The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Administrative State
Gray Matters
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Administrative State, at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School, supports research and debate on the modern administrative state, and the constitutional issues surrounding it. In this podcast, we’ll discuss some of the questions being debated around modern administration — some new questions, some timeless ones. And you can also get the audio from Gray Center events. Listen to all episodes of Gray Matters at Ricochet.com .
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Jun 30, 2026
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Disney v. Democracy 16.02.2024 58:25
Jace Lington chats with Scalia Law Professor Donald J. Kochan about Florida and Disney. They discuss his recent paper applying public choice theory to Florida’s Reedy Creek Improvement Act of 1967 and why the special treatment Disney received from the state is not a good model for state and local regulation. Notes: Disney v. Democracy? A Public Choice and Good Governance Analysis of Florida’s Reed...
Jed Shugerman's Major Questions About Emergency Powers and Standing 09.02.2024 1:02:55
Adam White and Jace Lington chat with Law Professor Jed Handelsman Shugerman about lingering issues following the Supreme Court’s decision in the Biden v. Nebraska student loan case. They discuss a recent paper Shugerman presented at a Gray Center research roundtable, “Biden v. Nebraska: The New State Standing and the (Old) Purposive Major Questions Doctrine.” Notes: Biden v. Nebraska: The New Sta...
Michael Ramsey’s Originalist Defense of the Major Questions Doctrine 02.02.2024 52:53
Adam White and Jace Lington chat with Law Professor Michael D. Ramsey about how originalists can defend the major questions doctrine as a substantive canon of interpretation. He examines post-ratification court practice and other substantive canons designed by judges to minimize the harms of judicial error when interpreting ambiguous statutes. Ramsey recently presented a paper on this subject at a...
Fixing Deference with Ronald A. Cass 26.01.2024 58:41
Adam White and Jace Lington chat with Ronald A. Cass about the future of judicial deference to agency actions. They discuss Cass’s recent papers, “Fixing Deference: Delegation, Discretion, and Deference Under Separated Powers,” published by the New York University Journal of Law & Liberty , and “Getting Deference Right,” published by National Affairs . Ron insists on the crucial distinction be...
The Future of Financial Regulation Panel 2: What Should Regulate the Financial Regulators? 19.12.2023 1:14:11
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State, the Mercatus Center, and the Journal of Law, Economics & Policy recently hosted a full-day symposium on the future of financial regulation. This episode of Gray Matters is a panel discussion featuring law professors Bridget C.E. Dooling and Kristin E. Hickman along with former OIRA Administrator Paul J. Ray and AEI Senior Fel...
The Future of Financial Regulation Panel 1: What is the Future of Financial Regulation? 16.12.2023 1:28:26
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State, the Mercatus Center, and the Journal of Law, Economics & Policy recently hosted a full-day symposium on the future of financial regulation. This episode of Gray Matters is a panel discussion featuring the Hoover Institution's John H. Cochrane and professors Kathryn Judge, Jonathan R. Macey, and Todd J. Zywicki, moderated by S...
The Future of Financial Regulation: Keynote Conversation with Jelena McWilliams 13.12.2023 33:01
This episode of Gray Matters is the first of a three-part series and came out of a recent conference we hosted about the future of financial regulation. In this episode, Adam White speaks with former FDIC Chairman Jelena McWilliams about the current state of banking regulation. They discuss presidential oversight of the FDIC, how chairman McWilliams thought about her role, and the most pressing is...
Cicero Institute 2023 Report on State Regulatory Process Reform 05.12.2023 46:34
Adam White and Jace Lington talk with Jonathan Wolfson about a new Cicero Institute report that ranks state regulatory systems based on their accountability, responsiveness, and transparency. They discuss cost-benefit analysis, regulatory sunset provisions, state-level centralized review modeled on OIRA, and venue restrictions. Notes : Matthew Nolan and Jonathan Wolfson, National Regulatory Reform...
Chevron on Trial Panel 4: The Future of Deference and Environmental Law 28.11.2023 1:05:53
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State and the George Mason Law Review recently hosted a full-day symposium on the future of Chevron Deference. This episode of Gray Matters is a panel discussion featuring Professors Caroline Cecot, Emily Hammond, and E. Donald Elliott, moderated by Senior Judge Douglas H. Ginsburg of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columb...
Chevron on Trial Panel 3: Who Interprets Statutes? 21.11.2023 1:10:53
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State and the George Mason Law Review recently hosted a full-day symposium on the future of Chevron Deference. This episode of Gray Matters is a panel discussion featuring Aditya Bamzai , Jonathan S. Masur , Eli Nachmany , Victoria F. Nourse , moderated by Judge Chad A. Readler of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. Notes:...
Chevron on Trial Keynote: Paul J. Ray on the Expertise Rationale for Chevron Deference and a Fireside Chat with Jennifer Mascott 14.11.2023 44:38
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State and the George Mason Law Review recently hosted a full-day symposium on the future of Chevron Deference. This episode of Gray Matters features a keynote address from Paul J. Ray, presenting his new paper about the expertise rationale for Chevron deference, and a fireside chat between Mr. Ray and Gray Center Co-Executive Director J...
Chevron on Trial Panel 2: Is Chevron Inevitable? What Should Replace It? 07.11.2023 1:10:24
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State and the George Mason Law Review recently hosted a full-day symposium on the future of Chevron Deference. This episode of Gray Matters features a discussion among Law Professors Lisa Schultz Bressman, John F. Duffy, and Daniel E. Walters about the Loper Bright case and whether some form of judicial deference is unavoidable in admin...
