The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Administrative State
Gray Matters
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Administrative State, at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School, supports research and debate on the modern administrative state, and the constitutional issues surrounding it. In this podcast, we’ll discuss some of the questions being debated around modern administration — some new questions, some timeless ones. And you can also get the audio from Gray Center events. Listen to all episodes of Gray Matters at Ricochet.com .
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What Are the Post-Chevron Courts Doing? (Notice & Comment May 2026 Conference Panel 1) 30.06.2026 1:05:22
In this first panel from the Gray Center’s May conference, moderator Christopher J. Walker (University of Michigan) speaks with Megan Brown (Wiley Rein LLP), Roman Martinez (Latham & Watkins LLP), and Maria Monaghan (U.S. Chamber Litigation Center) about what courts are doing after Chevron ’s overruling in Loper Bright . They discuss unresolved issues now playing out in lower courts, including...
Judging After Loper Bright 09.06.2026 1:04:23
In this final panel from the Gray Center’s October conference, moderator Aaron Nielsen (UT Austin) speaks with Judge Naomi Rao (D.C. Circuit) and Judge Steven Menashi (Second Circuit) about their role as judges after Loper Bright ended Chevron deference. Rao and Menashi describe their interpretive approaches—text-first, but attentive to context, structure, statutory purpose, and legal terms of a...
Antitrust Policy in a Populist Era 28.05.2026 1:03:43
The third panel discussion from the Gray Center’s Fall 2025 conference featuring: Noah Phillips, Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP Matt Stoller, American Economic Liberties Project Moderator: Senior Judge Douglas Ginsburg, D.C. Circuit
Chad Squitieri on the President's Role in Lawmaking 11.05.2026 57:38
Jace Lington and Bennett Nuss chat with Chad Squitieri about his new paper, Congress in the Mouth of a Lawyer, which focuses on the president’s role in the lawmaking process. Prof. Squittieri discusses the constitutional role of the president in lawmaking, the importance of precise definitions of Congress, and implications for judges interpreting statutes. He explores how understanding the preside...
2025 State of the Administrative State Conference Panel 2: The Federal Reserve and Presidential Power 20.04.2026 49:57
The second panel discussion from the Gray Center's Fall 2025 conference featuring: Sarah Binder , Brookings Institution Jonathan Macey , Yale Law School Aaron Nielson , University of Texas Moderator: Adam White , C. Boyden Gray Center
2025 State of the Administrative State Conference Panel 1: The State of the Administrative State 30.03.2026 59:25
The first panel discussion from the Gray Center's Fall 2025 conference featuring: James Burnham , King Street Legal, and formerly of the U.S. Department of Government Efficiency Susan Dudley , former Administrator, White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs; Founder & Senior Scholar, GW Regulatory Studies Center; Distinguished Professor of Practice, Trachtenberg School of Public...
Caroline Cecot on EPA Changes to Cost-Benefit Analysis 17.03.2026 52:29
Jace Lington and Bennett Nuss chat with Caroline Cecot about how recent changes in the EPA's analytical methods affect transparency and environmental protection. She discusses the evolution of cost-benefit analysis from a deregulatory tool to a framework for safeguarding health and the environment, and how recent administrative moves might revert it to "arbitrary and capricious" territory. The con...
What You Might not Have Already Heard About SCOTUS on Emergency Tariffs 28.02.2026 1:10:25
Jace Lington and Bennett Nuss chat with Adam White about the recent Supreme Court case, exploring the nuances of statutory interpretation, the major questions doctrine, and the implications for executive and legislative powers. The Gray Center team analyzes the court's opinions, historical context, and future legal debates. Notes: Learning Resources, Inc. v. Trump Michael D. Ramsey making an origi...
Patrick McLaughlin on PLF’s Nondelegation Project 24.02.2026 49:49
Jace Lington and Bennett Nuss chat with Patrick A. McLaughlin about The Nondelegation Project at the Pacific Legal Foundation, which analyzes compliance with the nondelegation doctrine using AI and machine learning. He highlights the significant number of regulatory restrictions in the CFR, the role of vague statutes, and the importance of judicial doctrines like the intelligible principle test. T...
Reeve Bull on Achieving Regulatory Reform in Virginia 05.02.2026 1:09:00
Jace Lington chats with Reeve Bull about his experiences running Virginia’s Office of Regulatory Management. Bull discusses Virginia's recent regulatory reform efforts, highlighting the successful streamlining of regulations and the significant savings achieved. He emphasizes the importance of transparency in the permitting process and the need to balance regulation with economic growth. Bull addr...
Ronald J. Pestritto on Government by the Unelected 20.01.2026 1:12:45
Jace Lington and Bennett Nuss chat with Hillsdale College Professor Ronald J. Pestritto about his recent article tracing the rise of the administrative state and the revolution it wrought in the federal government. Pestritto explores the evolution of the administrative state, tracing its roots back to the Progressive Era and the shift from a government based on consent to one grounded in expertise...
Jeffrey Pojanowski on the "Faces of Formalism" 07.01.2026 46:24
Jace Lington and Bennett Nuss chat with Notre Dame Law Professor Jeffery Pojanowski about his forthcoming paper, “Faces of Formalism.” The paper explores the complexities of formalism in legal interpretation, discussing its two faces: authority and method. They delve into concrete examples, such as Gorsuch's application of textualism in the Bostock case, and examine the tensions that arise between...
