Damien Riehl & Horace Wu
Further Comments
Join legal technology experts Damien Riehl and Horace Wu as they explore the intersection of law and technology. In each episode, they discuss the latest trends, tools, and innovations shaping the future of legal practice, from litigation tech to transactional solutions.
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May 29, 2026
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Episodes
Too Much Money Is Not Enough 29.05.2026 55:25
Send us Fan Mail Horace and Damien record an unedited and unfiltered episode, opening with Horace’s stressful overnight apartment move in New York while planning a two-month summer trip to Australia. We discuss legal tech execution versus announcements, discussing a link about Kirkland & Ellis’s reported $500 million AI commitment and whether it reflects real technology spend or largely lawye...
We Crossed the Point of No Return Long Ago 24.04.2026 51:45
Send us Fan Mail Damien Riehl and Horace Wu record a market catch-up episode covering AI hype and positioning in legal tech. They discuss in-house self-serve AI tools for business users and whether they implicate unauthorized practice of law. They examine what remains uniquely human for lawyers — trust, intuition, integrity — arguing each may erode as AI improves, while also giving examples of hum...
Only Happy When It Rains (ft Jae Um and Ed Sohn) 02.04.2026 57:53
Send us Fan Mail Damien and Horace open season three of “Further Comments” with Lumio co-founders Ed Sohn (Chief Product Officer and general counsel) and Jae Um (Chief Growth Officer and head of knowledge). They discuss why legal AI sits on multiple, overlapping hype cycles and why market views diverge by buyer segment, work type, incentives, and user experience, creating fatigue and people “talki...
The Things, They Are A-Changin 21.03.2026 53:27
Send us Fan Mail LegalWeek Wrap: GenAI Valuations, Agentic Workflows, Build vs Buy, and the Future of Legal Work Damien and Horace record an end-of-season-two LegalWeek conversation about how AI has shifted from flashy banners to an integrated reality, alongside soaring valuations for legal GenAI platforms Harvey ($11B) and Legora ($5.5B), which they contrast with the legal-content arms of Thomson...
A Moat Big Enough For A Boat 10.02.2026 47:17
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Further Comments, we discuss the latest developments in legal tech, AI, and the challenges and opportunities they present. From the impact of Claude's new legal plugin and the concept of vibe coding, to the evolving roles of lawyers and coders. We also explore the implications for access to justice and the need for reliable and useful AI tools in legal prac...
The Fast and the Curious 27.12.2025 50:25
Send us Fan Mail After a two month unplanned hiatus, in this episode, Damien and Horace wrap up 2025 discussing the latest trends in legal tech and AI. From encoding morality to vibe coding by legal professionals, we cover recent developments that we should be watching. Along the way, we tackle the transformation in law firms towards AI adoption and debate the future of legal services in the cont...
To Burst, Or Not To Burst (ft Ken Crutchfield) 03.11.2025 45:45
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of 'Further Comments', hosts Damien Riehl and Horace Wu chat with legal tech industry veteran Ken Crutchfield about navigating the future. The discussion revolves around the potential 'bubble' in legal technology and the impact of generative AI on the legal industry. The trio explores whether current trends mirror previous economic bubbles, the...
Sharp Turns at Full Speed (ft Ted Theodoropoulos) 29.09.2025 54:29
Send us Fan Mail Join hosts Damien Riehl and Horace Wu on this episode of Further Comments as they welcome special guest Ted Theodoropoulos to discuss the recently concluded ILTACON 2025. The trio delve into a variety of thought-provoking topics including the growing influence of large language models and AI on the legal industry, the prospect of non-lawyer ownership in law firms through alternat...
Gunderson: Lessons from the Edge of Tomorrow (ft Joe Green and Stephanie Goutos) 27.08.2025 44:11
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Further Comments, Damien and Horace are joined by Joe Green and Stephanie Goutos from Gunderson to discuss the integration of AI and technology in legal practice. The conversation covers Gunderson's innovative approaches, the adoption of tools like ChatGPT and Perplexity, and the challenges and opportunities in modernizing legal workflows. From humorous ane...
A Brief History of Everything DMS (ft Mark Denner) 09.08.2025 38:02
Send us Fan Mail Take a deep dive into the evolution of document management systems in law firms with hosts Damien Riehl and Horace Wu. Featuring expert insights from Mark Denner of Fireman & Co., this episode explores the history, current landscape, and future of DMS. Learn why systems like iManage and NetDocuments dominate the market, how AI could be poised to revolutionize DMS, and the uniq...
Mind in the Mirror (ft Dr Megan Ma) 22.06.2025 50:23
Send us Fan Mail In this riveting episode of 'Further Comments', hosts Damien Riehl and Horace Wu welcome Dr. Megan Ma from Stanford to delve into the intersection of AI and legal practice. They discuss Megan's work on multi-agent simulations for training young attorneys, the significance of personas in AI models, and the future of AI in legal professions. This episode offers a wea...
Legal Knowledge and the Magic Easy Button 04.06.2025 43:10
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Further Comments, hosts Damien and Horace dive into the state of knowledge management (KM) in the legal industry, discussing why traditional KM practices fall short and how artificial intelligence (AI) can revolutionize the field. Horace shares insights from interviews with KM leaders and discusses the implications of AI innovations like large language models on...