Chevron on Trial Panel 1: Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo 31.10.2023 1:25:39
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State and the George Mason Law Review recently hosted a full-day symposium on the future of Chevron Deference. This episode of Gray Matters features a discussion among Law Professors Kent Barnett, Christopher J. Walker, and Thomas W. Merril about the Loper Bright case and the future of Chevron deference, moderated by Judge Paul B. Matey...
SCOTUS Preview Part 2 with Josh Chafetz and Noah Rosenblum 18.10.2023 57:22
Adam White and Jace Lington talk with Josh Chafetz and Noah Rosenblum about some of the big administrative law cases pending before the U.S. Supreme Court. They discuss the state of the Court, where things might be headed next, and problems with conservative critiques of the Administrative State. Notes: Noah Rosenblum, What We Talk About When We Talk About the Rule of Law in the Administrative Sta...
SCOTUS Preview Part 1 with Richard Epstein and Allyson Ho 10.10.2023 1:00:33
Adam White talks with NYU Law Professor Richard Epstein and Gibson Dunn Partner Allyson Ho about the upcoming Supreme Court term. They discuss the recent oral argument in the CFPB funding case, the major questions doctrine, how the court should approach revisiting Chevron deference in the upcoming Loper Bright case, and the adjudication system in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.
"Why Congress" with Philip Wallach 29.06.2023 44:13
Jace Lington talks with AEI’s Philip Wallach about his new book, Why Congress. They discuss what makes Congress central to the American system of representative government and reasons we should look to Congress as the best place to resolve the most contentious issues of our day. Notes: Why Congress , Oxford University Press, 2023 The Revolution That Wasn’t: Conservatives Against Congress, 1981-201...
Rethinking Civil Service Management with James-Christian Blockwood 09.06.2023 45:45
Adam White and Jace Lington talk with James-Christian Blockwood about his recent Government Executive article on civil service reform. They discuss current proposals to make more civil servants removable at will as well as ways to build a nonpartisan, professional federal workforce that protects the interests of the American people. Show Notes: Let's Rethink the Management of our Civil Service , G...
"You Report to Me" with David Bernhardt 10.05.2023 51:21
Adam White and Jace Lington talk with former Secretary of the Interior David Bernhardt about his new book, You Report to Me: Accountability for the Failing Administrative State. In the book, Secretary Bernhardt offers his perspective on reforming the administrative state based on years of public service at the Department of Interior spanning multiple presidential administrations. Show Notes: You R...
Scalia's Rise 04.05.2023 45:30
Jace Lington talks with Adam White about the new book, Scalia: Rise to Greatness, 1936–1986, by James Rosen. They discuss Scalia’s early life and career, including his family, his faith, and his work in private practice and as a lawyer and teacher. Adam highly recommends the book for anyone interested in Antonin Scalia and his contributions to our understanding of the Constitution and American ins...
Gray Lecture: The Administrative State Debate—A View From the Secretary’s Office 27.04.2023 49:50
Former Secretary of Labor Eugene Scalia delivers the Second Annual C. Boyden Gray Lecture on the Administrative State. Following an introduction by Boston University School of Law Dean Emeritus Ron Cass , Secretary Scalia discusses his time working at the Department of Labor and how his experience leading a cabinet agency affected the way he thinks about debates involving the administrative state....
Gray Lecture Panel 2: Congress’s Power of the Purse in the Modern Administrative State 21.04.2023 1:08:27
Former Director of the Office of Management and Budget Mick Mulvaney and Stanford Law Professor Michael W. McConnell discuss the importance of Congress's power of the purse in constitutional government, an issue of significant importance in cases now before the Supreme Court, in a conversation with Gray Center Co-Executive Director Adam White .
Gray Lecture Panel 1: What is "The Rule of Law" in Administrative Law? 13.04.2023 1:28:37
Ronald A. Cass, Sally Katzen, and Noah J. Philips kick off the 2023 Annual Gray Lecture with a conversation about the "rule of law" in administrative law. This panel discussion builds on a forthcoming symposium featuring essays on the rule of law that will soon appear in the NYU Journal of Law & Liberty. The Gray Center and the NYU JLL cohosted an event in February on campus at NYU to discuss...
Judge Glock and the Origins of the Novice Administrative State 27.03.2023 45:13
Adam White and Jace Lington talk with Judge Glock, director of research and senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, about how progressive reformers designed independent regulatory commissions to replace the function of juries, the subject of his new article in Regulation magazine. Glock argues that the original approach to staffing regulatory commissions during the Progressive Era focused on......
NYU Rule of Law Symposium Keynote Address: Judge Neomi Rao on the Missing Congress 21.03.2023 25:22
The Honorable Neomi Rao gives keynote remarks about the tendency of courts to look at tradeoffs between the executive and judicial branches and largely ignore Congress in separation of powers cases. Her speech came out of a forthcoming symposium in the NYU Journal of Law & Liberty and took place on campus at NYU. Source
NYU Rule of Law Symposium Panel 2: The Roberts Court and the Administrative State 13.03.2023 1:14:58
Professors Gary Lawson and Sally Katzen join Adam White to talk about the Roberts Court and administrative law on a panel moderated by Judge Steven J. Menashi. The discussion came out of a forthcoming symposium in the NYU Journal of Law & Liberty and took place on campus at NYU. Source
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