The Dougy Center
Grief Out Loud
Remember the last time you tried to talk about grief and suddenly everyone left the room? Grief Out Loud is opening up this often avoided conversation because grief is hard enough without having to go through it alone. We bring you a mix of personal stories, tips for supporting children, teens, and yourself, and interviews with bereavement professionals. Platitude and cliché-free, we promise! Grief Out Loud is hosted by Jana DeCristofaro and produced by The Dougy Center for Grieving Children & Families in Portland, Oregon.
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Episodes
I Think He'd Be Proud Of Me - Sonja 03.11.2023 39:37
Sonja was 15 when we recorded in the summer of 2023, but was just 10 when her father, Matt, died in September 2018 from injuries due to a car accident . Sonja, her mom, and two younger siblings lived in NYC at the time of his death. They eventually moved across the country to Portland, Oregon where they attended peer grief support groups at Dougy Center. Sonja shares what she remembers about hear...
When Your Spouse Dies Of Suicide - Alexandra Wyman 21.10.2023 43:21
Alexandra Wyman and her husband Shawn had a bit of a whirlwind life. They got married in 2018, had their son in 2019, and then in 2020 Shawn died of suicide. His death created a different type of whirlwind. The kind where Alexandra had to rebuild her life as a solo parent dealing with the intense swirl of guilt, sadness, anger, and confusion. As the shock wore off, Alexandra started to write down...
Love Isn't Finite - Grieving A Partner 13.10.2023 39:11
This was supposed to be an episode about going back to work with grief, but it's not. Emily did have to navigate going back to work after her partner Chantel was killed in a hit and run, but this conversation ended up being about love. And loss. And the magical powers of caring for a dog named Indie. It's also about bringing the love you had with a partner who died into a new relationship and what...
How To Make New Memories 28.09.2023 34:33
Katie Cosgrove experienced the death of someone close to her every year between the ages of 15 and 21. The first was her father, who died of brain encephalitis. For the next five years, Katie did what so many teens do - she didn't talk about her grief. Until she did. Now, she's the founder of Grief is Good and the author of new children's book, "I'll see you in your dreams tonight," which invite...
How To Show Up For Others 07.09.2023 41:19
"How do I help someone who is grieving?" This is the perennial question when it comes to showing up for people we care about after someone dies. Zack Wheat, a Board Certified Chaplain, knows more than most about what people who are grieving need - and don't need. Professionally, Zack knows about this from his work as a hospital chaplain for an inpatient palliative care team. He also knows about it...
Love Is Stronger - Interrupting Gun Violence 11.08.2023 50:47
Lionel Irving is the founder of Love is Stronger , an organization in Portland, OR dedicated to supporting gang-impacted families and communities in building healing, accountability, and safety. While Lionel and Love is Stronger focus on interrupting gun violence, this work is also rooted in grief. Lionel's uncle was shot and killed by the police in 1975. His cousin Donald was killed in 1999 by a...
Becoming A Cultural Kinkeeper 03.08.2023 46:31
What does it mean to be a cultural kinkeeper and how does that idea relate to grief? These are two of the questions we explore with Anika Chabra , co-founder of Root & Seed , a p latform meant to inspire people to collect and document family stories, recipes, and traditions. When Anika's mom died suddenly in 2019, she realized just how much she didn't know, not just about her mom, but also about t...
The Grief Garden - Supporting Collective Grief 14.07.2023 49:51
As more opportunities for non-traditional grief support arise, it's no surprise that many of them are happening in historically marginalized communities who have not felt relevantly supported in those settings. The Grief Garden, co-created by Julia Mall ory , a multidisiciplinar y artist , and Tiana Zabala, the garden manager at Gogglework s Center for the Art s is the perfect example of this typ...
When I Think Of Him, Love Is The Word That Comes Up - Pierce Freelon 07.07.2023 43:53
Pierce Freelon is a GRAMMY® nominated musician, author, and educator. He is also a son, a father, a husband, and an astute observer of life and grief and everything in between. Pierce was a caregiver for his father, Phil Freelon , a renowed architect who died of ALS. He's also the author of the new children's book, Daddy and Me: Side by Side, a beautiful rendering of the times Pierce and his fathe...
How Do I Keep Going Without Her? Kelly S. Thompson 23.06.2023 39:55
When Kelly S. Thompson and her older sister Meghan were children, they were close. Meghan was Kelly's protector and constant as they moved around as a military family. Things shifted when Meghan hit adolescence and started using substances. Their connection disintegrated and they spent years barely in touch. W hen Meghan stopped using , they came back together and worked to rebuild trust and rep...
We Need Queer Specific Grief Spaces - Queer Grief Club & Jamie Thrower 16.06.2023 50:33
Jamie Thrower is a Queer death doula, end-of-life educator, and grief guide in Portland, OR. She is also the founder of the Queer Grief Club which provides inclusive non-traditional grief support offerings for those grieving both death and non-death losses. J amie knows from her personal experience of grieving the deaths of her parents and her daughter, Birdie, who she and her wife lost in the sec...
It Affects All Of My Relationships 08.06.2023 42:17
Even though most of us know and accept that grief doesn't have an end point, it can still be surprising to witness how much it impacts almost every aspect of our lives, including our relationships. This was true for Daniel, who was two days away from his 8th birthday when his father died of a brain tumor. When he was a kid, grief impacted Daniel's relationship with a sense of safety and security....
