Abhijat Saraswat
Fringe Legal Presents Bots @ Work
Bots at Work is the new season from Fringe Legal, which explores how AI is changing the way work gets done, with a focus on real-world impact over hype. It looks at how operators, builders, and leaders are using AI to reshape workflows, decision-making, and business models, especially in professional services like law. The show focuses on practical insights, emerging patterns, and honest conversations about what works, what doesn’t, and what comes next as intelligence becomes cheaper and more embedded in everyday work.
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Abhijat Saraswat
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May 15, 2026
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Episodes
Networked - how a group of women came together to write a book during Covid-19 15.11.2020 32:00
On this episode of Fringe Legal Edge – host Abhijat Saraswat speaks with six outstanding women. There are each uniquely impressive, but all have one thing in common. They met (as well as 14 others) through a Linkedin networking group at the beginning of the pandemic. This one act led to the writing of an anthology of their struggles, experiments, and triumphs. Ab speaks with Winter Wheeler, Shari...
Chatter #2 feat. Vincent Michetti 08.11.2020 30:15
Chatter is a special episode where Abhijat sits down with Vincent Michetti to discuss 3-5 varied topics. In this episode they discuss: Deloitte buys Kemp Little: Deloitte UK has bought the law firm Kemp Litte, which adds 86 lawyers (inc. 29 partners) to the legal roster for the company. We've been through this before, throughout the 1990s the Big Five accounting firms (as they were at the time)—A...
Solving the Last Mile Problem for the Utilisation of Legal Technology 04.10.2020 10:15
Ab: Hello everyone. And welcome to this experimental episode. And this episode will be using machine learning too. read out one of the articles I've written in the past. Probably will be getting a few of these in the coming months. So please do let me know what your thoughts are and excuse any mispronunciations from the ai you can find the full text of the article on fringe legal.com and as always...
Eric Laughlin on the rigidity and plasticity we can expect from technology 03.10.2020 32:53
Eric Laughlin is the CEO of Agiloft - the no-code contract and commerce lifecycle management software company. I think, as everything changed, people had to have had sort of two insights: one insight is that the world changes more rapidly than I even thought that it could. And then the second thing is, I, as an individual, as a human, was able to adapt more quickly than I thought that I might'v...
Ray Bierderman on innovation, cloud and working with in-house/outside counsel 15.09.2020 18:33
Ray Biederman is an experienced litigator with nearly two decades of experience removing obscurity from the eDiscovery process for other attorneys and corporate resources. Ray is the President and co-founder of DiscoveryMaster.co, CEO of Proteus Discovery Group, and Partner at Mattingly Burke Cohen & Biederman LLP. most people went to law school to practice law and not to practice technology,...
Adrian Camara of Athennian on fundraising during the pandemic, growth and more 11.09.2020 16:39
Adrian Camara is the CEO of Athennian. Athennian is a legal entity management software for in-house teams and law firms.
Global innovation viewpoint - initiatives & projects sprouted during the pandemic 27.08.2020 1:15:57
This is a replay from the Fringe Legal Virtual Summit held earlier this year. This panel brings together four leading knowledge managers and innovators to discuss some of the projects they have started or have seen sprouted in crisis situations. The panel will bring together a world view as we'll be joined by Thao and Priti is the US (New York and Chicago respectively), Barbara in Brazil, and Terr...
Fringe Legal Edge with Vincent Michetti 23.08.2020 31:44
Ab and Vincent sit down for the first of the monthly “chatter” segments on Fringe Legal during which they discuss the Epic vs. Apple/Google saga, California vs. Uber and Lyft, and the upcoming Microsoft Surface Duo device. You can watch the video version of the recording here: https://www.fringelegal.com/august-chatter-with-vincent-michetti/ You can Vincent Michetti on LinkedIn .
Mick Sheehey on data driven decision making 17.08.2020 41:56
Mick Sheehy joined PwC as a partner in October 2018 to build and run PwC’s Australian NewLaw practice, focussed on providing strategic consulting, technology, and outsourcing solutions to legal departments. Mick is a recognized international leader in the field of legal innovation and transformation, having won numerous international legal innovation awards and with his work the subject of a case...
Andrea Miskolczi on Innovation and Transformation 23.07.2020 32:52
Andrea is a visionary leader with a passion for combining digitalisation with human potential. She has 20+ years of experience in the legal business both as a transactional lawyer and as a leader for various business areas (marketing, business development, innovation, and legal tech). If you haven't already, be sure to subscribe to the Fringe Legal Newsletter to get 3-5 interesting ideas delivered...
Alma Asay - KM and Innovation at the Am Law 200 firms 19.07.2020 26:57
Alma is an Evangelist at Litera. Alma is a legal technology expert and trusted advisor to Litera clients, helping them to bring innovative ways of thinking and practice to life. Previously, Alma was the Chief Innovation Officer, Legal Solutions, at Integreon Discovery Solutions. Alma joined Integreon as part of its acquisition of her litigation management software business, Allegory, where she was...