Do AIs Dream of Electric Elephants 15.05.2025 44:30
Send us Fan Mail Join hosts Damien and Horace in their deep dive into the current state and future of AI in the legal sector. They tackle three major topics: (1) the hype cycle of AI in tech, (2) the using autonomous agentsin legal practices, and (3) the feasibility of achieving Artificial General Intelligence (AGI). Whether you're a legal professional, tech enthusiast, or just curious abou...
Can you even Ikigai without AI? (ft Nick Abrahams) 01.05.2025 45:33
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Further Comments, Horace and Damien is joined by Nick Abrahams from Norton Rose Fulbright. Nick shares his unconventional career journey, from working in a big law firm in Sydney, studying at USC Film School, to becoming a Hollywood studio executive and then a technology lawyer in Australia. The discussion explores what it takes to be a successful lawyer, the un...
Enter Misters Tech Giant, Esq. 17.04.2025 43:56
Send us Fan Mail Join Damien Riehl and Horace as they kick off Season 2 with an in-depth discussion about the intersection of Big Tech and Big Law. They explore the recent news of Freshfields partnering with Google for generative AI, the potential of AI to disrupt legal services, and the impacts of large language models on the industry. They also delve into the future of law firms, the evolving r...
Everything We Didn't Learn at Legalweek 2025 31.03.2025 45:02
Send us Fan Mail In the finale episode of season 1, Damien Riehl and Horace Wu delve deep into the impact of large language models, agents, and the rapidly evolving landscape of legal tech. Recorded live from a New York City park, they discuss their experiences from Legalweek, the future of legal startups, the role of VCs, and how AI is transforming workflows. Explore themes like knowledge manage...
How I Met Legora (ft Helder Santos) 17.03.2025 27:52
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of 'Further Comments,' hosts Damien and Horace welcome Helder Santos from Bird and Bird to discuss the firm's decision to roll out the Gen AI platform, Legora. They explore the pilot process, decision-making factors, and the blend of technology with traditional law practices. Helder shares insights into the cooperation between startups and establish...
The one about selling stories (ft Ben Chiriboga) 28.02.2025 35:21
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Further Comments, hosts Damien and Horace are joined by Ben Chiriboga from Nexl to discuss how to effectively sell to lawyers in the age of artificial intelligence. They explore the dynamics of the crowded legal tech market, the role of storytelling in sales, and how Nexl’s CRM solution addresses the unique needs of law firms. The conversation delves into the co...
A Love Letter to Document Automation and Process Improvement (ft Catherine Bamford) 14.02.2025 50:09
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Further Comments, we are joined by the 'Duchess of Document Automation', Catherine Bamford. Catherine shares her journey and expertise in legal tech, particularly in document automation. We dive into the nuances of document automation, discussing the adoption cycles within law firms, the importance of continuous improvement, and the challenges and solu...
DeepSeek and the Seven Dwarf Problems for LegalTech (ft Joe Rayment) 03.02.2025 42:00
Send us Fan Mail DeepSeek has been all the rage among the tech community in January 2025. In this episode, Damien and Horace are joined by special guest Joe Rayment, CEO of Automatise, to explore the implications of DeepSeek. The discussion covers a range of topics including the geopolitical aspects, build vs buy considerations, licensing and terms of use, cost reduction, data privacy, vendor loc...
Should Auld Time Billing Be Forgot (ft Adrian Parlow) 14.01.2025 35:39
Send us Fan Mail Join Horace and Damien as they return from a break to a deep dive discussion with Adrian Parlow, founder and CEO of Point One, on the significance and future of timekeeping in law firms. They explore the persistence of the billable hour, the potential shift towards flat fees, and the role of AI in automating time entries. The conversation delves into how accurate time data can tra...
These Little Piggies Went To The LegalTech Market (ft Stephanie Wilkins) 16.12.2024 33:13
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Further Comments, we welcome legal tech expert Stephanie Wilkins to discuss the highlights and transformative trends in legal technology from 2024. We reflect on the TLTF conference in Miami, explore the adoption of AI in the legal industry, and contemplate the evolving market dynamics, including the rise of the mid-market law firms. The discussion also covers t...
A Tag Astray Keeps Adopters Away 03.12.2024 33:25
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of 'Further Comments', hosts Horace Wu and Damien Riehl engage in a lively discussion on the eve of Thanksgiving (which coincides with Horace's birthday) about increased adoption of generative AI in legal practices, tagging systems in data management, and the complexities of implementing such systems effectively. They also explore the implications of...
Fear and Leveraging Las Agents (ft Jason Barnwell) 18.11.2024 51:15
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of 'Further Comments', hosts Damien, Horace, and guest Jason delve deeply into the topic of AI agents. Jason Barnwell, a thought leader with expertise in law and engineering, discusses the transformative potential of AI in the legal industry, comparing the ways engineers and lawyers approach problem-solving. Key topics include the four types of AI agents—...
You Gotta Fight For Your Right To Standardize Language (ft Electra Japonas) 05.11.2024 42:11
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