The Gray Center's 2025 Year in Review 18.12.2025 1:11:06
Adam White, Jace Lington, and Bennett Nuss reflect on the significant regulatory developments of 2025, focusing on under-reported stories in the administrative state. They discuss the future of the Federal Reserve, the evolving relationships between public and private entities, the impact of repealing disparate impact laws, and the diminishing role of Congress. Notes: Trump Regulatory Policy: 2025...
Eli Nachmany on the Stare Decisis Effects of Loper Bright 1 27.11.2025 58:24
Jace Lington and Bennett Nuss discuss the implications of the Loper Bright decision on administrative law with guest Eli Nachmany. Eli’s forthcoming paper, “Deference Undisturbed,” examines the effects of the Loper Bright decision on prior cases decided under the Chevron framework. They discuss the open legal questions that remain after the end of Chevron, the role of Congress in shaping admin...
Tanner Jones on How Vulcan Technologies Uses AI to Revolutionize Regulation 21.11.2025 21:56
Jace Lington chats with Vulcan Technologies CEO Tanner Jones about how his company uses AI to help agencies, lawmakers, and businesses navigate the complex world of administrative law. They discuss whether AI systems will replace the industry and government consultants who usually guide people through the layers of law, regulation, and court precedent that affect our world. Notes: Vulcan Technolo...
John Vecchione on What the Constitution Says About Presidents and Tariffs 03.11.2025 44:06
Bennett Nuss chats with New Civil Liberties Alliance Senior Litigation Counsel John Vecchione about the tariff case pending before the Supreme Court, Learning Resources, Inc. v. Trump . They discuss the main arguments about the extent of the president’s power over tariff policy and what the court might decide. Notes: Trump’s tariffs are unconstitutional—we’re suing to end them , John J. Vecchione ...
Christopher J. Walker on Congress and the Shifting Sands in Administrative Law 10.10.2025 42:32
Jace Lington chats with University of Michigan Law Professor Christopher J. Walker about how to reinvigorate Congress in light of the changing administrative law landscape. They discuss his recent article, Congress and the Shifting Sands in Administrative Law , and his ideas about how Congress can play a larger role in federal policymaking. Notes: Congress and the Shifting Sands in Administrative...
Daniel Kelly on Jarkesy and the End of Political Adjudication 05.09.2025 1:06:40
Jace Lington chats with former Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Daniel Kelly about what the Constitution says regarding who may exercise the judicial power. They discuss his new Gray Center policy brief, Jarkesy and the End of Political Adjudication, and his argument that the Supreme Court should go further and hold that the Constitution requires many trials now handled by agency adjudicators to t...
Beau Baumann on the History of Legislative Constitutionalism 24.09.2024 52:53
Adam White and Jace Lington chat with Beau J. Baumann about his historical research into the Offices of Legislative Counsel. They discuss his forthcoming paper, Resurrecting the Trinity of Legislative Constitutionalism, and how Progressive reformers at the turn of the twentieth century built institutions to arrest congressional decline. Notes: Resurrecting the Trinity of Legislative Constitutional...
Jennifer Mascott on the Appointments Clause and Special Counsel Jack Smith 16.07.2024 32:31
Jace Lington chats with Jenn Mascott about Judge Aileen Cannon's decision to dismiss the classified documents case against Donald Trump. They discuss the Appointments Clause and the broader context of the debate surrounding the special counsel investigation of the former president. Notes : Judge Aileen Cannon's decision in US v. Trump Justice Thomas's concurring opinion in Trump v. US Jenn Mascott...
A Debate on The Right—Climate Lawsuits and Federalism: What Is the Role of State Tort Law? 17.05.2024 1:08:02
This is a rebroadcast of a panel discussion from an event we co-hosted on May 15, 2024, with the Manhattan Institute and the Federalist Society. The panelists discuss whether state tort law is an appropriate tool for addressing climate change and the petition for certiorari in Sunoco LP, et al. v. City and County of Honolulu. Featured Speakers: Jonathan Adler, Case Western Reserve University Schoo...
Federal Preemption and Environmental Regulation 03.05.2024 1:26:51
This is a rebroadcast of the Gray Center's Federal Preemption and Environmental Regulation Webinar. We hosted this event on April 29, 2024, to discuss the issues involved in two pending cases where energy companies have asked the U.S. Supreme Court to review whether the Clean Air Act preempts attempts by Honolulu, Hawaii, to redress certain climate change-related alleged injuries. Featured Speake...
Paul Ray's Critique of the Expertise Rationale for Chevron Deference 08.03.2024 47:21
Adam White and Jace Lington chat with former OIRA Administrator Paul J. Ray about his new paper, “Lover, Mystic, Bureaucrat, Judge: The Communication of Expertise and the Deference Doctrines.” In the paper, Mr. Ray critiques the expertise rationale for Chevron deference, arguing that agency employees can share much of the special knowledge they use to make decisions with reviewing courts. Notes :...
Equity and the Administrative State 01.03.2024 1:29:09
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State and the Georgetown Journal of Law & Public Policy recently hosted a series of webinars ahead of a forthcoming symposium on Equity and the Administrative State. This episode of Gray Matters is a panel discussion from February 23, 2024, about affirmative action and other ways regulators pursue equity through the administrative s...
Racial Classifications and Democratic Institutions 23.02.2024 1:31:17
The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Study of the Administrative State and the Georgetown Journal of Law & Public Policy recently hosted a series of webinars ahead of a forthcoming symposium on Equity and the Administrative State. This episode of Gray Matters is a panel discussion about the use of racial classifications to make public policy and how race has affected the character of American ins...
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