, the split between capturing demand and creating demand, and why podcasting is an underrated channel for creating demand. Chris is presenting a keynote about LinkedIn organic at Demand Gen Live on 6/15, 12...
164 - Stop Optimizing For Metrics That Don't Matter | Inbound Success Podcast with Kathleen Booth 09.07.2021 50:32
This episode is a playback from Chris's appearance on Kathleen Booth's Inbound Success Podcast. Kathleen started the conversation off by asking Chris about how he created such a buzz in the marketing industry in 2 short years. Their conversation then flowed into covering topics such as using data to shift away from the lead gen mindset, tactics vs. strategies, and optimizing for brand top...
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