Sandy Smallens

Four Strings and the Truth

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"Four Strings and the Truth: The Bassists Who Changed Music" features intimate conversations with players who have changed the course of the music that came after them, and continue to do so. We'll uncover their four-string mindset - their influences, approach, artistic practice, and how they go about practicing, playing, composing songs, being in a band and living their lives. Host Sandy Smallens, an indie- and major label-recording artist and bassist of 40-plus years, shines a light on the sometimes unsung (or at least under-sung) heroes who continue to redefine the bass's role in contempora...

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Sandy Smallens

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May 7, 2026

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His Band is Better Than Your Band with Damien Sayell (Mclusky, The St. Pierre Snake Invasion) 07.05.2026

Coming to you live and direct from the posh green room of Brooklyn club Warsaw, we sit down with gentle giant/Mclusky bassist and singer Damien Sayell, who's been in the band more than a decade now and is finally feeling like a full-fledged member. Find out how hearing the band's 2002 classic, "Mclusky Do Dallas," changed his life at the tender age of 18; what it's been like participating in the g...

Feeling Minnesota Nice with Greg Norton (Hüsker Dü, Ultrabomb, Buddies) 11.08.2025

We continue to tick off the bucket list, player by player. In the wake of a trip to Minneapolis for the Caterwaul Festival, we chat with Minnesota's favorite son, Greg Norton - who filled his time in-between Hüskers tours as a chef, eventually opening an eponymous restaurant. After going 14 years without touching a bass, and surviving a health scare, Greg is back in the driver's seat: he's got his...

Certain Fate Foretold with Clint Conley (Mission of Burma, consonant) 17.07.2025

Not exactly nine lives, but the quintessentially Boston band Mission of Burma has had at least two: their initial 1979-1983 foray, which yielded such classics as "That's When I Reach For My Revolver," "Academy Fight Song" and "That's When I Escaped My Certain Fate"; and an unlikely reunion in the early 2000s, yielding some equally influential albums as well as as a definitive bio-pic, "Not a Photo...

Win a "Like New" IdiotBox Effects Blower Box Deluxe! 07.07.2025

We've launched a contest to win a "like new" (seriously, I played it once) IdiotBox Effects Blower Box Deluxe pedal. This is an amazing, bass-specific distortion pedal, with clean signal blend and a low-pass filter - it sticks out nicely in live settings. It will arrive in its original box with 3M Dual Lock strips on the back, so it's ready for your pedal board. To enter the contest, please send a...

Better Bass-ing with Nate Brenner (Tune-Yards, Naytronix) 26.06.2025

Nate Brenner has been playing music in front of people since he was four, and it shows. He and his musical/life partner Merrill Garbus have carved out a unique place in the indie-pop cosmos: funky, joyful, noisy and heartfelt. Between tours supporting Tune-Yards' just-released sixth album, "Better Dreaming," Nate spends some time with us to unspool his unique approach to the instrument, touching o...

They're Not Booing, They're Only Yelling "Lou" with Lou Barlow (Dinosaur Jr, Sebadoh, The Folk Implosion) 13.06.2025

We're kicking (Mini-)Season 2 off with one of our most-requested guests, Lou Barlow - a four string lifer (on bass, ukelele, guitar, etc.) and amiable fellow who's not afraid to lay bare his thoughts on all things Dinosaur Jr, his unique approach to making music, and his various creative endeavors, from childhood cassette experimentation to becoming a successful podcaster alongside his wife, Adell...

Coming Soon: (The Monosyllabic Mini-)Season 2 02.06.2025

We have a clutch of new shows coming very soon with names you might expect...or not.

"We are the most underrated and yet most important members of any band" with Brian Ritchie (Violent Femmes) 03.03.2025

Brian Ritchie is our first guest whose primary instrument - the one that helped make his band Violent Femmes a household name - is an acoustic bass. Today we hear how all that came to be, the band's path from busking on the streets of Milwaukee to rocking stadiums, and why their approach really hasn't changed all that much. Along the way he tells some funny stories about early gigs, opens up about...

"Cool World" by Chat Pile: The Bass-ic Review 03.03.2025

As we gear up for our next season of Four Strings and the Truth interviews, we're introducing a new, more bite-sized feature: the Bass-ic Review. This is an analysis of new and recently released albums from the bottom up - i.e., from the point of view of the bass: the playing AND the player. And to kick things off, we're focusing on the much-anticipated new album from Oklahoma City noise mavens Ch...

Living Between The Songs with Klaus Flouride (Dead Kennedys) 03.03.2025

Dead Kennedys - the scabrous, Northern Cali-based band that taught the world how to stage dive - created some of the most indelible anthems in hardcore, naming and shaming those in charge and challenging its audience to face hard truths. The band's gone through a few line-up changes in its 40+ years, but one constant has been the instrumental interplay of bassist Klaus Flouride with guitarist and...