Bonus: Ben White lessons from interviewing over 200 in-house counsel 13.07.2020 54:05
This is an audio version of the talk Ben gave as part of the Fringe Legal Virtual Summit 2020. You can watch the video version here: https://summit.fringelegal.com/talks/ben-white-results-of-over-200-in-house-counsel-interview/
S3E10 Mike Whelan on legal supply chain 29.06.2020 41:16
Mike Whelan, Jr. We think we understand the complexity of the supply chain, but that complexity in a weird way, feeds efficiency, cost control, and quality in a way that we just wouldn't expect. We think we're all artisans. And of course, in a big firm, [and] in law school, we're taught to be sort of artisanal. Mike has worked in logistics, solo law practice, and legal media. He teaches about...
S3E9 Dr Allan McCay on Neuroscience, Ethics and Criminal Law 22.06.2020 53:58
Dr. Allan McCay has a PhD in Law (University of Sydney), is an admitted solicitor in Scotland, Hong Kong, New South Wales, and Tasmania (Australia). He is an author of several books, and teaches at the University of Sydney Foundation Program and will again be lecturing in Criminal Law at the University of Sydney Law School in semester 2, 2020. And so, on that view, it seems like the human con...
S3E8 Chrissie Wolfe of Law and Broader 11.06.2020 39:20
Chrissie Wolfe is a solicitor in Irwin Mitchell's international personal injury team, specializing in claims arising outside of England and Wales. She also runs the YouTube channel, Law and Broader. In this episode you'll learn about: Chrissie’s interesting path to law, including homeschooling Going from bad A-levels, pivoting from studying biology to law How Chrissie saw a need for content to be...
S3E7 Katrina Gowans on managing change 04.06.2020 43:23
It's really important to spend that initial time on the vision. The 'why are we doing it?' And, the next sort of stage for me was them saying - the technology that we were adopting was really just a tool to get us on that vision. It's not the solution, because we're the solution. Like how we use it is the solution, but here's the tool that we're going to start with for us on our vision. Then ther...
S3E6 Karina Vazirova on chess, regtech and disruption 28.05.2020 49:08
In legal, to me, it will be about the challenger law firms... just have to flip a few things upside down. And, introduce a disruptive new model of doing business in this space. And that will happen in law, and you see this already, you see this with, for example, Deloitte legal, coming out. And there are a few new-law law firms, as well that are in this space and are trying different models. We...
S3.E5 Sam Moore of Burness Paull on skills for future lawyers 21.05.2020 36:57
Sam leads business transformation projects across every division of Burness Paull. In particular, Sam helps teams within the firm to identify opportunities for automation and/or augmented workflows, making sure that Burness Paull takes full advantage of innovations in legal technology in delivering our services and delighting our clients. There's an old saying that there are three kinds of work in...
Bonus: Shannon Desmarais - practicalities of returning to work 11.05.2020 16:25
when we come back to work, it's going to be really interesting how we'll be able to help support the remote worker as well as those that, want to maintain some level of tradition. Shannon is a successful outsourced solution professional with 25 years of law firm experience. Shannon has been with Canon 21 years originally serving as the Midwest Operations Manager for 10 years where she and her ser...
S3.E4 Maziar Jamnejad on the spectrum of innovation in legal practices 01.05.2020 47:28
I'm not sure that AI has changed what we do more than electricity did, and somehow they [lawyers] were able to absorb that. So actually, you know, where's the gap , we always assume they can't absorb technology, but maybe they can. Maz will also be speaking at the 2020 Fringe Legal Virtual Summit, where he will expand on many of these items. Register at www.fringelegal.com/summit if you look at t...
S3.E3 Torsten Torpe on Legal Tech Innovation 23.04.2020 39:26
In 2015, Torsten joined the M&A Corporate department of the international law firm of Bech-Bruun as a project coordinator. Not long afterward, Torsten got involved in the development of Bech-Bruun’s legal tech projects and, for the past few years, has been one of the driving forces behind the implementation of AI and document automation software across the organisation. In January 2019, Bech-B...
S3.E2 Love Legal speaks with Fringe Legal 16.04.2020 43:06
People don't love legal and, if we can help people to love the legal process, um, I think that's, that's really where it [the idea] came from. In the episode today we cover: How Love Legal got their start How making improvements to the design can help people to love the legal process What are some of the considerations when thinking about the consumer point of view, especially for B2C or B2B2C bu...
S3.E1 Legal Upheaval with Michele DeStefano 09.04.2020 51:07
The call for innovation is really a call for service transformation in disguise. What clients are really asking for is a different way of servicing and working with them, and that in itself is an innovation in terms of process. We kick off the third season of the podcast with the fantastic Michele DeStefano. The basis of this episode is exploring some of the ideas behind Michele's book - Legal Up...
S2.E10 Jan Roggen of Adhemar Law on change management and practical innovation 12.03.2020 38:02
In 2012, Jan Roggen founded Adhemar.law, a Belgian environmental and real estate boutique law firm, recognized by clients, peers and legal 500. In 2015, he started exploring new service, delivery models. While doing so, he learned that he did not have the required business skills to effectively drive and lead innovation in the firm. So he took the leap and moved to Canada with his family to study...
S2.E9 Talking Legal Transformation with Kim Lewis 27.02.2020 48:32
Kim Lewis is the Legal Transformation Manager at Gilbert + Tobin. At the end of the day, it all comes down to clients. That's what we're doing. It's delivering a service to clients so how we deliver that service. What happens to all legal advice once we give it to the client is a really interesting point. Kim is a UK qualified lawyer and consultant in the Legal Service Innovation team at G+T...
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