Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Gender: A Wider Lens

Society EN ↓ 353 episodes

In this podcast, now in its fourth year, therapists Stella O'Malley and Sasha Ayad take a deep dive into the psychological and cultural forces impacting the social changes around "gender." Through interviews with researchers, doctors, therapists, parents, detransitioners, and others, Sasha and Stella's podcast is a "must listen" for anyone trying to navigate the current gender landscape. With their sharp analytical minds and deep compassionate hearts, Stella and Sasha have also become known throughout many parent networks as lighthouses in the midst of some very stormy seas. Previous guests in...

Author

Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Category

Society

Podcast website

www.widerlenspod.com

Latest episode

Feb 25, 2025

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Episodes

Premium: Bonus Conversation with Wilfred Reilly 20.10.2023

In this additional conversation with Wilfred Reilly, we delve deeper into the realm of gender medicine as Wilfred raises his apprehensions about the excessive diagnosis of mental health issues and the potential adverse effects of various extreme body modifications. We go to some pretty interesting places, you definitely want to listen to this! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss...

137 - Conspiracy Theories, Hoaxes, and the Detransition Time Bomb with Wilfred Reilly 20.10.2023

Stella & Sasha welcome Wilfred Reilly to the program for an intriguing conversation touching on gender and medicalization, political affiliations and extremism, violence and discrimination, societal myths and data analysis, and the impact of the internet on niche interests and mental health. Wilfred Reilly is an Associate Professor of Political Science at Kentucky State University, a historica...

Premium: Bonus Conversation with Dr. Maggie Goldsmith 13.10.2023

We ask Maggie for advice on how to talk about these issues out in the “real world.” She shares some great advice about how to meet people where they are and plant some seeds. Dr. Maggie mentions that she shares certain episodes of this podcast with people who are looking for more information. When she says the “5 Top” she is referring to the top 5 episodes from our first two seasons (Ep 93 with We...

136 - Gender as a Communication, It's Not What You Think with Maggie Goldsmith 13.10.2023

In this episode, Maggie Goldsmith joins Sasha and Stella for a conversation about the psychodynamic approach in understanding gender identity issues, particularly in children and adolescents. Maggie shares her personal journey, shedding light on how rapid onset gender dysphoria (ROGD) can signal a need for change within the family dynamic. She puts an emphasis on the importance of delving into unc...

Premium: Bonus Conversation with Aaron Kimberly 06.10.2023

Sasha and Stella continue the conversation with Aaron Kimberly by asking Aaron “how do you talk about gender in real life?” This is always a hard question to answer but Aaron takes us in very interesting places sharing what it’s like for people in “small town rural Canada” to be confronted with this ideology, and how it makes life much more difficult and isolating for people like Aaron. This is a...

135 - Intersex, Identity, & Ideology with Aaron Kimberly 06.10.2023

Join Sasha, Stella, and Aaron Kimberly for a conversation exploring gender identity, queer theory, and intersex experiences. In this candid conversation, Aaron shares about his journey through adolescence and the challenges of growing up in a rural farming community with early onset gender dysphoria. He touches on categorization error and its impact on identity development, as well as the discover...

134 - Genspect’s “The Bigger Picture” Comes to Denver 04.10.2023

Join Stella and Sasha as they discuss the exciting lineup of speakers and topics at the upcoming conference in Denver. From brain sex to the opioid epidemic, gender ideology to detransition stories, this event promises to be intellectually stimulating, heartwarming, and inspiring. Don't miss the chance to meet these influential voices in person and engage in important conversations. Explore Genspe...

Premium: How Can I Soften My Child’s Defenses and Help Open Her Mind To Different Ideas? 29.09.2023

"I have the kind of child who will do the opposite if I ask her to do something. How do I soften her defense and so she'll open her mind to ideas different than hers? One example is I want to watch the No Way Back film in the family movie night but also worry she'll simply push back, or worse, shut herself tight on this topic." Sasha & Stella reference a few documentary's in their response: Trans...

133 - Is Trans REALLY the New Gay? 29.09.2023

Sasha and Stella discuss the current cultural impulse that suggests affirming “trans” identity is the same as affirming gay sexual orientation in young people - are these two declarations really as parallel as the social justice narrative claims them to be? Sasha and Stella emphasize the importance of not conflating the two and explore how society's response to a child's gender identity should dif...

Premium: Bonus Conversation with Peter Boghossian 22.09.2023

The beginning part of this conversation might sound a little familiar as it was included in the last part of Ep 132. Because the bonus conversation includes an analysis of the role played scenario from the full episode, we wanted to to include the role playing portion of the full episode here as well to offer context for the analysis discussion.  This is a public episode. If you would like to disc...