WATT POWER with Mike Watt (Minutemen, fIREHOSE, dos, Il Sogno Del Marinaio, mssv, and a million other groups) 03.03.2025

You didn't think we were gonna get through this season without a dispatch from the man in the van with a bass in his hand, did you? Coming to us live and shirtless from his home base of San Pedro, CA, Mike opines on the 40th anniversary of post-punk magna carta "Double Nickels on the Dime," how he learned new ways to collaborate in the wake of bandmate D. Boon's untimely death, the ins and outs of...

Back on His Grind with David Wm. Sims (Jesus Lizard, Scratch Acid, unFact) 03.03.2025

He first caught our ears with the propulsive lines that drove Austin weirdos Scratch Acid; and then David Wm. Sims - and SA vocalist David Yow - decided to set it all on fire, joining forces with guitarist Duane Denison and drummer Mac McNeilly to form noise rock progenitors Jesus Lizard. Now, 26 years after their last studio album, the quartet has returned with a barn burner of a new album, "Rack...

When Inspiration Strikes with Colin Moulding (XTC, The Dukes of Stratosphear, TC&I) 03.03.2025

In South West England, in a town called Swindon, a group of disaffected youth would come together in the early 70s and create a body of songs over the next few decades whose indelible melodies and incisive lyrics would root themselves in your brain and never leave. Today's guest, Colin Moulding, shook off XTC's early affection for dissonance and composed their first breakthrough hit, "Making Plans...

Talking about Bruce Thomas (Elvis Costello & The Attractions) with Dave Derby (Gramercy Arms, The Dambuilders, Lloyd Cole) 03.03.2025

When a planned interview with Bruce Thomas fell through for…reasons, we dusted ourselves off and decided to consult with bassist/songwriter/singer Dave Derby (Gramercy Arms, The Dambuilders), no slouch on the four string himself ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFcGRQROIt0) . Dave and I volley our favorite BT performances - too many to name! - and reflect on Elvis Costello's genius/occasionally w...

Despair, Redemption, Legacy, Family and Keeping Going with Jah Wobble (Public Image Ltd, Invaders of the Heart, etc.) 03.03.2025

Generous with his time, expansive with his bass playing, and one of the funniest people I've ever spoken with, Jah Wobble sits down with a couple of his favorite basses to discuss the gestalt of his 45 plus years as a bass man and band leader. Musical instigator for the first (and best) couple of albums by John Lydon's post-Sex Pistols combo Public Image Ltd, Jah has gone on to create a massive an...

A Gentleman and a Ska-ler with Horace Panter (The Specials, General Public, The Dirt Road Band) 03.03.2025

(Do I really need to write any show notes after coming up with that title?) It's time to pick it up with Horace Panter (nickname: Sir Horace Gentleman), the man whose elastic lines launched generations of skanking acolytes. From their shambolic/iconic "Saturday Night Live" performance in 1980 all the way through waves of reunion tours that ended after the untimely death of singer Terry Hall in 202...

...And Now a Word From The Bass Master General with Karl Alvarez (Descendents, All, Massacre Guys) 03.03.2025

Grab your bonus cups and strap on your ear goggles (kinda mixing band references here) to drink of the wisdom of one Karl Alvarez, the fleet-fingered fellow who anchors and propels power pop deities Descendents (as well as their alter-ego combo, All, who are no longer active). As with many of our show's guests, you could readily identify any of Karl's bands' songs solely by hearing the isolated ba...

Fingers of Fury (Road) with Kira Roessler (Black Flag, dos, AwkWard) 03.03.2025

Providing the rhythmic glue for Black Flag's mid-80s heyday was just a starting point for bassist/songwriter/singer Kira Roessler. Now, an Oscar- and Emmy-winning dialogue editor (that's half an EGOT!) based in LA, Kira still finds time - in 30-minute increments - to lay down intricate, dueling bass lines with her sometime bandmate (and ex-husband) Mike Watt in dos, while also releasing her first...

He's The Man with Graham Maby (Joe Jackson, Marshall Crenshaw, Freedy Johnston, Natalie Merchant) 03.03.2025

Sonic architect Graham Maby joins us to discuss his 50-something year career, which began with him fulfilling Joe Jackson's vision for a bass-led pop combo, resulting in some of new wave's most memorable songs. In addition to performing with a veritable Mount Rushmore of power pop auteurs - including Marshall Crenshaw and Freedy Johnston - the UK-to-Long Island transplant regales us with tales of...

Feeding the Animal with Joe Lally (Fugazi, The Messthetics, Coriky) 03.03.2025

Beneath Joe Lally's low-key demeanor beats the heart of an omnivorous low-ender, a restless composer, performer and, most recently, teacher. In an expansive conversation, the man whose bass lines launched 10,000 bands takes us through his musical upbringing, touching on the origins and status of DC hardcore standard-bearers Fugazi, his later-in-life embrace of musical theory and his ongoing creati...

Coming Soon: Four Strings and the Truth 27.02.2024

A tiny trailer for the upcoming series "Four Strings and the Truth."

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