I Took A Year Off To Grieve - Rebecca Feinglos & GrieveLeave 25.05.2023 51:41
What happens when you take a year away from your income generating work to focus completely on grief? This is the question Rebecca Feinglos faced at the end of 2021. Grief wasn't new to Rebecca. She was a teenager when her mother died of brain cancer. On the same day her state shut down due to the COVID pandemic, she got a call that her father had died suddenly. In the ensuing months, she ended he...
There's No End Point - Sushi Tuesdays & Charlotte Maya 16.05.2023 43:05
It's generally accepted that there's no official end point to grief, but what happens when there's also no end point to the questions about someone's death? Charlotte Maya's life changed drastically when she came home from a hike with her two young children to find two police officers and a priest at her house, waiting with news that her husband Sam had died by suicide. In those early days of gri...
It's Still Complicated 28.04.2023 42:17
"What was your dad like?" It's a simple question that's not easy to answer when you had a complicated relationship with the person who died. Claire's dad died of a stroke almost four years ago and one of the first emotions she felt was relief. Relief that she wouldn't have to worry if he would want to walk her down the aisle when she got married. Relief she wouldn't have to wonder how he'd act in...
Laurel Braitman Learns To Feel Her Feelings - What Looks Like Bravery 14.04.2023 47:01
When her father died of cancer, a few days before her 18 th birthday , Laurel Braitman started running. Running towards the academic and professional accomplishments her father pushed her to achieve and running away from the intense shame and guilt she carried about their last conversation. It wasn't until her 30's that Laurel stopped running long enough to face her greatest fear: feeling...
Death With Dignity - Dr. Peg Sandeen 31.03.2023 38:19
At the age of 27, Dr. Peg Sandeen faced an impossible request. Her husband, John, who was dying from HIV/AIDS, told Peg that he couldn't stand the pain anymore and wanted her to help him end his life. It was the early 1990's though and there was no legal avenue for Peg to help John in his wish to die with the dignity he had in life. Peg went on to get both a Master's and Ph. D. in social work....
Normalizing Grief - Grant Garry & "Meet Me Where I Am" 24.03.2023 39:22
Meet Me Where I Am , a new film by Grant Garry, explores the topic of grief through individual stories of loss, love, and hope. The film aims to normalize grief in our culture and explores how we can actively participate in helping others through grief. Grant has always been curious about grief, from his first experience when his grandmother died when he was a teenager to his most recent loss, the...
Finding The Words - Colin Campbell 17.03.2023 46:34
Colin Campbell is a lot of things - writer, husband, friend - but the role he identifies with most is being a father. So, when his two teenage children, Ruby & Hart, were killed by a drunk driver in 2019, Colin was lost and terrified. Who was he without his kids? How would he survive the intensity of grief? Soon after their deaths, well-meaning friends and family would say, "There are no words," b...
(Re)Constellating After The Death Of A Partner 06.03.2023 37:54
When Jessica Schaffer 's partner of 25 years, Patrice, died in March of 2021, she found herself untethered. In the early days of grief, Jessica went within, needing to find her orbital pattern in this new solar system without Patrice. During this time she also germinated seeds of creativity. Seeds that were planted by Patrice when she gifted Jessica an iPad, just days before she learned she was d...
Both Sides Of The Story 24.02.2023 36:09
It's rare for a story to have just one side, especially in grief. This is true for Eddie, whose father died of suicide in 2021. One side of the story is how Eddie's father was in the world - extremely successful and well-regarded. Another side of the story is how he was at home and in his relationship with her. In grief, Eddie has had to reckon with missing her dad while also being confused about...
Cultural Bereavement - Tida Beattie 17.02.2023 44:51
When Tida Beattie's Thai immigrant parents died in 2019, she went from being a long-distance caregiver to an overwhelmed & grieving daughter. In her search for support, she found what so many do, a lack of culturally specific or informed resources. This experience motivated her to change this for others by creating spaces for immigrant families to receive support before and after a death. Tida is...
Navigating Grief At Work 02.02.2023 46:37
The list of things to do when someone dies is long and burdensome. If one of the things on that list was, "return to work," then this episode is for you. If you're a manager or co-worker wondering how to best support someone when they get to that item on the list, this episode is also for you. In a world where most companies provide woefully inadequate, if any, bereavement leave, many people have...
When Every Item Is Precious - The Grief Gallery 20.01.2023 49:39
After her mother died in 2013, Charlene Lam faced the daunting prospect of dealing with all of her belongings. Making decisions about what to keep felt impossible, so Charlene turned to her skills as a gallery curator and asked herself: "If I was to do an exhibition about my mother, which 100 objects would I choose?" This experience transformed Charlene's understanding of how to interact with the...
Signs & Messages - Psychic Mediumship 06.01.2023 37:22
We wanted to release this episode at the beginning of the new year, because it hits on a topic we haven't explored much befor e – psychic mediumship. It's something that comes up in our groups at Dougy Center and the people who bring it up usually do so with a lot of trepidation and concern for how others will respond. We figured if it's coming up in our groups, many of you out there might also be...
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