132 - How To Have Impossible Conversations About Gender with Peter Boghossian 22.09.2023

In this thought-provoking episode, Stella and Sasha engage in a powerful conversation with the brilliant Peter Boghossian, known for his controversial public resignation from Portland State University and his critical stance on academia. Dr. Peter Boghossian is a Founding Faculty member at the University of Austin and the director of National Progress Alliance. Peter has a teaching pedigree spanni...

Premium: Bonus Conversation with Corinna Cohn 15.09.2023

Sasha and Stella continue the conversation with Corinna Cohn talking about Corinna’s writing, political advocacy, pronouns, free speech, female spaces and lots of other things. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.widerlenspod.com

131 - Facing Futility: You Can’t Actually Change Sex, with Corinna Cohn 15.09.2023

Fellow podcaster, Corinna Cohn, joins Sasha and Stella for an incredibly deep and meaningful discussion. Demonstrating no shortage of her charming sarcastic banter, Corinna offers an endearing balance of humor and thoughtful introspection as well as informative insights based on her lived experience as a transexual, writer, and activist. The conversation covers a wide array of topics including Cor...

Premium: Bonus Content with Katie Herzog 08.09.2023

Sasha and Stella continue the conversation with Katie Herzog by asking “how do you talk about gender issues in real life?” Katie’s core advice is “read the room” but she has a lot of other insights and experiences to share, from her own life, as well! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.widerlenspod.com

130 - Katie Herzog: Unblocked & Recorded 08.09.2023

In this episode, Sasha and Stella eagerly welcome journalist Katie Herzog, who is also co-host with Jesse Singal on the popular podcast Blocked & Reported (aka BARPod). This dynamic discussion covers a wide range of topics, including Katie’s experiences and observations over the past two decades as a lesbian in the queer / LGBTQ+ community, especially pertaining to trans identities. They also...

Premium: Desisted Teen, Feeling Angry & Silenced 01.09.2023

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.widerlenspod.com

129 - Is “Gender-Affirming Care” an Oedipus Trap 01.09.2023

In this episode, Stella & Sasha explore the concept of an Oedipus Trap, inspired by a podcast with Megan McArdle (see below). Sasha and Stella apply this psychological concept to the issue of childhood transition and how so many people involved might refuse to face their own mistakes or acknowledge their own accountability to the consequences of gender-affirming care. In her opinion piece for...

Premium: How Can We Help Our Teen Become Immune to the Relentless Push From Society? 25.08.2023

Website referenced: https://www.campuspride.org/   This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.widerlenspod.com

128 - As Weird as a Chicken Crying: AAP Statement on Pediatric Gender Transition with Dr. Julia Mason 25.08.2023

“We are making strong recommendations based on weak evidence,” a statement from practicing pediatrician, Dr. Julia Mason, about the basis of gender affirming care, which is the model of care currently backed by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP). In this episode, Dr. Mason sits down with Sasha & Stella to discuss her relentless efforts towards charging the AAP to pursue a systematic revi...

Premium: My 15 Year Old Corrects My Use of Pronouns But Not Her Father’s 18.08.2023

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.widerlenspod.com

127 - Help! Gender Is a Mess at My School: For Teachers, Counselors, & Administrators 18.08.2023

Adolescence is a natural time for identity exploration. In this episode, Sasha and Stella address the challenges schools face when dealing with students questioning their gender identities. They focus on strategies for finding a balanced approach, honoring students' self-expression, preserving opportunities for further developmental progress and discovery, and respecting family dynamics. They high...

Premium: When the Gender Critical Person is Not the Parents, but an Extended Family Member (i.e. Aunt/Uncle) 11.08.2023

Check out Genspect's Brief Guidance For Friends And Family   This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.widerlenspod.com

126 - Hot Takes: Sasha & Stella Revisit Controversies from Season 3 11.08.2023

Sasha and Stella take time together to dig deeper in reflection and analysis from some of their recent episodes. They also chat a little bit about a few of their latest projects and endeavors including their upcoming book release: When Kids Say They’re Trans: A Guide for Thoughtful Parents . Visit whenkidssaytheyretrans.com to pre-order your copy of the book before Aug 25th and request an invite t...

Premium: Dinner Party Conversations with Sara Stockton 04.08.2023

Sasha and Stella continue the conversation with Sara Stockton by introducing our new series called “Dinner Party Conversations.” Sara shares how she attempts to open the door to communication on issues of gender with honesty, but also with great sensitivity. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.widerlenspod.co...

125 - From Gender Expert to Skeptical Dissenter with Sara Stockton 04.08.2023

In this episode, Sasha and Stella sit down with Sara Stockton, MA, LMFT. Sara is a licensed marriage and family therapist who initially worked with affirmative clinicians, fully embracing gender identity theory. Initially, Sara earnestly believed in her work and its potential to help transgender youth. Over time, she began to doubt the field's effectiveness, the emerging adoption of queer theory b...

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