Getting Through It

This episode welcomes Dr. Erika Garcia and her work with the LA Countywide testing of lead related to the 2025 fires through the USC CLEAN Project . As of the time of this posting, they are still accepting submissions (at no cost) for your property to be added to the study. For interpretation of your results and more broadly how to manage lead contamination, they produced this guide .

In this episode, Dr. Jones is joined by Dr. Michael Kleeman, Professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering at UC Davis, to discuss new research on metallic nanoparticles found after the January 2025 fires. They explore why particle size matters, how tiny particles can move through the body, and what scientists learned while studying dust from debris removal in urban burn areas. Dr. Kleeman expl...

In this episode, Dr. Jones is joined by Dr. Josh West, Professor of Earth Science and Environmental Studies at USC and one of the lead scientists for the CLEAN Project. They discuss heavy metals in soil after the January 2025 fires, with a focus on lead, how testing standards are used, and why understanding exposure is more complicated than a simple yes-or-no answer. Dr. West also explains how som...

This episode looks at the long-term health impacts from the fires with Dr. David Eisenman, Professor at David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA and Fielding UCLA School of Public Health. He's also the Director of Center for Public Health and Disasters and Co-Director of the Center for Healthy Climate Solutions . 

We welcome back Dr. Harry Allen, Environmental Scientist and on-scene coordinator for EPA Region 9, to give an update since he first joined us (Episode 6). He'll share the latest research and findings as time since the fire has passed. 

Dr. Jones reflects on the tactics those going through recovery can undertake the continue to manage the long process of recovery by incorporating scientific information into decision-making. She shares research-based approaches based on the social science around managing risk.

Joined by Caltech’s Issac Aguilar Rivera , this episode looks what was in the air, fell onto communities, and what still remains. This helps inform how the data is collected and what it means to those impacted. Episode resources: April 2025 Caltech Science Exchange Webinar USC Residential Soil Testing Purdue Community Survey Report  Purdue After a Wildfire Considerations for Testing Report

The EPA and Army Corps of Engineers removed toxic waste and ash from the burn scar in the first few months after the fires. But many people have found they still have high levels of lead in their yards. We talk with Dr. Danielle Stevenson, an environmental toxicologist, about new approaches to removing the lead that don't require digging out all of your soil.

Continuing to look at air quality and its impact, Dr. Qiao Yu of UCLA's Fielding School of Public Health joins to talk about his work with CAPLA and what it means for the safety of returning to areas impacted by the wildfire airborne contaminants.  The findings report can be found here .

Studying atmospheric chemistry at Caltech, Haroula Baliaka joins the podcast to talk about her research into air quality through her work as the lead for the PHOENIX project , which launched in January 2025. She shares what her research found in the burn areas and how it compares to the pollutants that exist in LA from non-fire sources.

What's in the air after a fire, and where those materials go as they settle, can raise questions about human and environmental health. In this episode, we are joined by Environmental Scientist and On-scene coordinator for EPA Region 9, Harry Allen. Harry shares what it means to be "safe" when understanding the impacts of smoke and ash, especially related to lead.

After a wildfire, the impact on the geography of the burnt area undergoes changes due to not only the clearing of vegetation and structures, but also the change that happen due to the extreme heat. These impacts create conditions where debris flows can be especially intense in the months and years following the fire. In this episode, geologist Dr. Michael Lamb, who created and runs the Caltech Ear...

In this episode, Dr. Jones shares insights on the California policy of “Zone Zero,” related to 5 feet of clearance around houses in high fire risk zones to protect them from future fire risk. She offers her interpretation of the science around this policy and what it means for Southern California.

In this episode, the podcast is joined by Dr. Keith Porter, a professor at the Institute for Catastrophic Loss Reduction, which is affiliated with Western University, London, Ontario. As an engineer, he shares his insight on what makes a home safe in the face of wildfire. For information on making a fire safe home from the ICLR, visit their Wildfire Resource Hub . 

In this episode, we're joined by Chief Steve Hawks , Senior Director of Wildfire for IBHS, to share what firesafe rebuilding looks like. During the conversation, he shares insights about the Wildfire Prepared Home program .

Welcome to a new season of Getting Though It: After the Fires where we'll be sharing insights on recovery and rebuilding with scientists and experts researching the best way to build resilience in the face of wildfires.

In this special guest episode of Getting Through It, Dr. Lucy Jones sits down with Emiliano Rodríguez Nuesch, a specialist in creative risk communication and the director of the risk communications agency Pacífico. In the wake of tropical storm Hilary in Los Angeles and reflecting on Emiliano’s hurricane preparedness work in the Caribbean, they discuss how to manage the risks we face as climate ch...

The devastating magnitude 7.8 earthquake in Turkey on February 6, 2023 and its aftershocks have many people wondering if the same impacts and damage could happen in Southern California. In this episode, Dr. Jones lays out how to get from good codes to good buildings. She reminds us that buildings are only as good as the building code that was in place at the time it was constructed and the degree...

In this special guest episode of Getting Through It, Dr. Lucy Jones sits down with Keith Porter, chief engineer of the Institute for Catastrophic Loss Reduction and of the original ARkStorm scenario, to discuss the impact of the atmospheric river and subsequent flooding on the entire state of California in January 2023. They think back on what they modeled in the ARkStorm scenario and what it take...

Whenever there is a big earthquake near the coast, people often worry about tsunamis and liquefaction. We know tsunamis happen when the shape of the sea floor changes and moves the water, but liquefaction is not quite as simple. In this episode, Dr Jones explains what liquefaction is, when it occurs, and how to know if you are at risk . 

Dr. Jones and John often discuss what it is that the listeners of this podcast can do to manage the risks you face. In this episode, they discuss what civic leaders can do to protect people with good policy. They review a new report released by the Dr. Jones Center with research from Dr. Keith Porter of the The Institute for Catastrophic Loss Reduction and they look back on the impact of the Shake...

Recorded during a Southern California heatwave, this episode explores the increase in the extremes of disasters due to climate change.

For the past year and a half, the Dr. Jones Center has been working on a unique project. Tempo is an international collaboration that brings together climate scientists and engineers, social scientists, and musicians to explore the ways in which music can be used to change the emotional climate about climate change. This episode goes over how this project came about, why we need to focus on evokin...

As Dr. Jones says, when you have a lot of earthquakes, you have a lot of earthquakes. This means that there are many more small earthquakes than large ones; it's a well defined distribution. Not only are there a lot of earthquakes, but scientists can tell you how many there will be by using an equation. In this episode, Dr. Jones gets nerdy and details the equation that fits this distribution to p...

One of people’s biggest fears about an earthquake is that they will be crushed by a building. While most buildings in California will not collapse, because most are single family, wood construction homes, what is of more concern is the buildings that are less prolific but have an impact in all of our lives: public buildings. In this episode, Dr. Jones examines the Field Act, its limitations, and w...